Mū faces the gauntlet

[Beans2]

All the guy has ever shown is Jinton, invisibility, and the ability to split himself. It's really not that hard to counter.

Sir you are greatly underestimating Lord Muu, he is haxxed beyond belief. I will counter when I get on a computer

 

[Apêx1]

1. Sakura and Tsunade self explanatory
2. War Arc Kakashi Assuming he has no long range MS
3. Orochimaru Gets his snakes atomised, and soon enough himself.
4. Deidara and Sasori Can't sense/see him. Killed via Jinton.
5. Danzo and Hiruzen Baku eats him for brunch.
6. War Arc Gaara Jinton ploughs through him.
7. Kisame Kisame too much for this nigguh.
8. Itachi Amaterasu snipe.
9. Killer Bee v1/v2 Bee too fast
10. MS Obito rape is rape

Wins bolded, loses to underlined.

 

[KidGamer65]

How does Mu even pass one?

He can only aim his Jinton at one of them, and Tsunade and Sakura can both jump extremely high. So while Mu is charging up his Jinton at either Tsunade or Sakura, the other leaps towards him, forcing Mu to avoid them, which

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out his Jinton charge up. Even though it should easily be avoided, Tsunade/Sakura can take this oportunity to blast him with a explosive kunai tag. Splitting up and going invisible gets hard countered as well. For one, Tsunade and Sakura can both activate byakugou and protect their

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, which should eliminate the possibility of getting their heads sliced off. Second, Tsunade can

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, so he gets haymakered onced he approaches her.

I want to see someone counter this.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Also if Muu is flying around when Sakura punches the ground, he can randomly get caught by the shockwaves, even when he is invisible.

 

[Selan]

He would definitely lose against Kakashi (Kamui GG is definitely faster than becoming invisible, also Sharingan can see him, Kamui GG is faster than Jinton, Kakashi is too smart, versatile and fast) and against Obito (can't hit him due to Kamui phasing, Sharingan can see him, Obito can easily teleport behind him and then touch-warp GG, also Izanagi). He probably loses against Itachi (Sharingan can see him, Totsuka can surprise him and there is Amaterasu + genjutsu too). He could lose or win against Kisame, against Danzo + Hiruzen, against Killer Bee, against Deidara + Sasori. He stomps the other match-ups.

 

[Draphsin]

1. Sakura and Tsunade

I fail to see their counter to invisibility, muu mid diff.

2. War Arc Kakashi

I think with full intel & his war arc feats kakashi may be able to snag a win, it could go either way honestly but I think I'd give to kakashi more times than not.

3. Orochimaru

Same as sakura/tsunade, mid diff.

4. Deidara and Sasori

With full intel hiruko will be tough to crack if sasori doesn't leave it. But if muu gets rid of deidara quickly enough then a jinton would end him anyways. High diff for muu.

5. Danzo and Hiruzen

Baku is a hard counter to muu's invisibility + flight, he'll have to jinton to stop it & danzo/hiruzen can strike during that time, duo wins mid-high diff.

6. War Arc Gaara

Muu has better flight & gaara's sand defense crumbles to jinton, muu low diff.

7. Kisame

I fail to see kisame's counter to jinton if invisibility + flight is used to cut off his hand & remove samehada. But if kisame fuses then he may be immune to jinton? This is a debatable match, but if GSB can absorb jinton then kisame has the edge. Think I'd give it to muu more times though.

8. Itachi

Clones can counter invisibility, yata counters jinton, & if muu hits a clone then itachi can hit in that general area with a small prepped ama. I will admit muu has his chances because if he hits the real itachi instead of a clone then it could end in his win or a draw. I still give it to itachi high diff.

9. Killer Bee

Whirlwind is a hard counter to invisibility & flight, if the knock back doesn't get him to release his invisibility then firing off a few follow up tbbs will eventually get him. Bee mid-high diff.

10. MS Obito

Intangibility counters everything he has to offer, & izanagi allows obito to tank a stab & warp him away. Not to mention he could prossibly tank the stab without the need to waste an eye since he barely survived a raikiri through the heart. Obito low diff.

