[Theory] Luffy's most powerful Gear 4th form

[Easyfathom]

:lol I don't do kung fu, so i don't need some bruce monkey flying idiot who barely can comprehend the exertion from power is from the feet and not the position of your knuckle telling how the concept of a punch should work. Learn that already will you?

I'll do you one better, that even a simple minded individual such as yourself should understand this common concept. If the first form does as much significant damage as the second transformation on the same person, obviously the power output is exactly the same.
But for some reason you keep dodging this part of my answer because you remain stubbornly opinionated.

BounceMan is not irrefutable shown more force than SnakeMan and time and time again you failed to show such fanfic opinion.
And if you're going to use SnakeMan's first blow catching Dogtooth off guard as a feeble retort, then that just throws your whole argument about BounceMan's power since all those blows landed so effectively because he was caught off guard too:

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And Dogtooth never brushed SnakeMan's attack off, that's pure fanfic XD


:lol Dogtooth blocked those punches and yet was still sent flying:

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The same thing happened with BounceMan:

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Honestly I can say the same thing about about SnakeMan knocking Dogtooth all around:

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Third one was a barrage of hits that eventually sent Dogtooth flying again:

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And the black Mamba was dodged by Dogtooth after blocking the first ricochet punch.

And the worse part is that SnakeMan had depleted Buso haki while BounceMan started with a fresh Haki than SnakeMan did, yet he still sent him flying. Both Dogtooth and Luffy were in the same condition, so there's no excuse on that part as well.





Well read above and give this question a second try, because it's blatantly obvious that you don't know how to power gauge.

There you go again... Your discussion skills are shocking, this is all you do, once again you have just brought up more shit that isn't relevant. Why are you bringing in exertion from the feet. I've clearly pointed out that just the position of your hand can change the impact it has, not that it's the only reason why you can give a punch power.. Shall we go into each individual muscle you use too? Jesus, you're actually full on retarded and the worst fighter in the world if you can't even understand the dynamics of a punch and I'm not going to waste more time teaching you something so blatantly obvious.

Next, all you've done is resupply the same pages that I either posted or told you to look at. You're basically giving me the same evidence in less detail and completely skipping over the minor (but oh so obvious) details on each page. Just look at the way characters are drawn, Katakuri quite clearly shows that Bounceman is having more of an effect on him and if you can't see that from the pages that YOURS TRULY showed you, then my friend, just stop reading. Stop posting your shit and "fanfic" and don't impose such rubbish again.

I'm bored of you and your arguments. You can't comprehend any points that I give you or just so blatantly skip over them and then just add more nonsense in your replies that aren't of any relevance. Reread my previous post if you're still in confusion and don't come back at me with my own "evidence" because all you're doing is providing me with proof of me being right and you looking like a goon.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

There you go again... Your discussion skills are shocking, this is all you do, once again you have just brought up more shit that isn't relevant. Why are you bringing in exertion from the feet. I've clearly pointed out that just the position of your hand can change the impact it has, not that it's the only reason why you can give a punch power.. Shall we go into each individual muscle you use too? Jesus, you're actually full on retarded and the worst fighter in the world if you can't even understand the dynamics of a punch and I'm not going to waste more time teaching you something so blatantly obvious.

Exertion from your feet determines how hard you punch in real life which you brought up in the first place you annoying idiot:|
As for the bold part, it's all irrelevant considering the fact that Luffy sinking in his fist before firing is what makes the impact attacks a lot more devastating. And yet you remain a stubborn retard trying to apply real world exertion of power to a manga character that propels his punches by stretching them. How stupid can you be? You're so fucking annoying.

Next, all you've done is resupply the same pages that I either posted or told you to look at. You're basically giving me the same evidence in less detail and completely skipping over the minor (but oh so obvious) details on each page. Just look at the way characters are drawn, Katakuri quite clearly shows that Bounceman is having more of an effect on him and if you can't see that from the pages that YOURS TRULY showed you, then my friend, just stop reading. Stop posting your shit and "fanfic" and don't impose such rubbish again.

This excuse is blatantly stupid and pathetic. There is no "minor obvious details" fanfic being shown here in the manga. Dogtooth literally said that he was caught off guard and that it wouldn't work again. And if you're that retarded to not except a fact for what it is, then shut the **** up and don't reply me again.
You can't provide a single counter, period. SnakeMan showed the same output of power and their is nothing you can say to dispute that. You already conceded to on of their attacks (Python) having the same output power so their is no point in argung what's written in the manga.
I didn't even bring up the same that Cracker's Biscuit army blocked BounceMan's punches without breaking or how PowerMochi was completely dominating BounceMan in the beginning but then G3 stalemate's Dogtooth's biggest

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just by putting more aura into his attack.
You're such simple minded idiot that has no idea on the concept of haki or how the Gears work.

