Mū vs. 7 Swordsmen of the Mist
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Hidden Mist is not doing shit to a sensor like Muu, all it does is weaken the vision of the opponent, but for someone like Muu, he can still sense all their chakra and detect their whereabouts
whats worse is that he can fly, and go invisible meaning that no one is even detecting him let alone landing their attacks,
muus silent killing method also trumps on the ninja swordsmen,, they cant detect him, and all of a sudden would get their heads taken off without even knowing anything
as for what Muu can offer, well jinton does exactly the trick, alll of them get turned to dust
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There's a reason why the Sharingan couldn't see through but yet could see the color Of Deidara's Chakra..Obviously due to the large body of chakra. Either way, my point is Mu would have to find each of them accurately while constantly having Chakra up around him which is why he won't be able to act that fast in all cases as well as attack quick in all cases/
Let's not forget the preparation time when it comes to Jinton that has been shown countless times and let's not also ignore the fact that once he moves, the technique goes off
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Like I said, The mist covers a huge range as shown with Kakashi's squad. Jinton being able to take out the whole thing? Don't see that happening as well as the fact that they all use sound to fight. How on earth won't they hear Mu? He's not escaping unless he goes to some ridiculous heights which easily enables them to evade his attacks or may be BFR.
Have attacks fast enough to disrupt Jinton? (bottom scan)
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Mu can even be caught by this
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or this
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so flight may not be that effective. The mere fact that they use sound alone is what even makes Mu's technique less effective because
We've already seen this happen:
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So the "Crunch" sound made would be helpful.
- Even though, They can tell if he comes visiblel:
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Notice how there are sounds made when he comes visible(The SFX).
Lastly :
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He can apparently react to 7 people attacking him at the same time. Once again, Flying doesn't mean a thing when he has to make sounds while using Jinton and even when coming visible.
He was already in the mist as well as Madara who's also a sensor but apparently looked surprised as he didn't know their whereabouts
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Not a chance as he has to be visible to use an attack that would a do thing to them..If he accidentally hits this guy
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, there's a problem since this guy would counter him straightaway and his teammates would come to assist..Meaning Mu dies.Jinton is easily countered and noticed.
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If a fodder Yamanaka clan member can sense through the mist, Muu can too. (
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)You mean the 3-4 seconds it takes to prep jinton? Yeah, doubt Suikazan Fuguki would detect Muu the instant he becomes visible and use his hair needles to kill him before Muu executes jinton. Can you show me a scan of Hidden Mist's "huge range"? Can you show me feats of Fuguki's hair needles having a long enough range to hit Muu? Zabuza wouldn't know where to aim his suiton since he can't locate Muu, and it's easily sensed and evaded even if he did - plus jinton prep is faster than the 43 hand seals needed to use water dragon. That's only two of the 7 swordsmen that even posess long range techniques, and only one of them (Suikazan Fuguki) that has a technique fast enough to interrupt jinton prep.
The simple fact that Muu can glide soundlessly through the air negates silent killing. He literally just drifts up behind each swordsman, and brains them with his sword. Everyone except Mangetsu Hozuki can be killed this way, and he gets jinton blitz (
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) or killed by long range jinton which none of the swordsmen can avoid.I'll let Kifflom take care of the rest.
Yeah he doesnt need to react to 7 people at a time when none of them would have a single clue on his whereabouts, let alone landing their attacks, so the entire premise of muu unable to counter 7 swordsmen gets moot when theyre just not attacking him
and Flight surely does mean alot, when none of them have ranged attack fast enough to land a hit on muu, so he can charge up jinton just fine and atomise them
Yet, the funny thing is that the minute the mist set up,
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. muu notices it and comes directlly to madara
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and like beans said,, if a
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, then muu most definitely canso yeah the mist is not doing shit to an adept sensor like Muu
and as for your surprised thing, it wasnt because he didnt know the gokages whereabouts, because he already got there despite the mist being set up,
he was surprised because he clearly couldnt track Lightened Ays speed,
THe only thing he has to be visible in doing, is to use chakra based attacks, so silent killing would work on just about anyone bar mangetsu
and how long do you think a jinton charge up is?
its not even long and this is getting ridiculous, as infact its quicker than all of their attacks, especaially when fired off from a distance which it will, here are some scans showing that jinton is not slow for these clowns at all
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these clowns have no chance at intercepting his jinton, when they:
1. Lack the ranged attacks to get to him
2. their attacks lack the speed to intercept it before the jinton is fired andd plows through whatever they use to attack
yeah no itts not, noticing =/= countering
one large scale jinton and they all get caught in its AOE,, so its GG
muu can also silent kill over half of the members by slitting their throat without them even realising it before they die
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Knew you'd bring this up which why I said Mu won't find them easily...with so much Chakra at once. Not to mention I don't know where you're getting this fodder sensing comparison from.
