[Discussion] Luffy Vs Zoro

[LitzSabr]

actually it mostly should, it wasn't an objective meter of strength it was a plot device by the writer to demonstrate their powers and make them comparable to us

Then why write that it only measures physical power? And why tell that DF powers are not considered in it too? Doriki clearly doesn't show the real strength.. only the first point is enough to justify it.
Don't push things away by calling them a plot device.

 

[Olorin]

Then why write that it only measures physical power? And why tell that DF powers are not considered in it too? Doriki clearly doesn't show the real strength.. only the first point is enough to justify it.
Don't push things away by calling them a plot device.

doesn't change the fact that the only reason Oda had to put that measurement scale in is for us to compare the power levels of CP-9, if they weren't mostly true he would have had no reason to put them into the story

anyway, I'm out, these Luffy=Zoro threads are getting stupid when anyone reading OP should see how it has always been portrait to be Luffy>Zoro>Sanji

bye bye

 

[LitzSabr]

doesn't change the fact that the only reason Oda had to put that measurement scale in is for us to compare the power levels of CP-9, if they weren't mostly true he would have had no reason to put them into the story

anyway, I'm out, these Luffy=Zoro threads are getting stupid when anyone reading OP should see how it has always been portrait to be Luffy>Zoro>Sanji

bye bye

No problem, it's not like I made anything by myself. I just told you what was told in the manga. If you want to keep your opinion, then well that's that.

 

[ToshiZO]

Then why write that it only measures physical power? And why tell that DF powers are not considered in it too? Doriki clearly doesn't show the real strength.. only the first point is enough to justify it.
Don't push things away by calling them a plot device.

That only helps Lucci's case even more since he's a master with his DF. Kaku just got his, infact imo Jyabura was above Kaku.

 

[LitzSabr]

That only helps Lucci's case even more since he's a master with his DF. Kaku just got his, infact imo Jyabura was above Kaku.

Yet Kaku was using it with great skill alongside his swordsmanship, proving he already knew how to use it efficently. Furthermore his DF enhanced swordsmanship skill(range). I don't know how one can say that Lucci was using his DF better than Kaku.
Jyabura isn't even in the equation here.

 

[The 1 who knows]

You think Shanks and Mihawk are equal due to the fact they sparred ages ago at an even level. It's obvious Shanks has more to his fighting abilities other than using a sword his Haki is boss and I'm willing to bet far greater than Mihawks. The fact Mihawk himself Luffy's goal was harder than Zoro's should have been the moment people realized Luffy would always be a little stronger than Zoro.

Actually the way the author has designed this story is to show exactly what Mihawk stated becoming the Pirate King is a lot harder than becoming the WGS and in extension should give us a good idea where the character are and will be later in strength.

ok show me facts of shanks using other techniques.....and answer this rhetorical question...when akainu was stoped by shanks..why did he choose to stop him using a sword? and not hi s other "awesome techniques?"
don't get me wrong....shanks is preety powerful but most guys overate him just cause he is yonkou. you should remember that his crew plays a role in him being yonkou and being that they are few in number, it should attest to their strength. When he joined the MF war he didnt come with alliances like the WB pirates yet he stopped the war cause of his strength and that of his crew.
now remember mihawk rides solo.....nothing i have read shows otherwise unless he rides with a crew of monkeys.
nwy as i sed earlier, these are blanks left for readers to fill in to keep readers interested, otherwise the outcome of shanks v mihawk would have been stated just like they did in sabo v ace!

and as 4 the goals thing, being that Luffy's goal i think its been clearly explained.

as for the statistics used in OP, they are not black & white nor written in stone, because if we go on with that argument we will conclude that caribou is stronger than zoro and sanji just cause he has higher bounty.

 

[ToshiZO]

Yet Kaku was using it with great skill alongside his swordsmanship, proving he already knew how to use it efficently. Furthermore his DF enhanced swordsmanship skill(range). I don't know how one can say that Lucci was using his DF better than Kaku.
Jyabura isn't even in the equation here.

Jyabura was previously ahead of Kaku with his douriki, Kaku surpassed him recently, and it was only by a measly 20 douriki, it didn't take into account the DF's, a carnivorous zoan is said to be better for combat and Jyabura most likely had years of experience with his while Kaku was a noob with his. Jyabura was arguably ahead of Kaku, Lucci is not even comparable to the two, he had mastered rokushiki in perfect sync with his DF.

 

[LitzSabr]

Jyabura was previously ahead of Kaku with his douriki, Kaku surpassed him recently, and it was only by a measly 20 douriki, it didn't take into account the DF's, a carnivorous zoan is said to be better for combat and Jyabura most likely had years of experience with his while Kaku was a noob with his. Jyabura was arguably ahead of Kaku, Lucci is not even comparable to the two, he had mastered rokushiki in perfect sync with his DF.

You say all that while we Clearly saw kaku utilizing his DF and using it with his swordsmanship and rokushiki Better than jyabura. The 20 doriki difference doesn't play much of a big role here, though the above things does. Jyabura had his DF before Kaku and a potentially better one too, but Kaku was simply using his DF better.. For defence, offence, clearly more better. Which is to say it was more suited for battle (As far as Kaku's own fighting style goes).
Lucci is more powerful than the both, yeah but the ratio between him and Kaku isn't 100:55 as one might think seeing their doriki (swordsmanship for a swordsman is a huge source of power), that is what I am saying. Again, he made good use of his DF, though nothing I saw suggests he utilized it better than kaku. It's similar to jyabura, increase in physical capabilities.