[VS] Lucci vs Crocodile

[Punk Hazard]

Damn how many times do I have to prove this wrong, I swear I've had the same debate with you on this. It makes him forget about fatigue for an entire day

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Not that it makes him forget about previous fatigue only. So yea, there it is, an adrenaline boosted Luffy tanked Sengoku's hit.

Fatigue or not, Luffy's body still took a blow from Sengoku and didn't immediately collapse unable to move. We've seen people's body's stop working despite them being able to bear the pain, such as Luffy, Zoro, and Zephyr if you wanna count Film Z.

A major part of Chopper's plan to take down Oars was even that they could still break his body even if it couldn't feel pain, such as when they drilled a hole through his shoulder and he couldn't move his arm and when they broke his spine. Just because Luffy can't feel the fatigue and pain, doesn't mean that his body isn't still damaged, and his body was strong enough to take Sengoku's punch and keep functioning. It's the same kind of thing with Crocodile.

 

[ToshiZO]

Fatigue or not, Luffy's body still took a blow from Sengoku and didn't immediately collapse unable to move. We've seen people's body's stop working despite them being able to bear the pain, such as Luffy, Zoro, and Zephyr if you wanna count Film Z.

A major part of Chopper's plan to take down Oars was even that they could still break his body even if it couldn't feel pain, such as when they drilled a hole through his shoulder and he couldn't move his arm and when they broke his spine. Just because Luffy can't feel the fatigue and pain, doesn't mean that his body isn't still damaged, and his body was strong enough to take Sengoku's punch and keep functioning. It's the same kind of thing with Crocodile.

Ok? His body was damaged but he was able to continue on because he was boosted by adrenaline. Unless it broke his spine or bones rendering him immobile, this doesn't mean anything.

Would Luffy be able to get back up if he wasn't boosted via adrenaline? We will never know, hence that is not his own endurance feat.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Ok? His body was damaged but he was able to continue on because he was boosted by adrenaline. Unless it broke his spine or bones rendering him immobile, this doesn't mean anything.

Would Luffy be able to get back up if he wasn't boosted via adrenaline? We will never know, hence that is not his own endurance feat.

That's not how it works. Adrenaline or not, if a punch breaks your bones and damages your muscles, you aren't moving. Luffy's body was tough enough to take Sengoku's punch and his body didn't immediately shatter, yet we still take him as way below Sengoku's level. Similarly, Crocodile can still be weak as shit and take a Brilliant Punk without his body breaking. It's impressive that his body didn't immediately get damaged to the point that he couldn't move anymore, but it's not that impressive.

 

[ToshiZO]

That's not how it works. Adrenaline or not, if a punch breaks your bones and damages your muscles, you aren't moving. Luffy's body was tough enough to take Sengoku's punch and his body didn't immediately shatter, yet we still take him as way below Sengoku's level. Similarly, Crocodile can still be weak as shit and take a Brilliant Punk without his body breaking. It's impressive that his body didn't immediately get damaged to the point that he couldn't move anymore, but it's not that impressive.

Again...Ok?

Kizaru rendered Luffy immobile broken bones or not, adrenaline allowed him to ignore that.

That same kick had Luffy unable to move a muscle. [

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Adrenaline boost allowed him to fight like nothing happened. [

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] did it heal his bones lmfao?

Past that, I do not give a rats ass what you think. The point is that was an assisted endurance feat, not Luffy's own since he was on an adrenaline high.







Also now that I actually read your post, lmfao you don't have any idea what an endurance feat is, has nothing to do with your body breaking (that is durability) has everything to do with fighting on after taking damage.

Brilliant punk should have rendered Crocodile on the floor unable to move, instead Crocodile tanked it by landing immediately. [

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To compare, an alabasta Luffy could make Crocodile go white eyed after a hit and send him to the floor [

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Compare that to Brilliant Punk which is >>>>>>>>>>> x infinity > an Alabasta Luffy's Bazooka

Croc would have been in his grave after that hit, a similar hit to one that could make even an Admiral bleed [

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Forget that, he handled Brilliant Punk much better than a pre gears Bazooka lmfao. That is an endurance feat, and yes it is impressive as shit.

