[Discussion] Luffy vs Ace

[Uzumaki Macho]

A hit to his head isn't breaking his neck, plus my point wasn't that he couldn't hit Ace's head but he could hit his neck directly. Entei isn't getting counter by a Gatling which he would have to come out of G34to use, while all of Ace's moves aren't getting easily dodged.

Do I really need to explain why getting punched in the head can hurt your neck? Why wouldn't EG counter it? Besides, Luffy can just speed blitz Acs before he can fully summon Entei. Ace's attacks aren't that fast and can be easily dodged by Luffy, who can outrun an explosion and dodge Overheat from a few yards away. Luffy outclasses Ace in terms of speed and defense by a long shot, and has an offense on par with Ace's.

 

[OG sama]

Ace was able to beat Akainu to Luffy in MF....Ace isn't slow but let me guess Akainu gets blitzed aswell right?

Akainu is an Admiral first off, he doesn't have many speed feats but does he have to? No, he being an admiral and having top notch Haki should have very good reactions that allow him to not get blitzed, its the same with WB.

Luffy with G2 alone was fast enough to stop Law from getting blown up by Trebols explosion despite previously being stuck in his snot. Yes Ace probably wouldn't get blitzed out of his mind but its going to depend on his CoO, even DD could barely react to G4 so I doubt Ace could do much better. That's not even counting the unpredictability of gomu gomu no culverin which probably can't be sensed by CoO.

 

[-Akuma-]

Do I really need to explain why getting punched in the head can hurt your neck? Why wouldn't EG counter it? Besides, Luffy can just speed blitz Acs before he can fully summon Entei. Ace's attacks aren't that fast and can be easily dodged by Luffy, who can outrun an explosion and dodge Overheat from a few yards away. Luffy outclasses Ace in terms of speed and defense by a long shot, and has an offense on par with Ace's.

When has anyone in OP had their neck broken after a punch to the face lol. Ace wasn't even nearly beat either because he went on to fight BB and survive his strongest attack, the way you downplay Ace is laughable. Luffy blitzing Ace is laughable or he simply would of been blitzed by the likes Kuzan when he fought him, considering Luffy isn't even fast enough to blitz someone like Jinbei Ace isn't getting blitzed. Again where is your basis for Ace's attack being slow, pretty sure I haven't seen anyone noticible dodge Ace's attacks easily bar WB (but Ace was a rookies and didn't really use any named attacks then). Luffy is faster yeah I never denied that but to say he's getting blitzed is laughable.

 

[-Akuma-]

Akainu is an Admiral first off, he doesn't have many speed feats but does he have to? No, he being an admiral and having top notch Haki should have very good reactions that allow him to not get blitzed, its the same with WB.

Luffy with G2 alone was fast enough to stop Law from getting blown up by Trebols explosion despite previously being stuck in his snot. Yes Ace probably wouldn't get blitzed out of his mind but its going to depend on his CoO, even DD could barely react to G4 so I doubt Ace could do much better. That's not even counting the unpredictability of gomu gomu no culverin which probably can't be sensed by CoO.

So what Akainu is going to be as slow as EB Luffy now? Stop playing, as for WB he's not as nearly as slow as people make him out to be but I do admit he's not speed demon.

Stop, just stop. Jimbei couldn't cleanly react to G2 Luffy so there's no point of even bring him up, as for DD you do realise he was caught off guard by Luffy's transformation he was openly mocking it an didn't expect that to happen but yet he was still able to guard himself from Kong Gun and still dodged another attack. Not to mention DD at this point is badly beat up aswell....I'm not arguing that Ace is faster but he's not getting blitzed the way you and Macho are saying he will.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

When has anyone in OP had their neck broken after a punch to the face lol. Ace wasn't even nearly beat either because he went on to fight BB and survive his strongest attack, the way you downplay Ace is laughable. Luffy blitzing Ace is laughable or he simply would of been blitzed by the likes Kuzan when he fought him, considering Luffy isn't even fast enough to blitz someone like Jinbei Ace isn't getting blitzed. Again where is your basis for Ace's attack being slow, pretty sure I haven't seen anyone noticible dodge Ace's attacks easily bar WB (but Ace was a rookies and didn't really use any named attacks then). Luffy is faster yeah I never denied that but to say he's getting blitzed is laughable.

No, the fight ended shortly after that. Ace has no reaction speed feats to suggest he can contend with Luffy's speed and Kuzan's attack wasn't even super fast so idk what you're getting at. Luffy can outrun an explosion in base form, can dodge Overheat from Doflamingo, and can travel halfway across Dressrosa in a few seconds. The only attack that can hit him from Ace is Entei, but the fight will be over long before Ace tries to use it.

 

[Mugiwara kun]

Okay...first of all, I think it's pretty unfair to compared pre skip Ace to PS Luffy. Luffy had two Yeats to train So of course he's going to catch Ace given his growth rate but there's no way he's going to be blitzing Ace or mid-diffing him So please stop. You're all underestimating him. Plus I got get Why anyone is still saying Ace didn't display haki when during Luffy's flashback after Aces' death, he was shown using COC

 

[Punk Hazard]

Okay...first of all, I think it's pretty unfair to compared pre skip Ace to PS Luffy. Luffy had two Yeats to train So of course he's going to catch Ace given his growth rate but there's no way he's going to be blitzing Ace or mid-diffing him So please stop. You're all underestimating him. Plus I got get Why anyone is still saying Ace didn't display haki when during Luffy's flashback after Aces' death, he was shown using COC

Nothing suggests Ace had control over his Haoshoku nor any usage of Busoshoku.