Yamanaka had to Transfer his body to Kakashi and then Sense through Kakashi as he could go closer with his sensing abilities making it easy for him to find the opponent in the top panel as well as howhttp://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/523/8/ ...the emphasis on this "As soon as" shows it's not something that requires instant sensing
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Sensors sense via Chakra...When there's already Chakra in the way, it slows down the speed in which they sense another chakra due to disruption.
3-4 seconds?...Last time I checked, Kabuto could run out of the way before the prep time and as far as I'm concerned, sound is made as I've shown. They easily evade it considering you think it's going to be a large distance
Im even imagining this guy doesn't have Samehada atm because Mu dies a terrible death from the start if he does.
@Bold Go back and see where I showed Mu making sounds once he activates his visibility. No argument especially when they detect via sound. Mu isn't using Jinton when I already said they detect him and attack.
.....? Able to cover everyone in the entire battlefield?
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What do you mean? It's similar to Jiraiya's Hair senbon..I don't get what exactly I even have to prove. All he has to do is aim at Mi.
I already showed you Mu makes sounds while coming visible...Zabuza and the other easily know his position. Plus the bold is completely true...THis
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is faster than Jinton prep. When you think of the fact that the number is irrelevant but the speed of the hand seals. You can hear Sasuke talking about the speed
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. Either way, refer to the other Jutsu I spoke of
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I hope you know the swordsmen can easily evade Jinton especially if you're referring to the fact that Mu would be extremely high in the sky...Otherwise, they easily attack him from a shorter range especially.
Zabuza can fool him with water clones as well who also have the ability to use the same techniques as well as Taijutsu as him. SO we have the fact that Zabuza can have clones distract Mu with powerful attacks as well as himself.
Who says though? Because he becomes totally useless when using flight
So we see Mu lightens his body to take flight..Hence he's not effective unless he uses Jinton which would mean he has to be visible, which would mean he'd have to make sounds to be visible, which would mean he gave his position away easily. Not to mention I need proof that Mu can turn his sword invisible because you're saying he'll be attacking them with that. There's not a chance of him not making any sound.
Since you're apparently giving Mu Onokoi's Jin prep, is it ok for me to give Zabuza Tobirama's Water dragon prep that didn't require 43 hand seals...It's only normal that way lol. Plus there's the fact that in that scan with Sasuke, Onoki already had his hands together
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If Mu tries to attack someone that can liquefy, he dies badly..A terrible one since Mangatsu counters straightaway or at least holds him for his other teammates.
Like I said to Kifflom,
Mu making a statement during the prep time which makes things worse when talk about prep time..You can even see it took time as it wasn't fired after the statement in the next panel which was the middle
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Which in the end only speaks about the fact that it's not as fast when Obito teleports in and out of it to save Sasuke despite taking at least sometime to warp both himself and Sasuke together. When Kabuto runs away even while Jinton was prepared. Rushed panel feats won't really cut it
He uses sound when coming visible and when attacking/moving..There's no way he won't be caught. Why won't they attack him..Mu has to lighten to fly as well as make some sound which means he gets killed.
Water Dragon disagrees as well as this
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as well as this too in the bottom panel
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Unless you guys think he'll be flying so damn high which is BFR since he can't engage them.What is this supposed to show? Because everyone noticed. The mist contains chakra so a sensor would know.
Read my reply to beans..It slows down sensing.
If he moves on foot, he's easily noticed as I've shown before..If he takes flight, he's lightened meaning his attacks are useless. If he appears, he makes noise. What silent killing feat does Mu even have Lol..Please show me?
Water Dragon>>Jinton in terms of speed...Hair Senbon>> Jinton in terms of speed and the other Jutsu's I've shown. We've seen actual facts of Jinton taking a while
First scan shows Mu making a statement during the prep time which makes things worse when talk about prep time..You can even see it took time as it wasn't fired after the statement in the next panel which was the middle
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Which in the end only speaks about the fact that it's not as fast when Obito teleports in and out of it to save Sasuke despite taking at least sometime to warp both himself and Sasuke together. When Kabuto runs away even while Jinton was prepared. Rush paneled feats won't really assist its speed.