So impressive it might as well be an outlier, but taking it into account the wind from a missed brilliant punk would destroy a pacifista so the entire CP9 can sit there and attack Crocodile all day, they wouldn't tickle him.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Nope. Just because I never posted saying Lucci can't touch Croc doesn't mean I think he can touch Croc. Don't assume my viewpoints.

So questioning is assumption now? Interesting.

So? Did my omission of how Lucci would win make any of the things I said about Croc not being able to injure Lucci false? No.

It did not but they're baseless assumptions anyway.

Posts: Crocodile defeats Lucci

Me: Crocodile is too slow to actually hit Lucci, so he can't actually win.

You: You challenged nothing.

Good job.

You didn't challenge anything you simply disagreed with it, you can disagree with something and not challenge(which you did when you didn't present a counter point) You could have said/given examples why you think Lucci was too fast to hit, like he kept up w/ G2 Luffy but you didn't even do that. You just said "nu-uh" you didn't even actually address any speed examples for Croc. And for the record of speed, Croc was able to get up on WB in the middle of a war, his speed's not that lacking.

I said Croc can win IF he lands a Barchan, but that in all likelihood he wouldn't hit that(my challenge) due to the fact that Lucci is too fast for Crocodile(my support).
So what exactly are you missing here?

That's a claim not support of your claim. You said Croc couldn't hit him(likely) because of his speed, that's a claim that you gave no support, example or reason for other than it's what you think.

Uhmmmm Rob Lucci doesn't need to win for Crocodile to have no way to win. A draw is a concept that exists. Also known as a tie, deadlock, and no contest, you can google it if you're still confused.

See the funny thing about that is you didn't call draw until now. You said Croc can't win and never touched on if Lucci could win or not(the original reason for the original question)

I claimed Croc can't win based on the facts that:

1. Croc only has one thing that can feasible hurt Lucci

Unfounded but continue,

2. Croc is too slow to ever land this hit on Lucci

Conjecture.

Again, a draw is a thing. Neither of them wins without Lucci bypassing Croc's Logia intangibility.

 

[Punk Hazard]

So questioning is assumption now? Interesting.

In this case, yes. You wouldn't ask me how Lucci can hit Crocodile if you didn't assume I thought Lucci had some way of doing that.

It did not but they're baseless assumptions anyway.

The lengths people will go to save face lmao. You really think that someone needs to debate this? Crocodile's speed feats max out at tagging Alabasta Luffy. Lucci kept up with and even outspeed Gear Second Luffy, a speed Crocodile has never displayed. You need someone to tell this to you? Really?

You didn't challenge anything you simply disagreed with it

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Do you need more, or are you done with this buffoonery?

you can disagree with something and not challenge(which you did when you didn't present a counter point)

The counterpoint was that Lucci is too fast to be hit by Crocodile.

You could have said/given examples why you think Lucci was too fast to hit, like he kept up w/ G2 Luffy but you didn't even do that.

I didn't think there was anyone that knew anything about the manga needed to have that explained to them. Clearly you're full of surprises.

You just said "nu-uh" you didn't even actually address any speed examples for Croc. And for the record of speed, Croc was able to get up on WB in the middle of a war, his speed's not that lacking.

Get up on Whitebeard? lmaoooooooooooo

That's a claim not support of your claim.

Yeah no, you don't get to tell me what part of my argument is what. Sorry.

See the funny thing about that is you didn't call draw until now.

So what? That doesn't mean I didn't consider it a draw until then. Again, stop being so presumptuous and you wouldn't end up asking stupid questions.

Unfounded but continue,

What does Croc have that can hurt Lucci? His strongest attack was punched through by base Luffy, who is countless times stronger than Luffy. What does Crocodile have that can cause damage to someone like that?