 

[ARGUS]

Clones plus Kamui snipe means Mu gets negged... So he stops @ 2...

@KIFFLOM- How does he beat Kakashi?

Kakashi has nothing to prevent himself from getting his head sniped off by Muu, so he dies ffrom that
kamui is also moot on a target that isnt even visible, nor does kakashi have any way of locating Muu, and with muu having full intel on his opponents, just means that he never even attempt to come visible so, Kamui GG is not happening

 

[Beans2]

How does Mu even pass one?

He can only aim his Jinton at one of them, and Tsunade and Sakura can both jump extremely high. So while Mu is charging up his Jinton at either Tsunade or Sakura, the other leaps towards him, forcing Mu to avoid them, which

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out his Jinton charge up. Even though it should easily be avoided, Tsunade/Sakura can take this oportunity to blast him with a explosive kunai tag. Splitting up and going invisible gets hard countered as well. For one, Tsunade and Sakura can both activate byakugou and protect their

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, which should eliminate the possibility of getting their heads sliced off. Second, Tsunade can

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, so he gets haymakered onced he approaches her.

Firstly, the flaw in your strategy is that right after Tsunade or Sakura jump into the air and disrupt the jinton, Mu can go invisible and fly after them back on their descent to the ground and brain them with a sword through the head while they are in midair, unable to dodge. An explosive kunai tag is doing nothing to Mu considering Nagato tanked dozens of them which were directly stuck to his legs and Sakura tanked one at point-blank range (also keep in mind Mu's reflexes allow him to see the kunai coming and escape the blast radius altogether.)

And yep, Tsunade and Sakura have no counter to Mu going invisible and splitting up then stabbing them with a sword. protecting their neck area doesn't prevent them from getting impaled by a sword through the brain.. Lol, Tsunade being able to hear a heartbeat doesn't necessarily mean she will be able to locate Mu's exact position and strike him with a punch which would be easily dodged anyway. She has to be completely focused on listening, and for all we know, she can confuse it with the sound of her own heartbeat, or Sakura's heartbeat. Then you have to factor in the sounds of the battle, like rocks crumbling, slugs splitting, Sakura talking, If Sakura and Tsunade aren't within close proximity of each other, then Mu can just go after Sakura first.

Mu can also trick his opponents - have Mu split bodies and go invisible, then make one body go visible and act as a decoy - while their concentration is momentarily focused on that body, the other Mu (invisible one) can stab either one through the head and kill them. (Or Mu can purposely let one of his bodies be killed while leaving the other one invisible - and once the girls drop their guard thinking they've won, they get surprise decapitated.) Mu can further confuse them by visibly splitting bodies and making one go invisible - and since intel is full they know Mu can't use jinton in a divided state. Well, the bodies can merge back together (the invisible one merges with the visible one) and then Mu catches them off guard with a jinton they expected him not capable of using.

What's more Mu can go invisible and hide behind any of these

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, where he can load up the jinton and atomize either Tsunade or Sakura from behind the rock. Because he is an acute sensor, he can still locate them and track their movements from behind the shelter of the rock, and therefore know where to aim his jinton. Inb4 they summon katsuyu who splits up and keeps a lookout from all directions then notifies the girls when Mu becomes visible; this is a good method in theory, but in actuality it takes a little bit of time for them to summon the slug, instruct her to split, have her crawl in every direction, then notify the girls when Mu becomes visible, then Sakura and Tsunade have to react. Mu can hide behind a rock and fire off a jinton at Tsunade in that time, and if either Byakogou user is killed then the other stands no chance.

 

[Beans2]

He doesn't have a chance at beating Kakashi. His tracking feats, clone feint prowess, and Kamui snipe are too much for Mu.