They easily disrupt it..Zabuza has cloners that can apparently use the same techniques was him..That means Mu would constantly get disrupted and in the end, he may get hit.
Like I said, Mu can't make his sword invisible till I see him do it..That's the ability to transfer it unto something else and I'm not assuming he can till he does. I already countered you remaining points.
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It was Ensui's sensing abilities. Kakashi said "your sensing abilities." What proof is there at all to support the bold?
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Onoki said "you won't get away" asserting that he was sure he was about to land his technique and that Kabuto would not get away. Sure, they can hear the source of the jinton as its being prepped but do they know where the jinton is going to land? Nope, whereas Muu can track their location through the mist and aim his jinton accordingly (he can direct his jinton before or after it explodes). Or he uses wide-scale jinton to kill several of them, and a few jintons later plus some guerrilla tactics Muu finishes the others off. (yes it's obviously longer than 4 seconds though).
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How did you reach this conclusion?
That only helps them find the source of the jinton and none of them have ranged techniques to counterattack quickly before Mu executes his jinton.
Different battlefields have different sizes and since almost all the shinobi in the battlefield were engaged in close range fighting it makes sense that it doesn't occupy that much of a space because they weren't increasing distance to use ranged techs. Muu can wipe out large swaths of the battlefield at a time (
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) and very quickly.If it is indeed the same technique Jiraiya uses then it might actually be a good counter since Jiraiya said that it was his fastest attack with the widest range. However
-nothing is stopping Mu from going invisible and killing with his sword (assuming he doesn't have Samehada)
-Mu can go behind a rock, tree, or any other source of cover and prep his jinton from behind there since hair needles have little to no destructive power
-Mu can still
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the needles if necessary seeing how Animal Path weaved hand signs in that time interval.-If Mu can make rock clones he can form a clone in front him as a shield from hair needles while he preps jinton from behind it
-Once Fuguki is out of the picture, everyone dies since no one can evade jinton if they don't know where Mu will target.
Sure, maybe Zabuza can use suiton but at the worst case Mu would just cancel the jinton and dodge which requires effort whereas Zabuza uses one of his stronger suitons which depletes him of chakra. Zabuza wouldn't even be able to create one as fast as the one on panel since Kakashi predicted the jutsu and executed his technique before Zabuza could.
Swordsmen don't know where the jinton is going to land through the mist so they can't dodge. If they remove the mist Muu can still move his jinton beam after it explodes and move it very quickly as well. Don't see how it's getting evaded.
Water clones are fodder. Sasuke blitzed like 8 of them and they only have 10% of Zabuza's power, they are not using "powerful attacks". Muu goes invisible and stabs them all. He won't be tricked into using jinton on a clone because if he senses multiple Zabuzas on the battlefield he knows some are clones and he kills them with sword attacks.
Lol making yourself light =/= making yourself useless. It takes little work to push a blade into opponents who are not particularly vulnerable. Muu already has tried to invisibly attack Onoki before (
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) which he would not have done if the attack had no purpose. Regardless, Muu can just make himself heavy at the moment of attack (
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) for effective beheading. The most they will hear is the sound of the blade coming at them but at that close a range they can't react or evade.I mean if Taiseki can make his kunai go invisible...pretty sure Muu can make his sword go invisible. (
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). He can make his clothes go invisible after all.Yes I suppose that's reasonable to assume but we're talking about Zabuza here not Tobirama? Absolutely no reason Muu's jinton prep would be slower than Onoki's when the two of them clashed jintons multiple times and matched each other's speed. @Bold, true.
Having fought the Gengetsu, Mu has intel on the hydrification technique and is on guard. He won't be going invisible and stabbing anyone but Fuguki and Zabuza since they're the only ones with attacks that can potentially disrupt jinton.
And what does that prove? The action lines coming in from the border indicate that it was a sudden action where not much time passed in the panel.
