[Discussion] Luffy becoming a pirate is Monkey D garps' fault !!!!..

[minamoto]

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it's all about envirement you are raised in...


if Garp wanted luffy to be a Marine then he shoudl've raised him in marine envirement..but no..what garp did was give him to criminal with bounty named dadan ...that's how luffy became a spoiled brat..


and after luffy met shank his desire to become pirate grew more then ever..

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so why blame luffy for wanting to be pirate????...


note : however i believe that garp did that for good reason...maybe he had bad experience with raising his son dragon..so maybe thats why he gave luffy to dadan..


-my biggest one piece rant is luffy could've being a marine without ruining teh main one piece plots..cuz being pirate is kind bad idea for me...

 

[Like Naruto]

Lol even before shanks came luffy already wants to be a pirate thats why he trying to persuade shanks to let him join piate crew. And east blue is the most peaceful place of all the east south north and west. And also even garp knew back then that luffy was fated to be a pirate he told this during the introduction of the rock pirates on the manga.

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[HowDidIGetPrem]

I think he was betting on Luffy disliking the bandits

 

[minamoto]

Lol even before shanks came luffy already wants to be a pirate thats why he trying to persuade shanks to let him join piate crew. And east blue is the most peaceful place of all the east south north and west. And also even garp knew back then that luffy was fated to be a pirate he told this during the introduction of the rock pirates on the manga.

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imagine rok t eczebek is stil alive..

I think he was betting on Luffy disliking the bandits

too bad ...cuz it had teh oposzite efects..

 

[Skull Knight]

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it's all about envirement you are raised in...


if Garp wanted luffy to be a Marine then he shoudl've raised him in marine envirement..but no..what garp did was give him to criminal with bounty named dadan ...that's how luffy became a spoiled brat..


and after luffy met shank his desire to become pirate grew more then ever..

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so why blame luffy for wanting to be pirate????...


note : however i believe that garp did that for good reason...maybe he had bad experience with raising his son dragon..so maybe thats why he gave luffy to dadan..


-my biggest one piece rant is luffy could've being a marine without ruining teh main one piece plots..cuz being pirate is kind bad idea for me...

I feel everyone wanna be a Pirate after Rogers death. Luffy's decision to become a pirate is more likely that he's a reincarnation of Roger who came to finish what he couldn't in his previous life(my theory).

Also Marines/WG themselves are corrupt to the core.
They actively participated in Genocides all around in OPverse.

They have given a free pass to no. of Pirates to do as they please.

Luffy as a Marine won't be able to do as he please like
Hoping Islands,
Finding One Piece,
Learning abt Void Century,
Standing Infront of the Admirals, Entering Yonko territories, challenging WG, Prison break etc.
And without this a big part of his character goes out of the window.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I feel everyone wanna be a Pirate after Rogers death. Luffy's decision to become a pirate is more likely that he's a reincarnation of Roger who came to finish what he couldn't in his previous life(my theory).

Also Marines/WG themselves are corrupt to the core.
They actively participated in Genocides all around in OPverse.

They have given a free pass to no. of Pirates to do as they please.

Luffy as a Marine won't be able to do as he please like
Hoping Islands,
Finding One Piece,
Learning abt Void Century,
Standing Infront of the Admirals, Entering Yonko territories, challenging WG, Prison break etc.
And without this a big part of his character goes out of the window.

Luffy doesn't seem like he cares to learn about the void century at all

 

[minamoto]

Luffy doesn't seem like he cares to learn about the void century at all

that's one of rants and inconsitencies i always had...and guess wut???..

odda is gonna use teh DESTINY a$$pull to cover tis bs...

mangakas lie whats convenient to them..

 

[Skull Knight]

Luffy doesn't seem like he cares to learn about the void century at all

Without learning abt Void Century I don't think they can unlock the mystery relating wit ppl carrying 'D' in there name or why they are enemies of the Gods.

Roger Pirates knew abt Void Century n when Rayleigh said that he can tell it to Robin he exclaimed that they can't do anything abt it in there current state which means Luffy has to learn abt it to complete his journey like Roger did.

 

[minamoto]

Without learning abt Void Century I don't think they can unlock the mystery relating wit ppl carrying 'D' in there name or why they are enemies of the Gods.

Roger Pirates knew abt Void Century n when Rayleigh said that he can tell it to Robin he exclaimed that they can't do anything abt it in there current state which means Luffy has to learn abt it to complete his journey like Roger did.

this dont make sense at all..

