[VS] Luffy and Zoro vs Jozu and Vista

[Uzumaki Macho]

Doubt Luffy has the firepower to break through diamond, let alone Haki enforced one. And when Mr. 1 asked Zoro "what's next, diamonds!??", Zoro replied "no need". Implying he wasn't going to learn how to cut through sheer diamond near future.

...And then there's Vista.

Wait, so you think Luffy can't break regular diamond? You are really underestimating Luffy's strength.

 

[Hexuze]

Vista is the best swordsman among WB Pirates and one who put good fight to Mihawk (probably not at full power). I think that already put him as one of the best swordsman around. I doubt Zoro is on that level already.

Luffy and Jozu can go either way, tho I would lean toward Jozu.

So WB Commanders.

Mihawk wasn't even paying attention that much XD He was focused on Luffy and how he has the biggest power in MF. I agree though, I also doubt if Zoro is on that level. Besides, who knows what the WB pirates were doing over the TS.

 

[bajram]

This logic right here is why the OP Vs threads need help. Mihawk was able to take on Shanks does that mean other warlords can? Not a chance. G4 Luffy has the speed and the DC to defeat Jozu like i said multiple GODSLED's to the face ends him diamond armor or not.​

That's baseless.

 

[ssjelf]

The whole argument comes down to who has better haki, luffy and zoro or jozu and vista. If luffy has better haki than jozu then jozud diamond doesnt matter. Yes jozu tanked mihawks slash (only in the anime did he throw it up) but we dont know it mihawk used haki in the slash or not. Personally i still think luffys haki isnt great enough to beat jozus meaning he would be diamond if hit by luffy and luffy cannot break diamond.

Vista vs zoro is hard to say because we havent seen zoro go all out but I believe vista has better swordsmanship for now but I am unsure of his haki gotta give it to vista though because he held his own against mihawk.

Commanders take this high diff.

 

[Stark]

How is this even debatable? WB veteran pirates who have been sailing on the strongest of seas for nearly two or over two decades fighting against kids, Vista fought on par with Mihawk who is superior to Zoro and Aokiji smoked Luffy and Jozu fought on par with Aokiji losing an arm while distracted. I give it to WB pirates high diff only because of this unlimited G4 buffoonery. Comparing these duos is just dumb, their experience and power exceeds the Strawhats as of now, maybe another time skip.

 

[ToshiZO]

Unlimited Gear 4? Wow then ok.... I can see Luffy taking Jozu for sure then. I consider Jozu to be around the same level as Doflamingo, even if he isn't there shouldn't be that big a disparity between them. Vista? He should be around Zoro's level, Zoro can possibly beat him and if not, then he survives long enough for Luffy to beat Jozu, and then they proceed to make mince meat out of him.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Jozu not being able to keep up with Luffy's speed is a joke, he fought Kuzan for an extended period of time off screen and only sustain injury once he was distracted mean he was able to keep up with an Admiral. So unless Luffy is badly outpseed Top Tiers Jozu is keeping up with Luffy. It's funny you bring up Doflamingo not being able to react to G4 when he odes it here

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So Kuzan is a speedster now? Just because he was an admiral doesn't mean he's going to be faster than anyone that isn't admiral level enough with that poo ass logic. Yes he did infact start to keep up with Luffy but that doesn't change the fact that he was still blitzed beyond recognition earlier. Also what makes you think Jozu reactions are even as fast a DD's?​

Jozu is not getting blitzed, not is godsled wrecking him, his diamond allowed his to take a cut from Mihawk long enough so he could throw it up with no damage whatsoever. Mihawk's slash is more impressive than anything Luffy has done in the manga maybe with the exception of King Kong Gun. DD's string weren't able to cut simply because he retained his rubber properties while being covered in haki, plus the fact you think Vista won't be able to produce attack stroner than DD's normal moves is laughable. Vista was keeping up to pace with Mihawk and Mihawk was the one who even called off their duel, the fact you think Luffy is blizting people capable of fighting Top Tier isa joke.

He was never touched by the slash. .

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. I beg to differ. Im pretty sure GODSLED> Casual slash from Mihawk. Which would also render Jozu diamond punches useless although he would never land them to begin with. I never said Luffy would blitz Vista. Jozu reactions are laughable he got negged by the Parasite string while other real top tiers countered it effortlessly like i said before Jozu reactions are shit and his Diamond is getting plowed right through Via multiple GODSLEDS.