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so Kakashi won't be able to sniff him out. Fighting based on sound isn't possible since Mu glides silently through the air, and fighting him based solely off moving air currents is a very awkward way of fighting, a testament to this being how Kakashi lost an eye last time he tried that

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. What exactly are clones going to do? Mu goes invisible and stabs the clone which vanishes in a puff of smoke, simple as that. Kamui snipe is hard countered by invisibility.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Mind showing a scan or something that defends Mu being able to shield his scent? I just reread that fight, and unless i skimmed over it, I didn't see anything like that. The DB description for his ability was also vague and not so helpful, with the limited translation we have.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Firstly, the flaw in your strategy is that right after Tsunade or Sakura jump into the air and disrupt the jinton, Mu can go invisible and fly after them back on their descent to the ground and brain them with a sword through the head while they are in midair, unable to dodge. An explosive kunai tag is doing nothing to Mu considering Nagato tanked dozens of them which were directly stuck to his legs and Sakura tanked one at point-blank range (also keep in mind Mu's reflexes allow him to see the kunai coming and escape the blast radius altogether.)

And yep, Tsunade and Sakura have no counter to Mu going invisible and splitting up then stabbing them with a sword. protecting their neck area doesn't prevent them from getting impaled by a sword through the brain.. Lol, Tsunade being able to hear a heartbeat doesn't necessarily mean she will be able to locate Mu's exact position and strike him with a punch which would be easily dodged anyway. She has to be completely focused on listening, and for all we know, she can confuse it with the sound of her own heartbeat, or Sakura's heartbeat. Then you have to factor in the sounds of the battle, like rocks crumbling, slugs splitting, Sakura talking, If Sakura and Tsunade aren't within close proximity of each other, then Mu can just go after Sakura first.

Mu can also trick his opponents - have Mu split bodies and go invisible, then make one body go visible and act as a decoy - while their concentration is momentarily focused on that body, the other Mu (invisible one) can stab either one through the head and kill them. (Or Mu can purposely let one of his bodies be killed while leaving the other one invisible - and once the girls drop their guard thinking they've won, they get surprise decapitated.) Mu can further confuse them by visibly splitting bodies and making one go invisible - and since intel is full they know Mu can't use jinton in a divided state. Well, the bodies can merge back together (the invisible one merges with the visible one) and then Mu catches them off guard with a jinton they expected him not capable of using.

What's more Mu can go invisible and hide behind any of these

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, where he can load up the jinton and atomize either Tsunade or Sakura from behind the rock. Because he is an acute sensor, he can still locate them and track their movements from behind the shelter of the rock, and therefore know where to aim his jinton. Inb4 they summon katsuyu who splits up and keeps a lookout from all directions then notifies the girls when Mu becomes visible; this is a good method in theory, but in actuality it takes a little bit of time for them to summon the slug, instruct her to split, have her crawl in every direction, then notify the girls when Mu becomes visible, then Sakura and Tsunade have to react. Mu can hide behind a rock and fire off a jinton at Tsunade in that time, and if either Byakogou user is killed then the other stands no chance.

I mean, it's not that hard to protect your entire head and neck area. But brain damage confined to such a small space from a sword stab, doesn't always kill and certainly doesn't immediately kill the target. It may just cause brain damage, which is possible to recover from over time, or may leave someone brain dead, which you can't recover from. Tsunade has sustained what is considered to be life ending injuries, yet remained fully functional and was able to recover from it granted by Byakugou. Obviously, a head injury is totally different, so I'll leave that alone. Anyways, I'll concede on Tsunade and Sakura winning. Though, it still appears to be a high diff fight.

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so Kakashi won't be able to sniff him out. Fighting based on sound isn't possible since Mu glides silently through the air, and fighting him based solely off moving air currents is a very awkward way of fighting, a testament to this being how Kakashi lost an eye last time he tried that

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. What exactly are clones going to do? Mu goes invisible and stabs the clone which vanishes in a puff of smoke, simple as that. Kamui snipe is hard countered by invisibility.

Kamui is a whole lot faster then Jinton, so the second Mu goes visible and tries to fire off a Jinton, Kakashi easily tracks him and Kamui snipes him. So that's out of the question, leaving Mu's invisbility and splitting his only option. Unfortunately for Mu, stabbing a raiton kage bunshin results in him getting paralyzed and then finished off with any means necessary. It's that simple.

 

[Apêx1]

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so Kakashi won't be able to sniff him out. Fighting based on sound isn't possible since Mu glides silently through the air, and fighting him based solely off moving air currents is a very awkward way of fighting, a testament to this being how Kakashi lost an eye last time he tried that

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. What exactly are clones going to do? Mu goes invisible and stabs the clone which vanishes in a puff of smoke, simple as that. Kamui snipe is hard countered by invisibility.

