[Discussion] Luffy Law and Zoro vs Fujitora

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Oh that's cute, look at this internet warrior trying to make some pathetic insults.:lol Tell me in what dictionary is rekt a actual word again? oh wait, it isn't. What an idiot man, trying to correct what isn't there to correct.

Get rekt you silly plep.


Rekt is not the past tense of wreck, stop making shit up. If someone uses "rekt" instead of "wrecked" that doesn't mean that everyone means it that way you stupid mongrel.
Not really trying to get into this grammar/spelling/whatever argument, but words/sounds dont need to be in a dictionary to have meaning. Most words were not in the dictionary before they were used. The dictionary just lists the definitions of words.
 

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The battle won't last much longer and I don't think those 3 will go against him. I have a feeling that Fujitora is planning to pull Garp 2.0.


If they were to fight him Fujitora wins in a plot restricted battle even if it's 3 VS 1.






That doesn't mean he couldn't dodge it,especially not when he was warned prior to launching the attack. Even if he's too slow for it, he can deflected it with gravity but for some reason he choose to took the attack and god knows what his reasons are. I wonder how much of a characters potential gets thrown out of window when Oda decides to pit the given character against Luffy.






Isn't that an alternating version of the word wrecked?
Maybe Fuji tried to use his gravity but couldn't. Wasn't all that debris still floating in the air? Maybe there is a limit to how much gravity he can have at once. Like with the debris, he uses normal gravity. To stop Luffy's punch, he'd use horizontal gravity. Fuji himself said that he was testing his new fruit abilities so he probably doesn't know all the weaknesses yet.
 

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Maybe Fuji tried to use his gravity but couldn't. Wasn't all that debris still floating in the air? Maybe there is a limit to how much gravity he can have at once. Like with the debris, he uses normal gravity. To stop Luffy's punch, he'd use horizontal gravity. Fuji himself said that he was testing his new fruit abilities so he probably doesn't know all the weaknesses yet.
Fuji isn't new to his fruit and he never bothered using gravity while defending even though he has the ability to do it. But ya that bold part makes sense.
 

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I dont even know what to say, the power inflation in OP has been so crappy and weird its actually funny, the fact that a G3 casual hit was able to hit Fujitora and leave a scar on his face and yet something even stronger than that like grizzly magnum was considered an attack to slow for an injured Doflamingo, and even someone like caesar was able to react to the hit even though he was completely off guard and was in a fight against Brownbeard.

What is more funny is that Luffy said that Kong gun of G4 was completely useless against some nameless monster in Ruskania let alone G3 but G3 was still able to send flying an admiral of the marines and leave a bruise on his face at that.

I dont even know how to rate some fights anymore in OP, if the writer has gotten to the extend that for the sake of the plot he doesnt really care anymore for neither power inflation or consistent power levels than so be it, ever since the timeskip power levels have always fallen in the second plan when it comes to a badass scene, a badass speech or even a great last page chapter to create tension, by default I think Fujitora should win but I dont even know anymore.
It's beginning of training Luffy who couldn't affect them with Kong Gon because his base stats weren't strong enough for the g4 mode to affect them with that attack, but pretty certain after 2years of training his base stats are much greater than before and thus he should be able to beat these monsters with Kong Gun. The first thing Rayleigh said after seeing him again in Sabaody is that he grew stronger despite only seeing a armament enhanced jet pistol, which suggest he was talking about his physical stats. Hell i'm pretty certain he can even beat them now without gear4. Besides, Doflamingo may actually be stronger than we predicted, still weaker than admirals, but not that far weaker. That's of course assuming we get a better explanation on Fujitora's behaviour in following chapter
 

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Isn't that an alternating version of the word wrecked?


No, it officially isn't, and thus anything that's officailly isn;t a word, can mean anything that the writer wants it to mean.


That's my whole point, by "rekt" I didn't mean the word "wrecked", but the dude is trying too hard to make it seem as if I did.
 