Plus there's the fact that Jozu only had one arm Lmao.​

How is this even debatable? WB veteran pirates who have been sailing on the strongest of seas for nearly two or over two decades fighting against kids, Vista fought on par with Mihawk who is superior to Zoro and Aokiji smoked Luffy and Jozu fought on par with Aokiji losing an arm while distracted. I give it to WB pirates high diff only because of this unlimited G4 buffoonery. Comparing these duos is just dumb, their experience and power exceeds the Strawhats as of now, maybe another time skip.

Kids or not Luffy has shown feats suggesting he can take Jozu and Vista who is being overrated as hell from a silly little clash with Mihawk that Mihawk wasn't even taking serious. Yes Aokiji beat Luffy pre Gear and that was part 1 luffy which makes that point that much more irrelevant.​

 

[ToshiZO]

Lol people acting like Gear 4 Luffy is not easily a top tier. Wake up, Gear 4 made Doflamingo look like a punching bag, he couldn't even relatively keep up.

 

[Stark]

Kids or not Luffy has shown feats suggesting he can take Jozu and Vista who is being overrated as hell from a silly little clash with Mihawk that Mihawk wasn't even taking serious. Yes Aokiji beat Luffy pre Gear and that was part 1 luffy which makes that point that much more irrelevant.​

A silly little clash would benefit your argument, I suppose Mihawk and Shanks had a few silly little clashes as well. Luffy isn't punching through haki reinforced diamond when he's only been training for two years on an island against "silly" monsters, oh wait he trained with Rayleigh so he automatically better, right.. Luffy has been sailing around for a few months whereas Jozu and Vista have been around for years gaining x10 the experience and power by pirating with a Yonko. You can post all the cute little feats of Luffy you want, you're comparing children to men.

Lol people acting like Gear 4 Luffy is not easily a top tier. Wake up, Gear 4 made Doflamingo look like a punching bag, he couldn't even relatively keep up.

Oh yeah cause he didn't get right back in the fight as Luffy deflated helplessly clutched in someones arms running for 10 minutes., but sure he's strong just not as strong as you all praise him to be.

 

[ToshiZO]

Oh yeah cause he didn't get right back in the fight as Luffy deflated helplessly clutched in someones arms running for 10 minutes., but sure he's strong just not as strong as you all praise him to be.

What in the world are you talking about? G4 is unlimited in this thread. It's like you're completely ignoring the most important thing or you can't read.

 

[Stark]

What in the world are you talking about? G4 is unlimited in this thread. It's like you're completely ignoring the most important thing or you can't read.

I'm referring to your post of Luffy Gear 4 being top tier, sure he's strong but without these conditions it has its risks and drawbacks as do most powerful techniques, Unlimited Gear 4 Luffy doesn't exist outside of this thread so I was addressing your post realistically, and realistically Gear 4 Luffy as is is still inferior to many top tier pirates. I can read, I believe your comprehension skills are lacking.

 

[-Akuma-]

So Kuzan is a speedster now? Just because he was an admiral doesn't mean he's going to be faster than anyone that isn't admiral level enough with that poo ass logic. Yes he did infact start to keep up with Luffy but that doesn't change the fact that he was still blitzed beyond recognition earlier. Also what makes you think Jozu reactions are even as fast a DD's?​

He's fast enough to keep up with other Top Tiers who should be as fast as DD via power scaling, the fact you think Luffy would be able to out speed a top tier badly is piss poo. While Kuzan's fighting speed is undoubtably faster than DD's and Jozu kept pace with him fine. Being able to fight against a Top Tier and not badly get outpaced is more than enough evidence to show Jozu will be fine, top tiers have crazy striking speed and Jozu was able to keep up with that. The fact you think Luffy is blizting someone who's arguably a low Top Tier is damn hysterical.

He was never touched by the slash. .

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. I beg to differ. Im pretty sure GODSLED> Casual slash from Mihawk. Which would also render Jozu diamond punches useless although he would never land them to begin with. I never said Luffy would blitz Vista. Jozu reactions are laughable he got negged by the Parasite string while other real top tiers countered it effortlessly like i said before Jozu reactions are shit and his Diamond is getting plowed right through Via multiple GODSLEDS.