 

[Mugiwara kun]

Nothing suggests Ace had control over his Haoshoku nor any usage of Busoshoku.

Are you frecking kidding me? He was under WB tutelage for How many years? A man who WB was grooming to be PK wouldn't have learned How to control COC? We all know practically all the top tier pirate in the new world has At least COA even Bellamy had COA So Am assuming Ace had the three but it wasn't shown

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

no Ace is stronger than DD

Why do ppl think Doffy is so weak :| first ppl say sabo then zoro and then croc can match him now ace can beat him 2 I'm done -.-

Also luffy wins mid semi high diff I really dnt see ace suriving gear 4 or even gear 3 gattling tht luffy did to tht ship for the matter ...

 

[Fireplay]

Luffy wins high-diff.

That G4.

 

[-Akuma-]

No, the fight ended shortly after that. Ace has no reaction speed feats to suggest he can contend with Luffy's speed and Kuzan's attack wasn't even super fast so idk what you're getting at. Luffy can outrun an explosion in base form, can dodge Overheat from Doflamingo, and can travel halfway across Dressrosa in a few seconds. The only attack that can hit him from Ace is Entei, but the fight will be over long before Ace tries to use it.

The fight didn't really end shortly after that, it only ended after he took BB's strongest attack and then later was beat up at Impel Down....So he can take all of that but is dying to one punch to the head lol. What makes it that Kuzan's attack isn't fast? Ace was shown fighting against Admirals and never got outpaced at all , it's funny that you think he's getting blizted by Luffy

 

[I m an Ass]

Ace had the elemental advantage, and countering one attack doesn't mean you are equal.

That doesn't mean shit in one piece Aokeji could have used haki to win this and maybe he did

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

That doesn't mean shit in one piece Aokeji could have used haki to win this and maybe he did

Haki wouldn't get rid of the elemental advantage.

 

[ssjelf]

Ace extreme diff because of dai enkai: entei. Not sure what luffy can do to combat that currently. Lufys advantage comes from his close range skills but ace wins the long range game. He also can fly so....

 

[I m an Ass]

Haki wouldn't get rid of the elemental advantage.

Are you stupid or do you love luffy that much ? Remember when Akainu burned ace back it was not because magma is hotter than fire but because of haki.We know it's a fact that fire is stronger than magma,so there goes your logic ,please quote me back if you're really serous because you're just being biased towards luffy

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Are you stupid or do you love luffy that much ? Remember when Akainu burned ace back it was not because magma is hotter than fire but because of haki.We know it's a fact that fire is stronger than magma,so there goes your logic ,please quote me back if you're really serous because you're just being biased towards luffy

WTF. Akainu burned Ace because his magma was hotter than Ace's fire. What is your problem?

 

[Punk Hazard]

WTF. Akainu burned Ace because his magma was hotter than Ace's fire. What is your problem?

Magma actually doesn't get hotter than fire, this has been disputed so many times. He's wrong, but you are as well.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Magma actually doesn't get hotter than fire, this has been disputed so many times. He's wrong, but you are as well.

Fire can be less hot than magma when it is at its maximum temperature.

 

[OG sama]

So what Akainu is going to be as slow as EB Luffy now? Stop playing, as for WB he's not as nearly as slow as people make him out to be but I do admit he's not speed demon.

Stop, just stop. Jimbei couldn't cleanly react to G2 Luffy so there's no point of even bring him up, as for DD you do realise he was caught off guard by Luffy's transformation he was openly mocking it an didn't expect that to happen but yet he was still able to guard himself from Kong Gun and still dodged another attack. Not to mention DD at this point is badly beat up aswell....I'm not arguing that Ace is faster but he's not getting blitzed the way you and Macho are saying he will.

Why does Akainu and everyone stronger than Luffy have to be faster than him to you? With good reactions it won't even matter how fast he is. You can't sit here and tell me because WB was the WSM that he was also faster than everybody as well, that's not how it works same logic can apply to the admirals, Akainu may be the strongest but everyone can agree Kizaru is faster.

He got his ass blitzed the second time though, Luffy was flying right in his view, vanished from plain sight right behind him and kicked the crap out of him. He may not get blitzed horribly but he's definitely not keeping up with his feats. Until Ace actually proves he is up there with Doflamingo and Luffy with feats I'm done with this argument. Aces placement is pretty clear to me and that's right behind them.

 

[-Akuma-]

No, the fight ended shortly after that. Ace has no reaction speed feats to suggest he can contend with Luffy's speed and Kuzan's attack wasn't even super fast so idk what you're getting at. Luffy can outrun an explosion in base form, can dodge Overheat from Doflamingo, and can travel halfway across Dressrosa in a few seconds. The only attack that can hit him from Ace is Entei, but the fight will be over long before Ace tries to use it.

The fight didn't end shortly after that, they exchanged blows then traded their strongest moves, you're making it sound like Ace was finished after the chop. It was one of Kuzan's named attacks and Ace reacted to it and Kuzan has shown to have some of the fastest attack in the show, it's should be comparable to Luffy's. To think that Luffy is blitzing Ace is ****ing stupid.

He out ran a small explosion, as for overheat the likes out Sanji and anyone near his level would be able to dodge that. People like Kalifa could track lighting or are you telling me Kalifa has better reaction than Ace. Luffy's not dodging everything when he was being tagged by punches from DD.