 

[Skull Knight]

this dont make sense at all..

How it doesn't make sense? It's already in the manga lol

Robin asked Rayleigh what is will of D and Void Century?

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And Rayleigh replied

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He said that prolly when SHs will find abt Void Century they might reach to a different conclusion but right now they aren't ready.

Also Oda made it clear that they learned abt everything when Roger Conquered Grand Line that means SHs have to learn abt Void Century n stuff.

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Now it's still unclear what mysteries they unlocked but it's pretty evident that SHs have to go through the same experience to reach Raftel.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Without learning abt Void Century I don't think they can unlock the mystery relating wit ppl carrying 'D' in there name or why they are enemies of the Gods.

Roger Pirates knew abt Void Century n when Rayleigh said that he can tell it to Robin he exclaimed that they can't do anything abt it in there current state which means Luffy has to learn abt it to complete his journey like Roger did.

Again, these are things Luffy doesn't show any interest in. Yes we as readers want to know that information and will get it eventually in some manner but Luffy doesn't care about it, he's not gonna go out of his way to gain this information. Luckily Robin does.

 

[minamoto]

How it doesn't make sense? It's already in the manga lol

Robin asked Rayleigh what is will of D and Void Century?

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And Rayleigh replied

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He said that prolly when SHs will find abt Void Century they might reach to a different conclusion but right now they aren't ready.

Also Oda made it clear that they learned abt everything when Roger Conquered Grand Line that means SHs have to learn abt Void Century n stuff.

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Now it's still unclear what mysteries they unlocked but it's pretty evident that SHs have to go through the same experience to reach Raftel.

i not mean that..

 

[Skull Knight]

Again, these are things Luffy doesn't show any interest in. Yes we as readers want to know that information and will get it eventually in some manner but Luffy doesn't care about it, he's not gonna go out of his way to gain this information. Luckily Robin does.

When Roger Pirates conquered Raftel they learned about everything

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It's clearly written " On that fateful day we learned everything Void Century n Will of D".
This clearly shows that the moment u reach Raftel u unlock all the mysteries in OPverse.

Luffy's mission here is to find One Piece. Even tho Luffy hasn't shown any interest yet doesn't mean he don't wanna know abt Will of D and all other mysteries revolving around him.
Even Roger when started his journey said he just wanna turn world upside down. So saying Luffy doesn't care about Void Century n other stuff ain't right.

 

[Love Cook]

that's one of rants and inconsitencies i always had...and guess wut???..

odda is gonna use teh DESTINY a$$pull to cover tis bs...

mangakas lie whats convenient to them..

With your knife sharp wits, your story telling capabilities and the need to rush through a story as soon as possible. I think you would make an excellent children's book author for ages 0 - 2, the ones that don't require words.

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The amount of nonsense in this thread is unreal again. Apart from the obvious troll bait that Luffy shouldn't have become a pirate and completely undermining the story from chapter one. Are also your criticisms about the void era bullshit.

The amount of guts it takes to spit on Oda's work, calling him a liar using asspulls, while he has been meticulously crafting this story for over 20 years is staggering.

The act is getting old, come up with a new trick or actually try to participate in a good discussion. Change the font, remove the bold, listen to the spellcheck and you probably will have a better time here.

When Roger Pirates conquered Raftel they learned about everything

It's clearly written " On that fateful day we learned everything Void Century n Will of D".
This clearly shows that the moment u reach Raftel u unlock all the mysteries in OPverse.

Luffy's mission here is to find One Piece. Even tho Luffy hasn't shown any interest yet doesn't mean he don't wanna know abt Will of D and all other mysteries revolving around him.
Even Roger when started his journey said he just wanna turn world upside down. So saying Luffy doesn't care about Void Century n other stuff ain't right.

Oda uses Robin as the vehicle for the audience to learn about the void century. Luffy is just along for the ride. When all will be revealed of course he will be there and the WG will probably blame it on him. But he is not the driving force behind uncovering it. The last remaining surivor from Ohara is, and 'conveniently' that route is laid out by Roger and all the way to Raftel.

 

[minamoto]

With your knife sharp wits, your story telling capabilities and the need to rush through a story as soon as possible. I think you would make an excellent children's book author for ages 0 - 2, the ones that don't require words.