Plus there's the fact that Jozu only had one arm Lmao.​

Mihawk's casual slash is the one that cut in half the apparently mountain sized ice tsunami, the slash he sent at WB was a lot more serious as it was to test the gap in their power in comparison to Whitebeard's. So no I doubt godsled is stronger s than the slash Jozu's blocked, if godsled was stronger it's not a whole lot stronger and considering Jozu took no damage from the slash he's taking no significant damage from the godsled. Jozu got negged by the parasite string when he wasn't even paying attention to Doflamingo.....LOL what other Top Tier has DD even attempted parasite on. Jozu's reaction are good enough for him to fight Kuzan off screen and sustain no damage.

 

[ToshiZO]

I'm referring to your post of Luffy Gear 4 being top tier, sure he's strong but without these conditions it has its risks and drawbacks as do most powerful techniques, Unlimited Gear 4 Luffy doesn't exist outside of this thread so I was addressing your post realistically, and realistically Gear 4 Luffy as is is still inferior to many top tier pirates. I can read, I believe your comprehension skills are lacking.

The irony. I said G4 Luffy is top tier. Not Luffy as he is right now. Luffy isn't even stronger than Doflamingo as he is. But during G4 he is easily a bona fide Top Tier. He made a guy who many consider a low top tier (including me), look like a joke.

 

[A v i]

Can't see SH's winning this.

 

[Relostar Devil]

Vista will fodder luffy and zoro is not srtong either atm, so lets say vista solos. No need for backup jozu!!

 

[Relostar Devil]

Lol people acting like Gear 4 Luffy is not easily a top tier. Wake up, Gear 4 made Doflamingo look like a punching bag, he couldn't even relatively keep up.

Thats bcoz doffy was underestimating him at that tym and if he gets to fight with him again, them i'm pretty sure doffy will encounter each and every attack easily and attacks like overheat can give xtremely hard tym to G4 luffy.

 

[OG sama]

Thats bcoz doffy was underestimating him at that tym and if he gets to fight with him again, them i'm pretty sure doffy will encounter each and every attack easily and attacks like overheat can give xtremely hard tym to G4 luffy.

Doffy couldn't even touch Luffy with his awakening while he was in G4 for like 20 minutes and G2 dodged overheat. If they fought again nothing will change because Doflamingo isn't fast or strong enough.

Doffy pulled out all his best attacks and they failed to connect, Doffy would have been grass if it wasn't for the time limit.

 

[Relostar Devil]

Doffy couldn't even touch Luffy with his awakening while he was in G4 for like 20 minutes and G2 dodged overheat. If they fought again nothing will change because Doflamingo isn't fast or strong enough.

Doffy pulled out all his best attacks and they failed to connect, Doffy would have been grass if it wasn't for the time limit.

doffy was punched before he can attack him with awakening and doffy has new trick left which he didn't use during fighting and G4 is not as fast as G2 so overheat might kill him. And doffy really underestimated him from the moment luffy gone into air.

 

[OG sama]

doffy was punched before he can attack him with awakening and doffy has new trick left which he didn't use during fighting and G4 is not as fast as G2 so overheat might kill him. And doffy really underestimated him from the moment luffy gone into air.

Lies, Doffy pulled out all his best attacks and they failed. Unless you can prove otherwise, oh wait you can't, your just underrating G4, Doffy not using his best attack is baseless.

His strongest attack is called God thread for crying out loud.

And how did he underestimate G4? He got sent on a tour all through Dressrosa by it. He even called its power obscene.

KKG punched through the holy threads and then punched Doflamingo.

 

[Relostar Devil]

Lies, Doffy pulled out all his best attacks and they failed. Unless you can prove otherwise, oh wait you can't, your just underrating G4, Doffy not using his best attack is baseless.

His strongest attack is called God thread for crying out loud.

And how did he underestimate G4? He got sent on a tour all through Dressrosa by it. He even called its power obscene.

KKG punched through the holy threads and then punched Doflamingo.

Luffy rested for 10 mins. where doffy was on wrath for all the time. LUffy used a lot of help from lot of people. Doffy was still fine after getting so much punches from G4. Doffy used god thread is a proof that he had other attacks up in the sleeves. Do you really think that a person like him knows only 5 attacks(Birdcage,parasite,hawkstrings,god thread,overheat). if fight drags for little more he will surely use other attacks too.