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Not really trying to get into this grammar/spelling/whatever argument, but words/sounds dont need to be in a dictionary to have meaning. Most words were not in the dictionary before they were used. The dictionary just lists the definitions of words.
Not really, that's just your opinion which I respect, but words that are officially not on any dictionary, can mean anything that the user wants them to be.


Olaba is not an actual word, yet I currently want it to mean:
"People that shit while having a cellphone on their hands"

See?
 

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It's beginning of training Luffy who couldn't affect them with Kong Gon because his base stats weren't strong enough for the g4 mode to affect them with that attack, but pretty certain after 2years of training his base stats are much greater than before and thus he should be able to beat these monsters with Kong Gun. The first thing Rayleigh said after seeing him again in Sabaody is that he grew stronger despite only seeing a armament enhanced jet pistol, which suggest he was talking about his physical stats. Hell i'm pretty certain he can even beat them now without gear4. Besides, Doflamingo may actually be stronger than we predicted, still weaker than admirals, but not that far weaker. That's of course assuming we get a better explanation on Fujitora's behaviour in following chapter
Even if that is the case, assuming that what u said really happened its still inconsistent, some paradise ruskania monsters shouldnt even be mentioned on a same sentence as a navy admiral and there is still the case of Caesar, Doflamingo and a lot more, G3 isnt some upper duper move Luffy uses these days at his strongest, G3 has been used against fodders at fishman island as well as against someone like Kraken or Chopper, he couldnt have grown massively in like some days in-verse that his G3 can be strong enough to send an admiral flying, that looked like a casual hit from Luffy against Fujitora, if the hit that caused the bruise on his face was some G4 named or unnamed tech then that would make a little bit sense and than we could just say that G4 is stronger then we tought, but its not the same case like G3 which we have seen to fail against enemies who should be weaker by a huge amount to a frigin admiral.

I just hope there is an explanation for that or Fujitora just wanted to take that head on otherwise this was done for pure tension purposes ignoring power levels and resulting in inconsistent writing, but I'll just wait for the next week for now.
 
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Even if that is the case, assuming that what u said really happened its still inconsistent, some paradise ruskania monsters shouldnt even be mentioned on a same sentence as a navy admiral and there is still the case of Caesar, Doflamingo and a lot more, G3 isnt some upper duper move Luffy uses these days at his strongest, G3 has been used against fodders at fishman island as well as against someone like Kraken or Chopper, he couldnt have grown massively in like some days in-verse that his G3 can be strong enough to send an admiral flying, that looked like a casual hit from Luffy against Fujitora, if the hit that caused the bruise on his face was some G4 named or unnamed tech then that would make a little bit sense and than we could just say that G4 is stronger then we tought, but its not the same case like G3 which we have seen to fail against enemies who should be weaker by a huge amount to a frigin admiral.

I just hope there is an explanation for that or Fujitora just wanted to take that head on otherwise this was done for pure tension purposes ignoring power levels and resulting in inconsistent writing, but I'll just wait for the next week for now.
Luffy is just inconsistent with his attacks. Gear 2nd at times looks super fast, other times Hyouzou and Gladius are intercepting it. Its simply a matter of putting more effort.


Remember everybody at Marineford vs Akainu at the end of the war ?

Numbers mean shit, Vista and Marco against Akainu did nothing.
This is sort of true and sorta not true.

When you take things for what they really are. You notice its Marco who is the only real top tier if that who was there, Vista imo at best is on the same level as Law and Luffy. There was also Crocodile there and some other commanders BUT if you take into account how weak the other commanders are it doesn't mean as much as you'd think it does, its still impressive but that doesn't mean Fujitora is not gonna struggle against Luffy, Law, Zoro.

Zoro alone makes up for all those commanders in strength he would be a top 4-5 commander in WB's crew. Luffy and Law would be top 3-4 commanders.

And then to top it all off we didn't get to see them go at it, all we saw was Marco and Akainu attacking each other while the rest were just standing behind Marco.