 

[Tomato God]

Riker how does lucci win if he cat hit him?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Riker how does lucci win if he cat hit him?

Are y'all retarded. I said unless Lucci gets a way to hit him(like being soaked in blood or water) he wouldn't and it'd be a draw

 

[Tomato God]

Are y'all retarded. I said unless Lucci gets a way to hit him(like being soaked in blood or water) he wouldn't and it'd be a draw

That post said win

 

[Punk Hazard]

That post said win

Yes? If Lucci has no way to hit Crocodile, he can't win.

 

[chopstickchakra]

In this case, yes. You wouldn't ask me how Lucci can hit Crocodile if you didn't assume I thought Lucci had some way of doing that.



The lengths people will go to save face lmao. You really think that someone needs to debate this? Crocodile's speed feats max out at tagging Alabasta Luffy. Lucci kept up with and even outspeed Gear Second Luffy, a speed Crocodile has never displayed. You need someone to tell this to you? Really?



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noun
1.
a call to take part in a contest or competition, especially a duel.
"he accepted the challenge"
synonyms: dare, provocation; summons
"he accepted the challenge"
2.
an objection or query as to the truth of something, often with an implicit demand for proof.
"a challenge to the legality of the order"
synonyms: test, questioning, dispute, stand, opposition, confrontation
"a challenge to his leadership"
verb
1.
invite (someone) to engage in a contest.
"he challenged one of my men to a duel"
2.
dispute the truth or validity of.
"employees challenged the company's requirement"
synonyms: question, disagree with, dispute, take issue with, protest against, call into question, object to
"we challenged their statistics"

dis·pute
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1.
a disagreement, argument, or debate.
"a territorial dispute between the two countries"
synonyms: debate, discussion, disputation, argument, controversy, disagreement, quarreling, dissension, conflict, friction, strife, discord More
verb

Do you need more, or are you done with this buffoonery?



The counterpoint was that Lucci is too fast to be hit by Crocodile.



I didn't think there was anyone that knew anything about the manga needed to have that explained to them. Clearly you're full of surprises.


Get up on Whitebeard? lmaoooooooooooo


Yeah no, you don't get to tell me what part of my argument is what. Sorry.


So what? That doesn't mean I didn't consider it a draw until then. Again, stop being so presumptuous and you wouldn't end up asking stupid questions.



What does Croc have that can hurt Lucci? His strongest attack was punched through by base Luffy, who is countless times stronger than Luffy. What does Crocodile have that can cause damage to someone like that?

First of all I'm not arguing parts of your argument the definitions of those parts of speech are.

Secondly you're making the common mistake that part 1 characters have to adhere to their previous showing and any growth should be ignored. Croc was considerably better at MF than he was in his Alabasta showing.

His attack saved Ace in the time of a sword swing and how everyone was reacting we can safely presume the attack started after the execution swings, the attack by Croc reached Ace before Marco who wasn't much further away. He was fast enough to clash with Doffy. Luffy had to go into Gear2 to stop Croc's attack on WB(and based on other posts you've made, if he did it then, then that's what he had to do in order to accomplish the feat so don't bother with a Luffy could have stopped it in base if he wanted) Yes WB could have stopped it that's not the point, the point is Croc got in on him quick and was able to ddodge a G2 attack. Don't believe me? The anime company agrees

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watch 1:10 to 1:12 at .25 speed, you see Croc move his head and there's no sand effect on his head when jumping back. Also WB was surprised by Croc's speed in the manga too

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He may not have felt threatened but he was surprised.

Croc took a hit from Jozu at MF who was stronger than Luffy at MF who was stronger than EL Luffy and he just dropped to a knee. So even if Lucci could find a way to do damage he'd have to land a significant amount of hits to have a big impact.

Why do you keep asking how can Croc hurt Lucci when you yourself even presented a way? We already know one way and he could get a lucky or a good hit in on any of his attacks. No intel means that one time Lucci goes in could be the end by your own method. You keep bringin up how could Croc win like it's evidence of anything.