[Discussion] Luffy becoming a pirate is Monkey D garps' fault !!!!..

[Skull Knight]

Yeah I'm done here, you're not following what I'm saying at all. Your having your own coversation where you see me saying Luffy will never learn this information when all I've said is Luffy isn't actively seeking this information. I never once said Luffy WON'T learn about VC and WoD I said he's not interested in pursuing that knowledge, if it comes it comes Luffy's not going out of his way for that information.

The problem is u aren't accepting the fact that one who finds OP automatically learns abt the history n mystery of OPverse. You are saying Luffy doesn't care abt history as u mentioned here right:

Luffy doesn't want history lessons dictated to him.

This is incorrect in a no.of ways. Read carefully:
Luffy Surprised when he learns Kozuki's created the stones

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At the same time he asked what's written on them

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This itself proves he's interested in these stuff.

To further prove my point when Neko talked abt Marco Luffy was pissed abt Payback War

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Your argument that he doesn't care abt past immediately falls flat in the above scans.

Time n again he had shown interest in learning abt side characters past.

Luffy telling Usopp to stop from getting the information shows Luffy doesn't want to learn but would rather experience first hand.

Ok he stopped Ussop from knowing what OP is or where it is?
But he didn't stopped Robin when she asked "Will of D".
Does that mean he doesn't want to experience Will of D in his journey which he will learn immediately when he finds One Piece.
What argument is this?

No Luffy didn't really show any interest in Momo having VoAT he was confused by who's voice he was hearing he didn't show any interest in Momo hearing as well. Luffy didn't know whose voice it was but Momo figured out it was Zunisha, Luffy didn't ask him how he knew it or how he could hear the voice too, nothing.

Right after Momo had Zunisha smack Jack while Momo passed out and the scabbards talked about his power and if Oden knew he had it, Luffy comes up and says why the long faces to which inuarashi replies We're all in shock at what just happened then Luffy asks for food showing he's not concerned anymore with what just happened and is ready to move on. He's not interested in why Momo could hear or control Zunisha.

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Where do you see him showing interest in Momo's VoAT here?

Also Luffy's never even shown to wonder why he can hear things he just does and accepts that he does. He's never sought a reason for it because those things don't concern him.

Selective Reading I see.
Please go through the scans below:

1)Luffy hears Voice

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2) He understand he can only hear and it doesn't listens to him.

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3) He kept asking whose Voice is it?

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4) He sees Momo can hear it n can communicate wit it. He even tells momo to give Zunisha the right to fight back.

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If he wasn't interested he would have simply go G4 n fight Jack. But he let Momo took the charge.

The funny part is u brought the argument that once everything got settled Luffy was asking for Meat.
You completely ignored the scans before that.
Yes Luffy accepted he can hear voices. It's 2nd time that happened after all.

I believe he has already accepted that it's an innate power he got which he will understand better once he reaches Raftel.

Also, "U bluntly refusing the scans which denotes that to reach Raftel u need to learn abt history n unlock various mysteries around OPverse confirmed by Oden's backstory, Rayleigh and Dog." This is wrong. Roger and crew reached Laugh Tale and THEN learned the truth of the void and Will of D. The page literally says 'On that fateful day we learned everything. Roger laughed, we all laughed, we named the island Laugh Tale. You don't need to know the information before reaching Laugh Tale as that's where the information is located and will be learned once reaching Laugh Tale not before.

Ok so u finally agree that one who finds OP actually learns abt everything. It doesn't matter if they are seeking that info or not.
I mean when SHs reaches Raftel Zoro, Sanji, Nami all will learn abt Void Century n Will of D.
Even tho they haven't shown any interest presently, doesn't mean that in Raftel Arc they won't show interest in this stuff. As time n again it's seen that the past stories motivates SHs to fight back in that particular Arc.

I believe that sums up the argument from my side that Luffy has shown interest in learning past in each n every arc.

Back to the original post:
If Luffy was a Marine he won't be allowed to learn abt these stuffs as they are prohibited by WG.
He won't be able to communicate with Robin(only survivor who can read Poneglyphs) forget abt reaching Raftel.
And the entire premise of One Piece need to be changed. Rather we would have seen Luffy following the footsteps of Garp rather than Roger.

 

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The problem is u aren't accepting the fact that one who finds OP automatically learns abt the history n mystery of OPverse. You are saying Luffy doesn't care abt history as u mentioned here right:

How am I not accepting that once you find OP you learn about the Void and Will of D When I literally said it. This is exactly what I was talking about where you're having a completely separate conversation in your head than the one that's written here in this forum.