As I have said multiple times before, and never ever have received a counter for, Sharingan perceives Mu's invisibility. Last time Kid obito was capable of seeing someone going invisible. This time Mu is still susceptible to the Samsara eye because the DB explicitly states that it uses water in the body to allow him to go invisible. Unless you can prove he has some kind of mechanism of controlling water in his body without chakra, he is using chakra and thus the Sharingan spots the chakra being uses (hence Mu is located).

Inb4 plot hole. Mu's chakra is still present, it's just concealed. Unless he has 0 chakra in his entire body, I see no reason as to why Sharingan cannot see his chakra unless he is inexistent at that particular time, which isn't the case. One thing to note, sensing could very well simply be a refined version of feeling chakra as characters which weren't sensors have shown since the very beginning [

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], it's rather clear that powerful/large in quantity chakra can be sensed/felt by non-sensors, whereas sensors can likely do the same thing on a much more intricate level. However, removing any feeling your chakra gives away would imply that the camouflage is in fact immune to sensors, whereas a Sharingan user would still have the ability to see the chakra that is present in ever living person in NV. You can conceal Chakra from sensors, you cannot extinguish chakra from existence and bring it back.

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] VIZ of Kabuto's statement. Mu had no form or chakra. If he is saying he had no chakra, it is directly expressing the sensor context being conveyed. That means it is still there, simply hidden from the conventional chakra sensor. Karin does something similar here [

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]. Only difference is that Mu is also camouflaging/refracting light.

 

[Raykyryn]

He loses to Kakashi,Bee and Obito. Wins the rest.

 

[Penguin]

You can't hide your chakra system. It's still there. If you have a Dojutsu that allows you to see chakra, you can spot Mu. And since Mu wouldn't know that, I'm pretty sure all Sharingan, Rinnegan, and Byakugan users casually troll the mummy when he "goes invisible and chops their head off GG".

 

[Blackdeath667]

the only debatable battles are kakashi,and killer bee


he beats the rest while losing to danzo/hiruzen
and obito

 

[Beans2]

You can't hide your chakra system.

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It's still there. If you have a Dojutsu that allows you to see chakra, you can spot Mu. And since Mu wouldn't know that, I'm pretty sure all Sharingan, Rinnegan, and Byakugan users casually troll the mummy when he "goes invisible and chops their head off GG".

Nope, he couldn't be sensed by any of the Fourth Division because he extinguished his chakras. He can't be detected by chakra-sensing. He can't be detected by chakra-seeing either since there is no chakra to see. Only Rinnegan can see him (since it's canon Rinnegan can see invisible things like Konoha barrier, Jiraiya's barrier, limbo clones, invisible chamaleon, etc).

@FT and Apex - will reply later.

 

[Penguin]

Hiding your chakra = lowering your chakra levels to where they are undetectable by sensors.

Not hiding your chakra system, which dojutsu users can still see.

 

[Apêx1]

I'm guessing people love Mu way too much to perpetuate a thread which could imply the last of Mu vs said Uchiha threads.

 

[Beans2]

As I have said multiple times before, and never ever have received a counter for, Sharingan perceives Mu's invisibility.

No it does not[SUP]

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Last time Kid obito was capable of seeing someone going invisible. This time Mu is still susceptible to the Samsara eye because the DB explicitly states that it uses water in the body to allow him to go invisible. Unless you can prove he has some kind of mechanism of controlling water in his body without chakra, he is using chakra and thus the Sharingan spots the chakra being uses (hence Mu is located).

You...you are comparing Taiseki to the most powerful Tsuchikage? The null-man? The non-person? The one who was completely

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and was noted for his ability to erase chakra. The fourth databook has actually confirmed my thoughts on his ability to not be sensed.

Spoiler

"Using Water Vapor to bend light into a prism, any solid matter's and shape is changed and creates a phantom image (?....this line is extremely confusing, so I may have this wrong). The jutsu strong point is it's control over water....something I don't really follow again really confusing. "Mujin Aisai". By manipulating water particles ones presence is erased.

