[VS] Luffy vs Jozu

[OG sama]

Not really relevant. If Luffy couldn't kill an already severely injured Doffy with G4 then someone who is implicatively more durable then Doffy at full health should pretty much just win because Luffy is too weak. Doesn't matter what Luffy does, Jozu can literally do nothing and win. Why would anyone put this any diff about mid diff given this?

Luffy has probably gotten stronger after his battle with Doflamingo. The whole speech about Luffy not running away from an Admiral and proclaiming he will blast all the Yonko and Admirals away is completely useless if he can only give Jozu mid diff.

Offensively G4 craps on any attack Jozu has shown, if Luffy can give an on guard admiral a bruise with one of his lesser G3 attacks, imagine the damage he can do with the stronger attacks and G4.

 

[OG sama]

@Zhoom

I know what your arguing, you think that just because I think G4 does more damage to an area is the reason why I say G4 is stronger than BP which is actually not the case.

I think G4 is greater than BP because of the simple fact that Luffys weakest G3 attack was able to give an Admiral a bruise. If his weakest G3 attack can do at least that much then imagine what the stronger techs could do.

They will most certainly give him more than a mouth bleed, he's going to feel it and maybe even cough up some blood.

 

[MickNerks]

Both Luffy and Jozu are stronger than Doflamingo at this point (IMO). But I'm not sure if Luffy is strong enough currently to bypass jozu's diamond defense. I'll give this to Jozu High Diff!!!

 

[Apêx1]

Luffy has probably gotten stronger after his battle with Doflamingo. The whole speech about Luffy not running away from an Admiral and proclaiming he will blast all the Yonko and Admirals away is completely useless if he can only give Jozu mid diff.

Offensively G4 craps on any attack Jozu has shown, if Luffy can give an on guard admiral a bruise with one of his lesser G3 attacks, imagine the damage he can do with the stronger attacks and G4.

So Luffy got stronger after beating Doffy? What is this, DBZ? Did he just get a Zenkai power-up? Only because he believes he can beat an Admiral or a Yonko doesn't mean he can. Unless he awakens in the next chapter he's going to get smothered by Fujitora even if Zoro helps him.

And lol, Jozu smashed Kuzan with his attack, and has thrown the mountain sized chunk of Ice a far distance (better strength feat then anything Luffy would dream of). Please don't try to compare them physically, I can't possibly see Jozu being physically inferior to G4 Luffy when he couldn't take down a post-gama Doffy with the entire time his G4 can stay up. Also, Luffy giving Fuji that tiny bruise now puts him at Jozu levels only because he used G3 instead of G4? Even though Jozu made Kuzan, who is likely superior to Fuji, bleed from his mouth while shattering his Ice form? Sick logic fam.

 

[Hexuze]

El oh El.

So Jozu with even one arm is going to perform better than Current Luffy to you, the same Luffy who gave an Admiral a bruise despite the admiral having blocked the attack.

Correct. Jozu is very fast, as noted by Crocodile and he even managed to attack Kuzan off-guard and make him bleed. It would be shameful if Luffy couldn't manage to bruise an admiral at this point so I'm not really surprised. Jozu's DF is OP, despite not being able to cover his body fully in diamond and has incredible strength feats like so:

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And then he's going to mid diff him based off one attack he managed to block from Mihawk that was clearly not his strongest attack and had obviously lost a bunch of power due to how far it was from Whitebeard. Correct?

But yet Sabo can beat Jozu correct?

Not just that but the other feats he's shown as well. What makes you think it lost it's power by then? Vista as well was also blocking attacks like that in a much shorter distance.

I would admit that I placed Sabo higher than Jozu but my mind has changed. Jozu beats Sabo.

 

[OG sama]

So Luffy got stronger after beating Doffy? What is this, DBZ? Did he just get a Zenkai power-up? Only because he believes he can beat an Admiral or a Yonko doesn't mean he can. Unless he awakens in the next chapter he's going to get smothered by Fujitora even if Zoro helps him.

And lol, Jozu smashed Kuzan with his attack, and has thrown the mountain sized chunk of Ice a far distance (better strength feat then anything Luffy would dream of). Please don't try to compare them physically, I can't possibly see Jozu being physically inferior to G4 Luffy when he couldn't take down a post-gama Doffy with the entire time his G4 can stay up. Also, Luffy giving Fuji that tiny bruise now puts him at Jozu levels only because he used G3 instead of G4? Even though Jozu made Kuzan, who is likely superior to Fuji, bleed from his mouth while shattering his Ice form? Sick logic fam.

Luffy never said he could beat an admiral. He said he was sick of running away, I expect him to at least hold his own. Which is just as much as Jozu managed against Aokiji.

What's Jozus physical strength got to do with his attacks? There are many characters who can't lift that iceberg, doesn't mean Jozu would beat them.

 

[OG sama]

Correct. Jozu is very fast, as noted by Crocodile and he even managed to attack Kuzan off-guard and make him bleed. It would be shameful if Luffy couldn't manage to bruise an admiral at this point so I'm not really surprised. Jozu's DF is OP, despite not being able to cover his body fully in diamond and has incredible strength feats like so:

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Not just that but the other feats he's shown as well. What makes you think it lost it's power by then? Vista as well was also blocking attacks like that in a much shorter distance.

I would admit that I placed Sabo higher than Jozu but my mind has changed. Jozu beats Sabo.

Its been shown that the farther the attacks, the more power they lose as shown when Zoro needed to get closer to Pica, and the fact that a flying slash eventually dissolves also proves this.

Also if that was Mihawks strongest slash then he gets absolutely no diff by WB considering the attack was no sold by one of his commanders.

 

[Apêx1]

Luffy never said he could beat an admiral. He said he was sick of running away, I expect him to at least hold his own. Which is just as much as Jozu managed against Aokiji.

What's Jozus physical strength got to do with his attacks? There are many characters who can't lift that iceberg, doesn't mean Jozu would beat them.

If Luffy can land a clean hit on Fuji while they are in battle then by all means, Luffy>Jozu. Even Sabo couldn't do that. But until then that's irrelevant.

We are talking about strength behind their attack. Please learn to remember to re-read your own initial arguments before you try debating.

 

[OG sama]

If Luffy can land a clean hit on Fuji while they are in battle then by all means, Luffy>Jozu. Even Sabo couldn't do that. But until then that's irrelevant.

We are talking about strength behind their attack. Please learn to remember to re-read your own initial arguments before you try debating.

You talk about my logic but look at yours. Jozu only ever got a clean hit on Aokiji because he was fighting the WSM, other than that they were at a stalemate for time until Jozu got distracted and then got one shotted. Costing him his arms, even Doflamingo got out of the attack. You see, this is exactly why I referred to Jozus attacks and not his physical strength.

Oh really, BP paled in comparison to the fact that Jozu could lift the iceberg. His physical strength shouldn't even be used as an argument for his attacks, because lifting up an iceberg doesn't mean your physical attacks are on the same level.

If this was the case, many people would put Jozu ahead of Marco.