[Question] Luffy using haki on seastone

[Simpleatitsbest]

We've seen seastone nullify and sap a DF users ability, and haki is suppose to do the same, however, Doffy was surprised that Luffy's body remained in a rubber state when he hit him.. Do you think it's at all possible that Luffy could nullify or reduce the effects of seastone with his haki? Or other character too..

And not once the effects have taken place, but before they do, for example, Marco when he was in his cuffs was at a drained state and was unable to use his DF powers, however, Luffy trying to unlock Ace's cuffs, if he was using haki before touching them, he wouldn't have felt the draining effect of them. Essentially isn't it like armor? Wouldn't the stone be touching your "will" so to speak, as appose to you.

Just hit me before and was wondering what peoples thoughts on the idea was

 

[Son Ryuto Uzumaki]

Thats makes alot of sense... To be using Haki before touching sea stone. It should work sense Smoker uses gloves for his sea stone weapon

 

[Punk Hazard]

It's an interesting thought and makes sense to say the least.

Oh, you should note that Haki doesn't sap and drain powers like Seastone.

Thats makes alot of sense... To be using Haki before touching sea stone. It should work sense Smoker uses gloves for his sea stone weapon

Only the tip of Smoker's Jitte is made of Seastone.

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

It's an interesting thought and makes sense to say the least.

Oh, you should note that Haki doesn't sap and drain powers like Seastone.


Only the tip of Smoker's Jitte is made of Seastone.

Aye, I did mean the haki bit to refer to just the nullifying of DF powers... But in my head this makes perfect sense, but at the same time it doesn't... Because seastone + the sea itself doesn't nullify a DF powers, which then got me thinking why Marco couldn't use his whilst in his cuffs, or why logias can't just turn into the fruits element and escape them. This is referring to Luffy remaining rubber even when under seastones effect.. This can be seen in the Arlong arc where they're able to stretch is head to the surface of the water, and when he grabbed the bars of the cage in the Alabasta arc, he drooped down with his arms stretching and then also in the Fishman island arc, when he does a red hawk on the Kraken...

Then I thought it must be because he's a rubber man, it's not a power he actives, it's passive, so although the Seastone drains him, it doesn't nullify his rubber state (I also can't think of an example where it did).. This is unlike Haki however, which does nullify his rubber, seen when Garp hits him, or Rayleigh flicked his forehead.. But then how does he use haki and remain rubber? Or when Doffy kicked him?

Is it maybe because it's his own haki so it doesn't take away his DF powers and when Doffy kicked him using Haki, Luffy's haki acted as barrier between Doffy and his rubber body, which is turn allowed him to stay in a rubber state... This is where I think possibly he could do the same with seastone... But because it's a passive ability makes me think maybe it only works on DF's alike, which explains why haki wouldn't work for logia DF users... Or would it?

I honestly get confused thinking about this which it's crossed my mind a few times since yesterday xD

 

[Punk Hazard]

Aye, I did mean the haki bit to refer to just the nullifying of DF powers... But in my head this makes perfect sense, but at the same time it doesn't... Because seastone + the sea itself doesn't nullify a DF powers, which then got me thinking why Marco couldn't use his whilst in his cuffs, or why logias can't just turn into the fruits element and escape them. This is referring to Luffy remaining rubber even when under seastones effect.. This can be seen in the Arlong arc where they're able to stretch is head to the surface of the water, and when he grabbed the bars of the cage in the Alabasta arc, he drooped down with his arms stretching and then also in the Fishman island arc, when he does a red hawk on the Kraken...

Then I thought it must be because he's a rubber man, it's not a power he actives, it's passive, so although the Seastone drains him, it doesn't nullify his rubber state (I also can't think of an example where it did).. This is unlike Haki however, which does nullify his rubber, seen when Garp hits him, or Rayleigh flicked his forehead.. But then how does he use haki and remain rubber? Or when Doffy kicked him?

Is it maybe because it's his own haki so it doesn't take away his DF powers and when Doffy kicked him using Haki, Luffy's haki acted as barrier between Doffy and his rubber body, which is turn allowed him to stay in a rubber state... This is where I think possibly he could do the same with seastone... But because it's a passive ability makes me think maybe it only works on DF's alike, which explains why haki wouldn't work for logia DF users... Or would it?

I honestly get confused thinking about this which it's crossed my mind a few times since yesterday xD

Yeah, that's how it works. Seastone and sea-water simply shut off the DF user's power to control their bodies and their powers. Meaning that someone who has to activate his power like Marco wouldn't be able to, but someone like Luffy who exists in a perpetual state granted by his DF would still exist in that state. Only Teach's powers completely shut down the DF absolutely.

It makes sense to me that a layer of Haki between the DF user and the seastone should protect them because the stone should be touching the Haki, not their skin.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

It's an interesting thought if Luffy touched a seastone with Armmaent Haki, would his power still drain? It should protect him from losing his power and stay rubbery. Perhaps even seastone is so powerful regardless how high level is haki for DF user.

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

Yeah, that's how it works. Seastone and sea-water simply shut off the DF user's power to control their bodies and their powers. Meaning that someone who has to activate his power like Marco wouldn't be able to, but someone like Luffy who exists in a perpetual state granted by his DF would still exist in that state. Only Teach's powers completely shut down the DF absolutely.

It makes sense to me that a layer of Haki between the DF user and the seastone should protect them because the stone should be touching the Haki, not their skin.

So would this work for non-passive abilities? So if sabo was to activate haki on his arms as cuffs were put on him, would the rest of his body be able to turn into flame?

It's an interesting thought if Luffy touched a seastone with Armmaent Haki, would his power still drain? It should protect him from losing his power and stay rubbery. Perhaps even seastone is so powerful regardless how high level is haki for DF user.

Do you think so? I think Oda has actually changed the rules a little bit, at first the draining effect was so immense and sudden, but as the series has progressed it doesn't seem to have all the much of an energy sapping effect. Look at Nico Robin, she wore cuffs (I presume were made of seastone) for ages and was able to walk, struggle and even have the jaw strength to the point that Spandam couldn't pull her away from the side of the bridge... Ceasar had the same thing, he wasn't totally sapped either, neither was Ace and he even't through all the stuff that got done to him at Impel Down, wasn't he even starved? He should have been face down on the floor if seastone is suppose to have such an effect.

 

[Naruto Power]

cant remeber where but luffys arm is still rubber and stretched when hes in the water so i think haki may work on seastone like a bullet but not water.
maybe the only fruit that works with water is a water fruit but have not seen it yet