I'm bored of you and your arguments. You can't comprehend any points that I give you or just so blatantly skip over them and then just add more nonsense in your replies that aren't of any relevance. Reread my previous post if you're still in confusion and don't come back at me with my own "evidence" because all you're doing is providing me with proof of me being right and you looking like a goon.

I'm done with you pleb. You're reading comprehension is disgusting and you lack any common sense to see what the other is portraying. You have nothing left to argue that is factual except for nonsensical opinions that doesn't even make sense. Keep barking like a dumbass, you already conceded anyways. I'm done with you, I don't like wasting my time with retards that don't know how to read simple English.

 

[Easyfathom]

Exertion from your feet determines how hard you punch in real life which you brought up in the first place you annoying idiot:|
As for the bold part, it's all irrelevant considering the fact that Luffy sinking in his fist before firing is what makes the impact attacks a lot more devastating. And yet you remain a stubborn retard trying to apply real world exertion of power to a manga character that propels his punches by stretching them. How stupid can you be? You're so fucking annoying.


This excuse is blatantly stupid and pathetic. There is no "minor obvious details" fanfic being shown here in the manga. Dogtooth literally said that he was caught off guard and that it wouldn't work again. And if you're that retarded to not except a fact for what it is, then shut the **** up and don't reply me again.
You can't provide a single counter, period. SnakeMan showed the same output of power and their is nothing you can say to dispute that. You already conceded to on of their attacks (Python) having the same output power so their is no point in argung what's written in the manga.
I didn't even bring up the same that Cracker's Biscuit army blocked BounceMan's punches without breaking or how PowerMochi was completely dominating BounceMan in the beginning but then G3 stalemate's Dogtooth's biggest

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just by putting more aura into his attack.
You're such simple minded idiot that has no idea on the concept of haki or how the Gears work.

I'm done with you pleb. You're reading comprehension is disgusting and you lack any common sense to see what the other is portraying. You have nothing left to argue that is factual except for nonsensical opinions that doesn't even make sense. Keep barking like a dumbass, you already conceded anyways. I'm done with you, I don't like wasting my time with retards that don't know how to read simple English.

I concede nothing you twerp... And the only thing you've done is bash me throughout that whole post and either dodge attempts to rebuttal my arguments and once again just add more shit that's not relevant.

You fail time and time again to understand basic knowledge and all you turned to is hateful bashing to try and save face over the fact that you're some little kid, with little comprehension skills and even more so, can't even read pictures... I'm done with you. Feel free to say more hateful shit you whining little *****.

 

[straightup]

I’m gonna play devils advocate and say snakeman may be stronger in the sense that it seems like luffy didn’t want to use it until he figured out how he could improve his observation Haki. If snakeman was only usable once he had the proper observation then I’d only assume that it would be stronger then bounce man which he was able to use without getting a power up. Frankly I think accurate jabs are always going to trump blind haymakers.

 

[Easyfathom]

I’m gonna play devils advocate and say snakeman may be stronger in the sense that it seems like luffy didn’t want to use it until he figured out how he could improve his observation Haki. If snakeman was only usable once he had the proper observation then I’d only assume that it would be stronger then bounce man which he was able to use without getting a power up. Frankly I think accurate jabs are always going to trump blind haymakers.

Why would he need to improve his observation haki for Snakeman? We've seen him use culverin before, so his attacks don't rely on the use of observation haki... Just that in this instance, he required better observation (not necessarily Snakeman) to be able to take the advantage away from his opponent. Swap out Katakuri for any other character (that we've seen) and Snakeman would have performed just as well, if not better on them without the increase of proficiency in observation haki.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Boundman is clearly the most powerful in the basic definition of the word powerful.

 

[straightup]

Why would he need to improve his observation haki for Snakeman? We've seen him use culverin before, so his attacks don't rely on the use of observation haki... Just that in this instance, he required better observation (not necessarily Snakeman) to be able to take the advantage away from his opponent. Swap out Katakuri for any other character (that we've seen) and Snakeman would have performed just as well, if not better on them without the increase of proficiency in observation haki.

Then explain why he didn’t use snakeman earlier in the fight. Seems like the only thing that he was waiting on is a power up on his observation. That or it was a huge coincidence that he didn’t go into snakeman until he felt good about his future sight

 

[Easyfathom]

Then explain why he didn’t use snakeman earlier in the fight. Seems like the only thing that he was waiting on is a power up on his observation. That or it was a huge coincidence that he didn’t go into snakeman until he felt good about his future sight

He wouldn't have known about seeing in the future the way Katakuri does beforehand, so he would never have developed Snakeman and then thought "hmm... This form is missing something... Ah, seeing into the future. Guess I won't use it until I develop that power-up."

