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Screw all the power haters! I don't know why we live in an age where everyone hates power and action , but no matter. I just want to see if there is anyone on this base besides myself that actually enjoys power instead of hating on it and desiring everyone to remain as weak as part 1 Naruto. Is there , or am I the only one? On a side note: I hate how people see the tattoos and automatically assume that it was a handout and that it wasn't trained for. We don't know how those tattoos were obtained. Anyway:

Let all of my fellow power lovers respond here.

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I like power since it means my the series I support can sh*t on the competition. Hate ass pulls though
 

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How do you work hard for a tatoo dude? You obviously get it from someone. You can train for a mark now?

Some people even throw logic out of the window just to defend their fave. That's quite pathetic.
 

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Sakura = uselessness = burden = suckura = trash = garbage = queen hinata's slave

OT : sorry I hate free powerups

Only 2 powerups in the series have been free and those were Naruto's RSM and Sasuke's rinnegan. Even so , those are epic!

You must be one of the power haters.
 

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How do you work hard for a tatoo dude? You obviously get it from someone. You can train for a mark now?

Some people even throw logic out of the window just to defend their fave. That's quite pathetic.

Well obviously these aren't just some normal tattoos you get at some parlour. They can be worked for. The byakugou makes tattoo like markings appear on the user's body and Sakura and Tsunade trained for years to get that. Boruto's and Kawaki's tattoos could come in a similar manner.
 

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Because everything needs a limit.

Break all limits!!!!! Also , I like my series to be able to compete in terms of power with other series. The NV can't do that if they stay as weak as all the power haters want them to stay.
 

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But its understandable why the hates. Its bcus the power this new Gen. got to surpassed or help in defeating two very powerful Shinobi of past generation(Naruto and Sasuke) could be an asspull.

Its out from the realm of possibility. What we know all this years about power level and how to obtained it couldn't be achieved by new Gen in logical ways.

Yes back panel/off panel experiments can make it possible and can be an excuses for how New Gen(Kawaki and Boruto) power can exist. But without good explanation(from author) on how it possible, the end result still can be call as asspull(not hand out).

How to obtained Six Path Senjutsu? From Juubi or Hagoromo. How to obtained Rinnegan. From Hagoromo or combining Ashura and Indra chakra. How to obtained Tenseigan? From Byakugan and Otsutusuki's chakra of Hamura's bloodline.

We got unexplained power origin in Momoshiki's Rinnegan but people assume it came from Chakra fruit.

But how this new Gen or people behind them(Oro or Katasuki or someone else) can reach all those requirements that sure impossible to obtain?

I continue,

They not hate 'power'. The limit that Pumpkin Ninja said is not the problem. If one verse have very hight limit and the limit still not reached yet, its acceptable.

But the problem for NV New Gen is how they achieve this high of power without asspull/BS?

DB not set any limit on Super Saiyan transformation nor the requirement is to heavy. At first to achieved Super Saiyan God, it need numbers of pure Super Saiyan warriors to gave their power to Goku but later on its actually not needed.

 
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Naruto Power handouts
Riddikou Sage Mode
Various Tailed Beast Rasengan
Flight
Healing

Sasuke Power Handouts
EMS
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Well obviously these aren't just some normal tattoos you get at some parlour. They can be worked for. The byakugou makes tattoo like markings appear on the user's body and Sakura and Tsunade trained for years to get that. Boruto's and Kawaki's tattoos could come in a similar manner.

Even if it was like that how does simply awakening the power of a Tattoo or let's say working hard just for an example, able to send Naruto away. Byagoku doesn't surpass RSM's power and to defeat an RSM level user, most likely that powerup was a free giveaway.

When you think about it, you can't work hard for power levels that high, like the Rikudo tier. It was most likely a giveaway because looking at it this powerup is stronger than the Byagoku. It seems more like an asspull created just to take over the Rinnegan/RSM.
 

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Even if it was like that how does simply awakening the power of a Tattoo or let's say working hard just for an example, able to send Naruto away. Byagoku doesn't surpass RSM's power and to defeat an RSM level user, most likely that powerup was a free giveaway.

When you think about it, you can't work hard for power levels that high, like the Rikudo tier. It was most likely a giveaway because looking at it this powerup is stronger than the Byagoku. It seems more like an asspull created just to take over the Rinnegan/RSM.

Actually, you can work hard for power levels that high. It just seems like you can't because Kishi decided for the most part to make just about everyone a clone of their clan or their village in terms of fighting style (ie. Hyuugas only using gentle fist, Yamanakas only being seen using mind body techniques, the whole of Kumogakure having laser circus, etc...). Because of that tendency of Kishi, it makes it seem like the top tier power levels are unattainable without either being a jinchuuriki, being from an Otsutsuki related clan or having some other special inherent trait. However, this is not actually the case.

Imagine this:

Let's say Kawaki is a lover of quantum mechanics and quantum field theory, so Kawaki is aware that the nuclei of atoms are held together by the strong nuclear force. Kawaki also knows that the strong force is mediated by guage bosons such as w and z particles, and that it can also be mediated by quarks. Now, as an expert in quantum field theory, Kawaki knows that the guage bosons that are exhanged between subatomic particles actually fluctuate into and out of existence via the quantum fluctuation of vaccum energy and the nuclear force fields that permeate the universe. Knowing this, Kawaki decides that it would be a great technique to be able to manipulate these quantum fields, and to be able to stop and restart their fluctuation.