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Obito didn't necessarily warp in, warp sasuke out, then warp himself out. You probably won't like my theory on what happened but i've held this view for a while: Obito could have drifted upwards through the floor and touched Sasuke with his hand and made him intangible by touching him (
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), then while the jinton was exploded Obito pulled him under the floor and warped him to kamui. Inb4 Karin didn't sense Obito's chakra, she had other things on her mind and was desperately focusing only on Sasuke's chakra. Obito could have done this very quickly so it's plausible she didn't notice, like how Kabuto didn't sense Itachi's crow clone (
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). Kabuto ran away but how do you interpret that as proof Kabuto could have evaded especially when you see Onoki's statement? Rushed panel feats, really? Jinton execution has never been slow in the manga.(looks like you have to reply to a lot of people. Sorry, i know what it feels like to get gang banged in threads...)
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And since when did these ninja swordsmen have some sort of sensing or hearing that enables them to react to Muu and even attack him precisely?
and the only thing he needs to come visible in doing is jinton here, which is used from a distance meaning that none of their attacks are even landing,
not seeing how muu cant surprise jinton either,
With what?
any of the attacks they attempt to pull are either failing due to them not being able to pinpoint him,
or not seeing how they cant be evaded either, seeing how Muus sensing and reflexes allow him to comfortably to do that
he can still evade all their attacks, especially when he was able to
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, so their attacks are piss poor infront of his sensiing and reflexes alone --water dragon?, something which even part 1 sasuke was able to get out of, Muu senses and evades it with ease, thats if it even gets to hiim
--explosion blade?, its AOE is bare minimal so its not getting to him at all especially when the user itself is out of the explosions, not to mention that it attaches its paper tag explosive to whatever it touches, and as far as that is concerned its not touching muu
Uhh No,
the mist itself contains chakra yet muu was still able to distinguish madaras chakra despite being under the mist and was able to get to him just fine
Lol even a fodder sensor was able to pinpoint zabuzas chakra despite being under the mist, and allowed kakashi to track him down
so a mist is garbage infront of sensors, especially an adept one like muu
would it slow him down to an extent where he is unable to do anything at all?, No it wont
Not if hes invisible, what they'll percieve if hes invisible is nothing, the very most that they can know is that hes coming, nothing else
they are not pinpointing their attacks and no way in hell are they landing their attacks
hidden mist also blinds their own vision, where as Muu can detect chakra types of each individual and be able to distinguish one from the other, meaning that he would be the one doing the silent killing
Jinton says high
he was unable to be detected even by the SA, noothing bar contact sensing is working on him
and them not being able to see him, or detect his chakra means that he slits their throats
he doesnt need a feat when logic and hype puts his method well above these clowns
Gets evaded, and then jinton forms,
so its back to square one
jinton may take a while but none of them have the means to intercept it that well,
not when even gaaras sand was unable to prevent him from forming jinton
and gaaras sand is much faster than anything they could dish out
you are just ignoring the inevitable here,, a surprise jinton is definitely happening, especially when they would have something like the hidden mist around themselves, which only blinds their own vision
yet youre saying that iit gets intercepted by things like water dragons (which uses hand seals) and hair senbons, just because muus talking is faster than the formation of jinton? Lol come on now
the jinton was formed within a panel, and fired within the next panel, and that was quite a large jinton
and i also like how you only talk about the first one, yet completely ignore the other 3 scans i provided,
Except none of them have an S/T jutsu, or any jutsu even close to such speed
not to mention that sasuke already got inside the cube, obito was just fast enough to take him out before it atomised him
it doesnt downplay the formation speed at all, as we clearly see sasuke getting caught
once they get inside the cube, its GFG for them
Rush panelled?, had onoki been any slower he wouldve been dead under the poison pollen along with the other kages,
No they dont
And in what world are his 10% water clones landing their hit, what jutsus woould they be even using
what long range tech has zabuza even displayed, especially one sufficient enough to land here,
please this iis getting sad now
he makes his clothes invisible not seeing why his sword cant be
his invisibility is based on him manipulating the water vapor to bend the light surrounding him
so he bends the light around his sword to make it invisible as well, and this will be done so especially when its attached to him just how his clothing is
honestly you're grasping at straws regarding jinton here, and regarding muu getting attacked,
jinton is inevitable here, especially with the likes of these guys,
them forming the mist is even worse when it just blinds them much worse than it affects muu he could still detect their chakra, as he flies outside of its vicinity, and forms his large scale jinton to atomise them all in one hit,
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I have said several times that Silent killing is through the use of sound alone and there's seriously no point of arguing further when you're obviously ignoring this that I previously showed.
The mere fact that they use sound alone is what even makes Mu's technique less effective because
We've already seen this happen:
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So the "Crunch" sound made would be helpful.
