[Discussion] Luffy, Sanji, Zoro, & Law vs Kid, Apoo, Killler, & Hawkins
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Uzumaki Macho
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Luffy beats Kid high diff.
Law beats Hawkins mid diff.
Zoro beats Killer high diff.
Sanji beats Apoo extreme diff.
Law beats Hawkins mid diff.
Zoro beats Killer high diff.
Sanji beats Apoo extreme diff.
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Luffy beats kid extreme diff
Law beats Hawkin neg diff
Zoro beats killer mid diff
Sanji beats Appo high diff.
Law beats Hawkin neg diff
Zoro beats killer mid diff
Sanji beats Appo high diff.
Even though I love One Piece, this is one of the problems I have with it
These guys have hype too them, I mean they are Supernovas, and Kid definitely is gonna serve a purpose
But we can't make any real claims on the fight since we haven't seen them do anything... That's why I don't like hype (most of the times, I have my moments)
These guys have hype too them, I mean they are Supernovas, and Kid definitely is gonna serve a purpose
But we can't make any real claims on the fight since we haven't seen them do anything... That's why I don't like hype (most of the times, I have my moments)
Luffy vs Kid - Kid wins very high-extreme difficulty
Sanji vs Apoo - Apoo wins mid-high difficulty
Zoro vs Killer - Zoro wins very high-extreme difficulty
Law vs Hawkins - Law wins very high difficulty
PS: I don't think they will fight because they have their own business to take care off. They rival each other via accomplishments/parallels, not actual battles in 1 on 1. I'm also pretty certain Drake will join the strawhats alliance some time after this arc. Apoo is also a NW captain from the worse generation, who appears to be in conflict with Kid very often. I don't even understand why you think Sanji will fight him
Sanji vs Apoo - Apoo wins mid-high difficulty
Zoro vs Killer - Zoro wins very high-extreme difficulty
Law vs Hawkins - Law wins very high difficulty
PS: I don't think they will fight because they have their own business to take care off. They rival each other via accomplishments/parallels, not actual battles in 1 on 1. I'm also pretty certain Drake will join the strawhats alliance some time after this arc. Apoo is also a NW captain from the worse generation, who appears to be in conflict with Kid very often. I don't even understand why you think Sanji will fight him
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Forbidden Tale
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Luffy vs Kid
Luffy wins with exrem high diff.
Sanji vs Apoo
Sanji wins with exrem high diff.
Zoro vs Killer
Zoro wins with mid to high diff.
Law vs Hawkins
Law wins with mid to high diff.
Overall, I would say.
Luffy > Kid > Law > Zoro > Sanji > Appo/Hawkins > Killer
Luffy wins with exrem high diff.
Sanji vs Apoo
Sanji wins with exrem high diff.
Zoro vs Killer
Zoro wins with mid to high diff.
Law vs Hawkins
Law wins with mid to high diff.
Overall, I would say.
Luffy > Kid > Law > Zoro > Sanji > Appo/Hawkins > Killer
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What's more unbelievable is how you guys must know Oda so personally and/or be able to see the future to say these things that are not backed up by any current event in the manga whatsoever.
There are several things debated around here that aren't clearly backed-up by the manga, but are still fun to discuss about knowing the overall opinion with current knowledge concerning respective characters. You're not only forced to discuss about evident things. Otherwise, it would be pretty boring. Though i do have my reasonings around my reply
1- The Kid thing is obvious i think. His portrayal suggest Luffy and Kid should be close in strength. I put Kid over Luffy personally however because i think it would be pretty boring if Luffy was already stronger than all his rivals
2- Apoo was capable to hit logia Kizaru pretimeskip and survive a kick to the face at the speed of light with minimal damage. He also got overall better hype than Sanji as a NW captain from the worse generation in apparent conflict with Kid who deemed him strong enough to ally his pirate crew with his own in a fight against a yonkou similarly to what Law did with Luffy. As direct captains about to conflict with yonkous, i think they shouldn't be far from each other in strength(although i do think he is weaker than the top5)
3- Killer and Zoro are the only supernovas non-captain. Both being under rival captains(Kid and Luffy), so i think of Killer as Zoro's alter-ego in the Kid pirate crew. I give Zoro the edge currently however because he got better portrayal in sabaody than Killer among fellow supernovas, especially Urouge(who met both, but was more impressed by Zoro). Time will tell however how it will go
4- Hawkins is like the Apoo situation, except better. Pretimeskip he was basically the only supernova who had his 1 on 1(without fear) against an admiral, surviving multiple attacks from him(although with his devil fruit) and besides which is in the top5. I don't see a fight between two top 5(Hawkins and Law) ending lower than a high difficulty battle and personally i have high estime of Hawkins and his devil fruit
Well it won't happen considering i think Drake will join the alliance(that is close to settled). So if Drake joins, they will attack Kaido(his relative), not Big Mam. Secondly, even if it happened i don't see a NW captain from the worse generation who is in conflict with Kid going down to the thirdmate of another(Sanji). That would be bad writing. At best, the 2 alliance will clash when Drake will join and eventhen, like i've said it's not really their goal
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1. If their rivalry will be defined by achievements parallel to each other, and not by fighting, then what does it matter if Luffy is stronger than Kidd slightly?