And the Doflamingo underestimation has been really high as of late, Doflamingo has been portrayed to be around Jozu's level, Jozu was able to damage Aokiji and fight with him before getting distracted. Doflamingo was also one of the few who broke out of Kuzan's ice. Luffy struggling against Doflamingo doesn't mean that he can't push an Admiral with the help of Law and Zoro.
 
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The punch was already on Caesar's face before he noticed and dodged it. Luffy was actually farther away before attacking a already warned Fujitora

And no, it wasn't gear stacked. It was a simple g3 move
Then why was there smoke all around the attack?

But he could so don't overrate G3 so much.



Fuji clearly let Luffy hit him...we are talking about admiral lvl character do u really thing admiral couldn't dodge that? Especially with CoO which Fuji has...
No he didn't, Fuji just wasn't quick enough to stop the attack. If Fuji wanted Luffy to hit him he would have never blocked the attack.
 

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Then why was there smoke all around the attack?



No he didn't, Fuji just wasn't quick enough to stop the attack. If Fuji wanted Luffy to hit him he would have never blocked the attack.
Oh come one one of the biggest things Fuji has is the CoO.Im saying BS if Fuji couldn't dodge that...

I dont even know what to say, the power inflation in OP has been so crappy and weird its actually funny, the fact that a G3 casual hit was able to hit Fujitora and leave a scar on his face and yet something even stronger than that like grizzly magnum was considered an attack to slow for an injured Doflamingo, and even someone like caesar was able to react to the hit even though he was completely off guard and was in a fight against Brownbeard.

What is more funny is that Luffy said that Kong gun of G4 was completely useless against some nameless monster in Ruskania let alone G3 but G3 was still able to send flying an admiral of the marines and leave a bruise on his face at that.

I dont even know how to rate some fights anymore in OP, if the writer has gotten to the extend that for the sake of the plot he doesnt really care anymore for neither power inflation or consistent power levels than so be it, ever since the timeskip power levels have always fallen in the second plan when it comes to a badass scene, a badass speech or even a great last page chapter to create tension, by default I think Fujitora should win but I dont even know anymore.
That's why I think Fuji let Luffy hit him...
 

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Oh come one one of the biggest things Fuji has is the CoO.Im saying BS if Fuji couldn't dodge that...
Maybe its like I have been saying this whole time, Luffy gets stronger as he fights. Despite that, its still an impressive feat on Fujitoras part. He managed to still block the attack despite how seemingly fast it took for it to land. You seem to be of the impression that because Fuji can't see and he's an admiral he should be capable of dodging any attack despite the situation.

Its still a fast attack with decent AoE.
 

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Maybe its like I have been saying this whole time, Luffy gets stronger as he fights. Despite that, its still an impressive feat on Fujitoras part. He managed to still block the attack despite how seemingly fast it took for it to land. You seem to be of the impression that because Fuji can't see and he's an admiral he should be capable of dodging any attack despite the situation.

Its still a fast attack with decent AoE.
But with CoO he indeed can "see" that was just Oda's way to show how Luffy grew over 2 years...
 

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The way i see it

- An admiral can low diff Law considering Doflamingo can mid diff Law, yet he is weaker than an admiral
- Luffy is probably more or less as strong as an admiral in g4, but it only last around 10-20minutes. Without it, he is more or less Law level with Law probably slightly edging out due to the haxness of his fruit
- Zoro is harder to rate because we've not seen him go all out, but we know for a fact that he should still be weaker than Luffy. We also know he still has at least Asura not shown until now, and the hypothetical All-Out Asura Zoro is actually pretty high(i won't say exactly where to avoid useless discussions)

So i see Luffy alone in the end giving an overall difficulty of medium to an admiral. Alongside Law, it could go to high especially with his haxness and versatility of his df and Fujitora isn't like his other logia collegues to avoid full damages. With Zoro, it can go either way with even the possibility of winning depending on his all-out
 
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