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The amount of nonsense in this thread is unreal again. Apart from the obvious troll bait that Luffy shouldn't have become a pirate and completely undermining the story from chapter one. Are also your criticisms about the void era bullshit.

The amount of guts it takes to spit on Oda's work, calling him a liar using asspulls, while he has been meticulously crafting this story for over 20 years is staggering.

The act is getting old, come up with a new trick or actually try to participate in a good discussion. Change the font, remove the bold, listen to the spellcheck and you probably will have a better time here.

that's ur job in animebase...to harass teh greatest minamoto...

when you can't counterargument me u start attacking my writing style...


i have right to criticize... even oda would welcome it...stop licking his feet..

 

[chopstickchakra]

When Roger Pirates conquered Raftel they learned about everything

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It's clearly written " On that fateful day we learned everything Void Century n Will of D".
This clearly shows that the moment u reach Raftel u unlock all the mysteries in OPverse.

Luffy's mission here is to find One Piece. Even tho Luffy hasn't shown any interest yet doesn't mean he don't wanna know abt Will of D and all other mysteries revolving around him.
Even Roger when started his journey said he just wanna turn world upside down. So saying Luffy doesn't care about Void Century n other stuff ain't right.

But he doesn't he's shown time and time again he doesn't care about learning things like that, if he learns it nice if not he's not hurt by it at all. If it ended up they didn't learn anything at Laugh Tale for whatever reason it wouldn't effect Luffy one bit.

I brought this up because you said Luffy being a Marine would prevent him from doing what he wanted and listed learning about the Void Century and Will of D among the things Luffy 'wants' to do and I'm just pointing out that Luffy doesn't actually 'want' to learn those things, not that he won't eventually. Of course he will but it's of no concern to him.

 

[Skull Knight]

But he doesn't he's shown time and time again he doesn't care about learning things like that, if he learns it nice if not he's not hurt by it at all. If it ended up they didn't learn anything at Laugh Tale for whatever reason it wouldn't effect Luffy one bit.

As the scan I posted confirms that they learned about everything in OPverse means that when Luffy reaches at Raftel he will learn abt Will of D n Void Century.
This was also confirmed by Dog that they need to learn abt ancient Kingdom/history before reaching Raftel.
We have seen Luffy carefully hears the stories of the side characters.

Do u think that at the end of Grandline when the greatest mystery of OPverse is in front of Luffy - he will say Na I don't want to hear it as I only want to become Pirate king?
Obviously he will learn the history there.
This freedom he's enjoying only bcus he's a pirate as they enjoy far more freedom in OPverse than any other characters we have seen.

I brought this up because you said Luffy being a Marine would prevent him from doing what he wanted and listed learning about the Void Century and Will of D among the things Luffy 'wants' to do and I'm just pointing out that Luffy doesn't actually 'want' to learn those things, not that he won't eventually. Of course he will but it's of no concern to him.

Marines are prolly not being allowed by WG to go anywhere near Poneglyphs forget abt going to Raftel.
I believe this is one of the reason why Garp never reached Raftel.

 

[chopstickchakra]

As the scan I posted confirms that they learned about everything in OPverse means that when Luffy reaches at Raftel he will learn abt Will of D n Void Century.
This was also confirmed by Dog that they need to learn abt ancient Kingdom/history before reaching Raftel.
We have seen Luffy carefully hears the stories of the side characters.

Do u think that at the end of Grandline when the greatest mystery of OPverse is in front of Luffy - he will say Na I don't want to hear it as I only want to become Pirate king?
Obviously he will learn the history there.
This freedom he's enjoying only bcus he's a pirate as they enjoy far more freedom in OPverse than any other characters we have seen.


Marines are prolly not being allowed by WG to go anywhere near Poneglyphs forget abt going to Raftel.
I believe this is one of the reason why Garp never reached Raftel.

"As the scan I posted confirms that they learned about everything in OPverse means that when Luffy reaches at Raftel he will learn abt Will of D n Void Century."

NO ONE'S SAYING THEY DIDN'T OR THE SH'S WON'T. Seriously are you not understanding what I'm saying or are you just trying to argue by saying the same thing over and over until I stop replying so you can feel right?

"Do u think that at the end of Grandline when the greatest mystery of OPverse is in front of Luffy - he will say Na I don't want to hear it as I only want to become Pirate king?"