Kawaki then trains to gain sage mode since he knows that sages essentially become one with the natural energy around them. He becomes so good with sage mode that he is able to eventually manipulate the quantum fields (which are in fact apart of nature). So then Kawaki goes to fight RSM Naruto.

Naruto is strong, but Kawaki has an ace in the hole. Kawaki manipulates the quantum fields in the region, and stops the fluctuations of the strong nuclear force field that take place within the nuclei of the atoms in Naruto's body. As a result, all of atoms in Naruto's body just break apart due to no forces keeping the nuclei intact. RSM becomes irrelevant here. No atoms = no Naruto.

R.I.P Naruto (even if he is rikudou level)

Do you see what I mean here? Here in this scenario, no kekkei genkais were used or any other special traits. Just a perfectly trained for sage mode.

It is not always about power level. Sometimes it is about the specific technique or what kind of training you do. This is what I mean when I say you can work for powers that can beat rikudou level shinobi
 

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Naruto Power handouts
Riddikou Sage Mode
Various Tailed Beast Rasengan
Flight
Healing

Sasuke Power Handouts
EMS
Sharinnegan

Everything under Naruto that you listed goes in the category of rikudou sage mode (which I stated to be Naruto's only handout).
Sasuke worked for EMS. He trained hard for years to kill Itachi , and then it finally came to fruition. This means that Sasuke worked to gain mangekyou and EMS.
 

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I assume "Michael Bay movies" are your favorite type of movies then, huh?

Break all limits!!!!! Also , I like my series to be able to compete in terms of power with other series.

Do you also compare your ding-dong to those of other dudes?
 

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Displays of power are only fun because they're powerful in comparison to other things happening in the manga. If everyone is doing crazy sh*t, aside from being desensitized, it's just not impressive anymore in comparison to other things. For example, Rinnegan was insane compared to things we'd seen previously, as were Naruto's tailed forms. But by War Arc it was just insane feat after insane feat, so people got tired and nothing was interesting anymore (I've never seen anyone express genuine amazement by Kaguya's transdimensional feat, for example).

But I can get behind displays of power. I think Kubo is better at it than Kishimoto, though. Of course, the consequence is that Bleach is completely broken. Toriyama used to be good at this, but in his revenge quest against GT, I think he's starting to lose it. I wasn't impressed by SSG and I'm not impressed by SSGSS.
 

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But its understandable why the hates. Its bcus the power this new Gen. got to surpassed or help in defeating two very powerful Shinobi of past generation(Naruto and Sasuke) could be an asspull.

Its out from the realm of possibility. What we know all this years about power level and how to obtained it couldn't be achieved by new Gen in logical ways.

Yes back panel/off panel experiments can make it possible and can be an excuses for how New Gen(Kawaki and Boruto) power can exist. But without good explanation(from author) on how it possible, the end result still can be call as asspull(not hand out).

How to obtained Six Path Senjutsu? From Juubi or Hagoromo. How to obtained Rinnegan. From Hagoromo or combining Ashura and Indra chakra. How to obtained Tenseigan? From Byakugan and Otsutusuki's chakra of Hamura's bloodline.

We got unexplained power origin in Momoshiki's Rinnegan but people assume it came from Chakra fruit.

But how this new Gen or people behind them(Oro or Katasuki or someone else) can reach all those requirements that sure impossible to obtain?

I continue,

They not hate 'power'. The limit that Pumpkin Ninja said is not the problem. If one verse have very hight limit and the limit still not reached yet, its acceptable.

But the problem for NV New Gen is how they achieve this high of power without asspull/BS?

DB not set any limit on Super Saiyan transformation nor the requirement is to heavy. At first to achieved Super Saiyan God, it need numbers of pure Super Saiyan warriors to gave their power to Goku but later on its actually not needed.


The way I see it is: There is more so a problem with the fans than with the writing. Think about it: Every time the slightest new development shows itself , it is called an asspull by these fans. Every time! I'm sure we can all agree that vanishing rasengan was a reasonable power to give a kid Boruto. Yet if you look through some of the past threads in this section , you can even find people complaining about how in their opinion Boruto shouldn't be able to subconsciously add wind nature to his rasengan like that.

Do you see what I mean. There are no "asspulls". It is just that any and every slight new power or technique is forbidden according to these fans.

Also , that limit thing is a load of crap! Kishi himself never actually set any limits on how strong a shinobi can get. It is just the fans that see a strong character and then decide for themselves that this particular character's level is the limit , and that nobody can ever legitimately surpass this person without it being bad writing.

These fans totally disregard the possibility of a shinobi developing techniques that use scientific principles or any other intelligent ideas to take down powerful opponents. Nope! Intelligence is not allowed when a shinobi trains or develops jutsus according to these fans! To these people , a shinobi must always make sure that they don't use their brain and that they stay weaker than the current top tier characters.

Do you remember in DBZ when Gohan and Krillin fought Guldo of the Ginyu force? Do you remember how in terms of power level , Gohan and Krillin were a fair bit stronger than Guldo? Then do you remember how Guldo ended up almost beating Gohan and Krillin despite his weaker power level due to the fact that he had a certain technique (his telekinetic paralysis)?

This concept is exactly what I am talking about when I say that there are no limits , and that a stronger character can be surpassed if the supposedly weaker character has the right techniques!

But no! These Naruto fans aren't having that! If you are weaker then you are not allowed to have good ace in the hole techniques even if you train for them! You are not allowed to be smart! This is the logic used by these power haters!

That is the problem with this fanbase. They limit everything and they absolutely forbid intelligence when training and developing techniques!
 
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