There could be dozens of reasons why he didn't use it before then, he might have thought he needed power over speed. He didn't know exactly how Katakuri's ability worked so he wanted something more suited to try and push him with. Maybe once he understood Katakuri's power, he knew he had to win the fight with extra speed.

Let me ask you think, how do you think him gaining some level of future sight works specifically for Snakeman and not any other ability he has?
Also, if it was improved observation that he needed for Snakeman to work, how does this make Snakeman as a form better other than him using his observation haki in the same way that he can in any form?

Sort of the same question, not sure how my mind is wording them so weirdly xD

 

[straightup]

He wouldn't have known about seeing in the future the way Katakuri does beforehand, so he would never have developed Snakeman and then thought "hmm... This form is missing something... Ah, seeing into the future. Guess I won't use it until I develop that power-up."

There could be dozens of reasons why he didn't use it before then, he might have thought he needed power over speed. He didn't know exactly how Katakuri's ability worked so he wanted something more suited to try and push him with. Maybe once he understood Katakuri's power, he knew he had to win the fight with extra speed.

Let me ask you think, how do you think him gaining some level of future sight works specifically for Snakeman and not any other ability he has?
Also, if it was improved observation that he needed for Snakeman to work, how does this make Snakeman as a form better other than him using his observation haki in the same way that he can in any form?

Sort of the same question, not sure how my mind is wording them so weirdly xD

I honestly don’t see how it would be unreasonable to assume that luffy had that thought process. I mean ray did explain to him that there was a way to make observation haki see into the future slightly so it’s not like that was new knowledge. So I wouldn’t say it was unreasonable to say that he had snakeman stored for the day that he could get that obs. Haki.

As far as how it would help him in regards to snakeman, I think we can both agree that the main issue with Kat. Was the observation haki. I think we could also agree that bounceman wasn’t cutting it. I can’t recall but how many times did he try bounceman? Regardless it wasn’t until he went into snakeman that he actually started seeing results. So in regards to this fight, snakeman was superior. Now if snakeman was superior why would luffy not just use snakeman off the bat? Why would he keep trying a failing tactic? Maybe because snakeman wasn’t an option until he started getting the hang of his obs. Haki.

But I don’t know, this is just my opinion, I do agree that I would like each mode to have its own purpose but being that this is a shonen we all know that it’s a tier ladder. The same way that gear 4 made gear 3 and 2 obsolete, snakeman will make bounceman obsolete and something will take place of snake man and the cycle will continue. Bet you that the next big fight luffys gonna jump into snakeman, realize it’s not going to work and then come up with another move. And that move will be replaced and so on.

 

[Easyfathom]

I honestly don’t see how it would be unreasonable to assume that luffy had that thought process. I mean ray did explain to him that there was a way to make observation haki see into the future slightly so it’s not like that was new knowledge. So I wouldn’t say it was unreasonable to say that he had snakeman stored for the day that he could get that obs. Haki.

As far as how it would help him in regards to snakeman, I think we can both agree that the main issue with Kat. Was the observation haki. I think we could also agree that bounceman wasn’t cutting it. I can’t recall but how many times did he try bounceman? Regardless it wasn’t until he went into snakeman that he actually started seeing results. So in regards to this fight, snakeman was superior. Now if snakeman was superior why would luffy not just use snakeman off the bat? Why would he keep trying a failing tactic? Maybe because snakeman wasn’t an option until he started getting the hang of his obs. Haki.

But I don’t know, this is just my opinion, I do agree that I would like each mode to have its own purpose but being that this is a shonen we all know that it’s a tier ladder. The same way that gear 4 made gear 3 and 2 obsolete, snakeman will make bounceman obsolete and something will take place of snake man and the cycle will continue. Bet you that the next big fight luffys gonna jump into snakeman, realize it’s not going to work and then come up with another move. And that move will be replaced and so on.

Did Rayleigh explain that too him? Must have forgotten, as I don't recall that :O

As for the next bit of your post, you skipped over the fact that he has already displayed similar techniques before Snakeman (that being culverin), so the actual technique doesn't rely on observation haki. So again, why would he need to improve that for Snakeman to finally be effective? How does it improve Snakeman as a form other than the already known effects that we've seen observation imply.
Also, I mentioned that Katakuri's biggest issue to beat was his level of observation... However I Luffy needed to improve his level of observation haki just to counteract Katakuri's, not to empower his Snakeman form in a way that used observation in any different way that just the normal abilities and uses of observation.

As for your last reply, look at gears 2 and 3. Neither was obsolete and they have both been used interchangeably between/in fights and he will still use them in the future. You have Chopper and all of his forms, we've seen them be used interchangeably. So despite this being a shonen manga, it doesn't always follow that rule.
I feel Gear 4 as a whole will be used situationally in the future and we've probably got at least another form to be revealed.