Given everything we've seen from him personality wise, yeah more or less. He'll overhear it but I highly doubt he'll be that interested or excited about it. Like when Nojiko tried to explain Nami's history Luffy didn't care, not because he didn't care about Nami but because he doesn't care about the past or history or how it effects his future he just wants to experience the now.

"This freedom he's enjoying only bcus he's a pirate as they enjoy far more freedom in OPverse than any other characters we have seen"

No one's arguing otherwise....

I'm starting to think we're not really having the same discussion.

 

[Skull Knight]

NO ONE'S SAYING THEY DIDN'T OR THE SH'S WON'T. Seriously are you not understanding what I'm saying or are you just trying to argue by saying the same thing over and over until I stop replying so you can feel right?



Given everything we've seen from him personality wise, yeah more or less. He'll overhear it but I highly doubt he'll be that interested or excited about it. Like when Nojiko tried to explain Nami's history Luffy didn't care, not because he didn't care about Nami but because he doesn't care about the past or history or how it effects his future he just wants to experience the now.


No one's arguing otherwise....

I'm starting to think we're not really having the same discussion.

I guess u only seeing the shallow side of Luffy's nature.
Like he's only interested in eating meat and want to become PK.

U bluntly refusing the scans which denotes that to reach Raftel u need to learn abt history n unlock various mysteries around OPverse confirmed by Oden's backstory, Rayleigh and Dog.

Time and again Oda has shown Luffy hearing stories n experiences of various characters. Like;

1) When Rayleigh was explaining about Roger Pirates wasn't he listening?
-Didnt he said to Ussop he will quit being a pirate if he asks what or where OP is?

2) At Zou wasn't he perplexed when Zunisha was trying to speak wit Momo.
Didn't he showed interest?
Even for a short period yet he wants to knew whose voice he was hearing.


This itself confirms Luffy has shown interest in these stuffs.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I guess u only seeing the shallow side of Luffy's nature.
Like he's only interested in eating meat and want to become PK.

U bluntly refusing the scans which denotes that to reach Raftel u need to learn abt history n unlock various mysteries around OPverse confirmed by Oden's backstory, Rayleigh and Dog.

Time and again Oda has shown Luffy hearing stories n experiences of various characters. Like;

1) When Rayleigh was explaining about Roger Pirates wasn't he listening?
-Didnt he said to Ussop he will quit being a pirate if he asks what or where OP is?

2) At Zou wasn't he perplexed when Zunisha was trying to speak wit Momo.
Didn't he showed interest?
Even for a short period yet he wants to knew whose voice he was hearing.


This itself confirms Luffy has shown interest in these stuffs.

Yeah I'm done here, you're not following what I'm saying at all. Your having your own coversation where you see me saying Luffy will never learn this information when all I've said is Luffy isn't actively seeking this information. I never once said Luffy WON'T learn about VC and WoD I said he's not interested in pursuing that knowledge, if it comes it comes Luffy's not going out of his way for that information.

Luffy telling Usopp to stop from getting the information shows Luffy doesn't want to learn but would rather experience first hand. Luffy doesn't want history lessons dictated to him.

No Luffy didn't really show any interest in Momo having VoAT he was confused by who's voice he was hearing he didn't show any interest in Momo hearing as well. Luffy didn't know whose voice it was but Momo figured out it was Zunisha, Luffy didn't ask him how he knew it or how he could hear the voice too, nothing.

Right after Momo had Zunisha smack Jack while Momo passed out and the scabbards talked about his power and if Oden knew he had it, Luffy comes up and says why the long faces to which inuarashi replies We're all in shock at what just happened then Luffy asks for food showing he's not concerned anymore with what just happened and is ready to move on. He's not interested in why Momo could hear or control Zunisha.

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Where do you see him showing interest in Momo's VoAT here?

Also Luffy's never even shown to wonder why he can hear things he just does and accepts that he does. He's never sought a reason for it because those things don't concern him.

Also, "U bluntly refusing the scans which denotes that to reach Raftel u need to learn abt history n unlock various mysteries around OPverse confirmed by Oden's backstory, Rayleigh and Dog." This is wrong. Roger and crew reached Laugh Tale and THEN learned the truth of the void and Will of D. The page literally says 'On that fateful day we learned everything. Roger laughed, we all laughed, we named the island Laugh Tale. You don't need to know the information before reaching Laugh Tale as that's where the information is located and will be learned once reaching Laugh Tale not before.