Lol Can kakashi withstand bunch of crows or even 5 Bomb Clones and kamui all of it?

[Bogard]

This is general sign for concentration has nothing to do with jutsu seals.
I can link you dozens of these

Is that why in the middle of the page, we see 2 izanagi users using the same handseal to perform the jutsu against each other?

No Izanagi does require handseal just like Izanami:

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And btw the concentration seal is this one

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[Takos]

Ah, I didn't know DB says anything about it.

Yes, in this case, it's pretty clear that it was Kamui that Obito used to survive Amaterasu.

Also, Obito most likely used the teleportation property of Kamui to get rid of Ama flames.
Why?
Because if he could just phase through them, as someone mentioned, he wouldn't take a while to do so and scream in pain in the meantime. What he did is consistent with having to focus on the action, which means he most likely teleported himself, leaving Ama flames behind.
He couldn't just Kamui ama flames, because he needs to touch stuff with his palm that he wants to teleport.

Also, someone might ask what proof I have of teleportation leaving Ama flames behind.
The answer is: we have already seen in the manga that when Kakashi teleported, he lost his kyuubi cloak. The same should apply to flames.

So, right, now I'm pretty sure Kakashi can get rid of Ama flames with Kamui. U_U

 

[AlphaScythian]

Is that why in the middle of the page, we see 2 izanagi users using the same handseal to perform the jutsu against each other?

No Izanagi does require handseal just like Izanami:

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And btw the concentration seal is this one

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No. Itachi used same seal analyzing CT.
Naruto used it passing chakra to every one b4 mass FTG.
Madara used it in 1st reviving attempt.
Tiger seal is used too but its for noobs like 1st kamui vs deidara.

 

[Takos]

No. Itachi used same seal analyzing CT.
Naruto used it passing chakra to every one b4 mass FTG.
Madara used it in 1st reviving attempt.
Tiger seal is used too but its for noobs like 1st kamui vs deidara.

Which doesn't change the fact that DB actually does confirm it was Kamui that Obito used. Didn't know about it, too, until Bogard pointed it out. U_U

 

[AlphaScythian]

Which doesn't change the fact that DB actually does confirm it was Kamui that Obito used. Didn't know about it, too, until Bogard pointed it out. U_U

Which still could have been intangibily kakashi doesnt have.
Obito however was completely unharmed thus izanagi inb4 Amaterasu would be better answer
DB would never spoiled new technique, thus i wouldnt take it as confirmation

 

[Bogard]

Which still could have been intangibily kakashi doesnt have.
Obito however was completely unharmed thus izanagi inb4 Amaterasu would be better answer

Amaterasu couldn't even burn Madara's hair. No wonder he came out of it unscathed. He was screaming during a while after being hit by the jutsu. Izanagi illusion would've simply disappeard

 

[Takos]

Which still could have been intangibily kakashi doesnt have.
Obito however was completely unharmed thus izanagi inb4 Amaterasu would be better answer

I've written above why intangibility doesn't seem to be an option.
Obito wouldn't have to struggle if he could just use intangibility.
Teleportation is a much more probable option, especially given that we've already seen teleportation leaves "surroundings" like Kyuubi's cloak behind.

Also, what Bogard said is true as well. Amaterasu burns slowly in general. It looks like it can be controlled by the user how fast it burns (see Jirayia's toad stomach), but it probably couldn't be done when setting up such a booby-trap (or Itachi had too little chakra to set it up to be faster, doesn't matter). Fact of the matter remains that Amaterasu very often consumes the target really slowly, so it's no wonder Obito managed to survive unscathed.

 

[AlphaScythian]

DB would never reveal new technique.
Obito was clearly hit, some damage would be notable.
But there was none so izanagi is best answer

 

[Takos]

DB would never reveal new technique.
Obito was clearly hit, some damage would be notable.
But there was none so izanagi is best answer

Nope, it isn't. Izanagi needs to be activated. Obito could only cancel damage done to him AFTER Izanagi's activation (just like, for example, you couldn't activate Izanagi after losing a limb to get it back).
Unless Obito managed to activate it before he was engulfed in flames at all, which is unlikely, he would still be left with injuries according to what you say.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Nope, it wouldn't. Izanagi needs to be activated. Obito could only cancel damage done to him AFTER Izanagi's activation (just like, for example, you couldn't activate Izanagi after losing a limb to get it back).
Unless Obito managed to activate it before he was engulfed in flames at all, which is unlikely, he would still be left with injuries according to what you say.

True. However obito noticed MS activation, yelled impossible and only then got hit.
Meaning he realized what it was and had time to activate izanagi.

 

[Takos]

True. However obito noticed MS activation, yelled impossible and only then got hit.
Meaning he realized what it was and had time to activate izanagi.

You have a point, but it still doesn't convince me. Gotta agree to disagree.

 

[AlphaScythian]

You have a point, but it still doesn't convince me. Gotta agree to disagree.

Thats cuz you want kakashi to have a counter for amaterasu

 

[Takos]

Thats cuz you want kakashi to have a counter for amaterasu

No, not necessarily.
As you can see in my earlier posts, I was sceptical about the theory that it was Kamui that allowed Obito to survive Amaterasu.

Now I believe that's indeed the case, but I might very well scrap this idea and continue the discussion as if that was false, because I still consider Amaterasu inferior to Kamui due to the fact it travels and due to the fact it has a detectable chakra build-up.

 

[VongolaX]

Pretty sure it was off-paneled. Izanagi requires handseals for everyone. It's not depending on the user. Even in Itachi's fb against Kabuto, Izanagi users were using handseals

How can Obito use hand seals, when one of his arm was blown right off? :|

 

[Boston Rob]

Itachi wins mid diff, hes better in all categories, Kakashi is below him, read manga

 

[End of Days]

silly little itachi-tards

 

[ShiroShonen]

That's retarded they both have to activate their ms

Kakashi has to activate his MS , Itachi has to activate his MS's

 

[BenjerminGaye]

True. However obito noticed MS activation, yelled impossible and only then got hit.
Meaning he realized what it was and had time to activate izanagi.

Considering the amount of tine it took him to activate izanagi vs konan I doubt that's the case. That's just my opinion after reading your posts.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Now I believe that's indeed the case, but I might very well scrap this idea and continue the discussion as if that was false, because I still consider Amaterasu inferior to Kamui due to the fact it travels and due to the fact it has a detectable chakra build-up.

But kamui too has a build up, it was dodged by deidara, with gedo he aimed for the head but ripped an arm off.
Overall it's more efficient kill jutsu but for a human both do damn great.

Considering the amount of tine it took him to activate izanagi vs konan I doubt that's the case. That's just my opinion after reading your posts.

He took no time for that, he broke the mask and that was it U_U

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I lawl'ed. It totally just happened...

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Good God almighty. That's what it comes down to.
Itchi with a kids meal while everyone else has big macs.