- Even though, They can tell if he comes visiblel:
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Notice how there are sounds made when he comes visible(The SFX).
Like seriously though? He uses sound and I've told you several times....So Mu can somehow react to more than 1 opponent at a time now huh? He has to be on foot to touch them and he makes a sounds while moving on foot. If he flying or gliding, he's lightened making his attack useless only for him to get sucked in
Don't you love how Mu has inferior reflexes to Naruto but still Naruto got knocked around by slower opponents(V2 Jins) because Naruto was outnumbered . I've said this over and over again and the mist opponents don't need to stand alone, they can assign 2 member to each other as well as clones to cover the back in case mu tries to come from a blind spot.
Part 1 Sasuke was able to get out of what?
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You can see Sasuke wan't in the Range to begin with. Not to mention this technique caught Madara off guard
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Lol Mu senses it while being focused in 8 opponents with him preparing Jinton as well? With him having to time his attack and with more than one opponents being able to use it (Zabuza and his clones as I've shown to Beans) With Hair Senbon being there too?
Don't know what this is but I pretty much referred to this:
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No escaping Your point with the bold? If you didn't know, the Mist has a stage where it gets thicker and thicker which means more Chakra being into it
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When the mist is as thick, people can see..Plus the fact that I said Mu won't be sensing as instant as he has to locate them with Chakra all around. Not going to be easy which s my point when Zabuza's chakra is mixed in
Fodder sensor? Once again, he had to find him like I showed to beans as there was Chakra all around. The Yamanaka aren't fodders and I don't even know where you're getting this from. When Chakra is already up, it's always hard to find one's chakra mixed with it.
In some cases he'll struggle if he's visible and being attacked.
Explained this already..Anyways, I've already shown that Mu's transitioning from visible to invisible requires sound as well as the fact that he makes sound while invisible when moving. No way in hell is Mu also landing his attacks or even doing a things.
Once again, Sound...They battled KaKashi's division like that so what are we talking about?
Again, sound.....he's not slitting throats and he can't make his weapons invisible.
Funny as hell:
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What hype? What logic? Stop with this. All the swordsmen are experts with this style. Mu's silent killing hype? Taking on this many plus clones and Chojuro who's a Kage now?
Yeah? Well sorry I've already proved this wrong.
@bold What sand? What are you talking about? Did Gaara even try to stop him? Moot point. Are you saying Jinton is faster than Gaara's sad because your point is irrelevant.
..... I don't know hat to say but I've addressed this numerous times.
Yet you're the ignorant one here when I've shown Jinton speed, When the Hand signs were done in seconds as Sasuke said, when I've shown Zabuza has other water technique, When I've shown his clones can se the same attacks, when I've shown He has to come visible which requires sound, When Shinobi's have ninja tools that can be thrown at him to disrupt it by him moving. When he can't react to over 7 people at a time.
Not to mention, if you want to give this so called Onok'i's instant Jinton's prep feat to Mu, I have every right to give Zazbuza Tobirama's and Mei's Water dragon feat which is instant and faster.
Lol and you're talking about ignorance? When I already showed a statement was made and it wasn't fired in the middle panel till the one below?
Because they had no relevance and I've shown several feats when Onoki had the chance to execute Jinton..Matter of fact read my argument with Beans where I dish it all out.
I already showed Onoki having his hands together here
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Except Obito warped in, absorbed Sasuke and himself which is a while and then warped out.
Rushed Panel feat was the fact that we saw it coming up straight away in the next page...Don't know how exactly that means its prep is instant when we've seen numerous times that it nowhere near that level of speed in reality terms. Madara was distracted by Tsunade but could still turn back and notice it due to the "Shoom" sound in the bottom panel and yet still absorb it
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Read some of my arguments with beans where I talk about Jinton.
Replied to with beans..If you're asking the bold, then I've already replied
Please stop with this clothes arguments...I addressed it with beans so reply to that because it's not a point.
Lol all you're using is "The likes" when you have very very little knowledge on them. It took an 8 Gate user to battle the swordsmen of the mist together. Now they have a Kage on their side.
I'm not grasping at straws, you just don't know what you're saying or either choose to ignore the main points.
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Oh btw Mangatsu can easily take Chojuro's weapon since he's a proficient user
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and he can then do this upon hearing Mu's sound
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An extension which makes things horrible.
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