2. Logias constantly let attacks hit them. Kizaru also let those to whom he asked about Sentomauro shoot him a couple times, and they did about as much damage as Apoo. Also, just being a captain isn't good enough. Caribou is a captain, and we know Sanji can defeat him.
1- The stronger should be the one achieving the best accomplishments
2- You didn't read the entire thing. I said he is in alliance with Kid about to face a yonkou similar to what Law do with Strawhats. That gives him better plot relevance, completely different than Cariboo or even Urouge and Capone. Pretimeskip, i could see Sanji beating Apoo because he didn't have that much plot relevance/hype, like i could see Sanji beating Urouge/Capone currently, but i can't see him beating Apoo due to his importance in the story and the parallel he represents to the alliance Law/Luffy
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Wow you guys got to be kidding me Apoo vs Sanji will be High diff i dont think apoo is that strong but killer is probaly on Sanji's level so Zoro will have a Extreme Diff fight with him...
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While in threads like this there is no real correct answer coz its all just fan fiction, I think there can be some way too naive opinions. Like the Sanji over Apoo one, I mean yah sure Kid is gonna ally himself with some1 weaker than his firstmate. I'm just saying if its Zoro>Killer n Sanji>Apoo then surely Killer>Apoo, I know a>b>c logic n whatever but still pple benefit of the doubt shld go to the guy who is in a manner in the same situation as Sanji's captain but hey we all have our opinions n whatever.
I wld b more interested in that Hawkins vs Law fight coz well when hax meets hax it gotta b a spectacular showdown(though as for now I give it to law for reasons of Hawkins not showing much in the offensive n portrayal I think goes to Law).
Luffy vs Kid, I think it wld b kinda bland if Luffy was already outrightly superior than all his Wrst Gen rivals save for Teach, n becoz I'm not of the Luffy will b unchallenged EOS opinion I think there will b 3/4 pple in his tier n well if doesn't die then Kid ought to b one of them(Mid wld win tbe first two encounters but Luffy wld devastate in the third).
Killer vs Zoro, on sabody it seemed as though Zoro was given the edge by the Supanova which saw him n Killer n had something to say about both but I think Killer can still go ultra Mega extreme diff before Zoro clinches victory.
I wld b more interested in that Hawkins vs Law fight coz well when hax meets hax it gotta b a spectacular showdown(though as for now I give it to law for reasons of Hawkins not showing much in the offensive n portrayal I think goes to Law).
Luffy vs Kid, I think it wld b kinda bland if Luffy was already outrightly superior than all his Wrst Gen rivals save for Teach, n becoz I'm not of the Luffy will b unchallenged EOS opinion I think there will b 3/4 pple in his tier n well if doesn't die then Kid ought to b one of them(Mid wld win tbe first two encounters but Luffy wld devastate in the third).
Killer vs Zoro, on sabody it seemed as though Zoro was given the edge by the Supanova which saw him n Killer n had something to say about both but I think Killer can still go ultra Mega extreme diff before Zoro clinches victory.
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Why are people saying Luffy and allies win? We know next to nothing about where these guys stand. That's why we should wait for feats.
Even if Luffy and allies win, I'm not of the belief he would win every time. Like if they don't know each others abilities its going to be on the smarter one or the matchup. But team 2 is underestimated because they lack feats.
Even if Luffy and allies win, I'm not of the belief he would win every time. Like if they don't know each others abilities its going to be on the smarter one or the matchup. But team 2 is underestimated because they lack feats.
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