[

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] VIZ of Kabuto's statement. Mu had no form or chakra. If he is saying he had no chakra, it is directly expressing the sensor context being conveyed. That means it is still there, simply hidden from the conventional chakra sensor. Karin does something similar here [

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]. Only difference is that Mu is also camouflaging/refracting light.

Muu's invisibility (in terms of chakra concealing) follows the same basic principles of

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and I'll explain. When Karin hides her chakra, she cannot sense; if she molds chakra to sense, then a sensor type will sense her chakra as well. The same applies to Muu; he can't mold chakra while invisible, and therefore can't use jinton, perform sensing, split himself, or use chakra on a technique while he is invisible. Inb4 we've seen him fly when invisible; Mu and Onoki's flying technique, confirmed in the

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and the fourth databook, is actually an extension of the Lightened-weight rock technique. So after Mu lightens himself using the technique, he extinguishes his chakra, and doesn't need to be continuously molding chakra to remain light. The same thing happens with Muu's water-reflacting technique: he molds chakra and uses it at once to turn his body invisible, and it remains that way without Muu having to continuously mold chakra, until he undoes the technique. Since he is not molding chakra to maintain this technique, his chakra can remain hidden.

Inb4 plot hole. Mu's chakra is still present, it's just concealed. Unless he has 0 chakra in his entire body, I see no reason as to why Sharingan cannot see his chakra unless he is inexistent at that particular time at all, which isn't the case. One thing to note, sensing could very well simply be a refined version of feeling chakra as characters that aren't sensors have shown since the very beginning [

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][

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], it's rather clear that powerful/large in quantity chakra can be sensed/felt by non-sensors, whereas sensors can likely do the same thing on a much more intricate level. However, removing any feeling your chakra gives away would imply that the camouflage is in fact immune to sensors, whereas a Sharingan user would still have the ability to see the chakra that is present in ever living person in NV. You can conceal Chakra from sensors, you cannot extinguish chakra from existence and bring it back.

No. Muu doesn't have to use chakra to remain concealed, he only has to supress it. Sharingan sees chakra, but Mu isn't using chakra. A further testament to this is that neither Danzo nor Ao detected Karin with dojutsu at the kage summit, which could confirm the dojutsu vs chakra extinguishing debate on its own. @Underline really, how well was it doing seeing through Zabuza's mist? I hope you're exaggerating here. If a chakra concealer is specifically erasing their chakras to conceal themselves, and a sharingan user sees chakra, there is nothing to see.

 

[Beans2]

Kamui is a whole lot faster then Jinton, so the second Mu goes visible and tries to fire off a Jinton, Kakashi easily tracks him and Kamui snipes him. So that's out of the question, leaving Mu's invisbility and splitting his only option. Unfortunately for Mu, stabbing a raiton kage bunshin results in him getting paralyzed and then finished off with any means necessary. It's that simple.

Mu can employ the strategy of firing a jinton from behind the safety of a rock pillar which blocks the LoS between him and Kakashi. Although Kakashi would be able to see his chakra behind the rock with sharigan, he can't physically see him so he won't be able to warp. It's unlikely that Kakashi can locate him and dodge jinton quickly enough.

Clone feints aren't working when Muu's sensing abilities allow him to detect multiple Kakashis in the area. Having intel on raiton clones and being able to sense the real Kakashi (the real one would have higher chakra levels than the clone), Muu would know better to simply stab the clone through the head and would go after the real Kakashi, or take out the clone through other means. Fission is an effective counter to raiton paralysis if Mu does indeed somehow get paralyzed. It's far from simple, Muu can effectively counter Kakashi's arsenal and kill him.

Mind showing a scan or something that defends Mu being able to shield his scent? I just reread that fight, and unless i skimmed over it, I didn't see anything like that. The DB description for his ability was also vague and not so helpful, with the limited translation we have.

Jonin Kakashi was incapable of sniffing out Taiseki

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. This doesn't mean that Mu can necessarily extinguish his scent completely and he could still possibly be detected by ninken if Kakashi chooses to summon them.