"I never once said Luffy WON'T learn about VC and WoD " "Roger and crew reached Laugh Tale and THEN learned the truth of the void and Will of D. The page literally says 'On that fateful day we learned everything. Roger laughed, we all laughed, we named the island Laugh Tale. You don't need to know the information before reaching Laugh Tale as that's where the information is located and will be learned once reaching Laugh Tale not before."

This is incorrect in a no.of ways. Read carefully:
Luffy Surprised when he learns Kozuki's created the stones

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You're confusing surprise and interest. There's a difference between being interested in something to search for it and being interested in something when you hear it. This is an example of exactly what I said about Luffy that if he comes across the information, good deal, but Luffy never went out of his way to find out Momo's family carved the stones because before he heard it he never cared about who made them. Once he learned someone he knew made them he was interested in that persons connection to them not any of the history and he mentions Robin showing he's asking for Robin.

At the same time he asked what's written on them

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This itself proves he's interested in these stuff.

To further prove my point when Neko talked abt Marco Luffy was pissed abt Payback War

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Your argument that he doesn't care abt past immediately falls flat in the above scans.

Time n again he had shown interest in learning abt side characters past.

Again these show Luffy cares about things as he learns them but doesn't take the time or effort to educate himself with any of this knowledge. Usopp even says it was huge news were you under a rock meaning it was common knowledge but Luffy still couldn't be bothered enough to see it he had to be told about it. Luffy himself is not pursuing any real information about the past, he didn't even care to learn about his own father, he's primarily focused on reaching the end of the Grand Line and enjoying his time doing it.

Again you are confusing having an interest once something is learned (which is what we see here from Luffy) and having an interest in something that drives you to search for it (which is what we have in Robin's interest in the VC) Luffy never takes an action specifically to learn details about the VC or WoD.

Ok he stopped Ussop from knowing what OP is or where it is?
But he didn't stopped Robin when she asked "Will of D".
Does that mean he doesn't want to experience Will of D in his journey which he will learn immediately when he finds One Piece.
What argument is this?

Yes that's exactly what it means. The ONLY thing Luffy really cares about(aside from his friends) in an ideological sense is finding OP himself. He doesn't care if someone tells him the Void history or the meaning of the Will of D before he gets to OP because the only 1 of those 3 things that concerns Luffy IS OP.

Selective Reading I see.
Please go through the scans below:

1)Luffy hears Voice

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2) He understand he can only hear and it doesn't listens to him.

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3) He kept asking whose Voice is it?

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4) He sees Momo can hear it n can communicate wit it. He even tells momo to give Zunisha the right to fight back.

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If he wasn't interested he would have simply go G4 n fight Jack. But he let Momo took the charge.

The funny part is u brought the argument that once everything got settled Luffy was asking for Meat.
You completely ignored the scans before that.
Yes Luffy accepted he can hear voices. It's 2nd time that happened after all.

And where in those pages is Luffy showing any curiosity as to why Momo can hear and or control Zunisha? There isn't any. Luffy realizing something isn't even remotely the same as being interested. What a reach. I don't think Luffy himself could reach that far.

You mean the scan where Neko says we gotta go get em and Luffy says OK go get em and Neko says back to him you're a cheeky one? That scan? Which also shows how he's already moved past the event. That scan?

I believe he has already accepted that it's an innate power he got which he will understand better once he reaches Raftel.


Ok so u finally agree that one who finds OP actually learns abt everything. It doesn't matter if they are seeking that info or not.
I mean when SHs reaches Raftel Zoro, Sanji, Nami all will learn abt Void Century n Will of D.
Even tho they haven't shown any interest presently, doesn't mean that in Raftel Arc they won't show interest in this stuff. As time n again it's seen that the past stories motivates SHs to fight back in that particular Arc.

I believe that sums up the argument from my side that Luffy has shown interest in learning past in each n every arc.

Back to the original post:
If Luffy was a Marine he won't be allowed to learn abt these stuffs as they are prohibited by WG.
He won't be able to communicate with Robin(only survivor who can read Poneglyphs) forget abt reaching Raftel.
And the entire premise of One Piece need to be changed. Rather we would have seen Luffy following the footsteps of Garp rather than Roger.

@ bold: It does matter because that's how this entire shitstorm started. You said 'Luffy being a marine would stop him from following his desires and said one of his desires was to learn about the VC' I replied back it was not one of his desires to learn about the VC. Then you started this whole thing where you acted like I said Luffy would never learn about the VC and continued to argue this stance despite me repeatedly telling you that's not what the discussion was. The discussion was and is "Does Luffy WANT to learn about the VC and WoD" and everything shown in the manga says he does not WANT to learn these things.