@Goddes tsunade, if you would like to prove my logic wrong I challenge you to do so instead of laughing at it. I am not a troll.
sorry but I still can't stop laughing,
and I'm too lazy to argue with you
not with that username XD
That right there is the view of someone not able to argue against me. Judging my your username I will just believe that you are biased because I listed tsunade as being one shotted by kamui (also i listed her first).
My username may show some biased in that I believe sharingan are op, but can you tell me how they aren't? They are arguably the best kekkai genkai (for many reasons such as movement tracking, chakra reading, sussano, amaterasu, kamui, the reading of chakra through out peoples body, etc.) and the sharingan has the potential to evolve into the rinnegan, which are the eyes the sage of the six paths had and are so powerful they were considered as legend.
okay, now that I'm finally able to stop laughing at your logic..
I'm just as biased as you.
Sharingans can be OP, Kamui is OP, Kakashi is strong,
BUT there's no way he'll use kamui right at the start of a battle,
why didn't he just kamui'd Zabuza, Kakuzu, Hidan, and the swordsmen right from the very start of their fight?
because in NV, there's something we call "PLOT"
what you think will never happen in NV exactly as how you thought of it.
don't get me turned on by mentioning Tsunade,
'coz before Kakashi even think of using Kamui to Tsunade,
all of the bones in his body will be broken already.
okay, now that I'm finally able to stop laughing at your logic..
I'm just as biased as you.
Sharingans can be OP, Kamui is OP, Kakashi is strong,
BUT there's no way he'll use kamui right at the start of a battle,
why didn't he just kamui'd Zabuza, Kakuzu, Hidan, and the swordsmen right from the very start of their fight?
because in NV, there's something we call "PLOT"
what you think will never happen in NV exactly as how you thought of it.
don't get me turned on by mentioning Tsunade,
'coz before Kakashi even think of using Kamui to Tsunade,
all of the bones in his body will be broken already.
Right because Tsunade is faster than any opponent Kakashi has faced ._. Unless they start out in a fight where they're really close I don't see Tsunade landing a punch from the get go.
@Bold, show me a scan back in part I that he uses his MS, i will wait.
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there's none, the point is he don't use kamui at the very start of a fight,
not if he can use MS in part 1 or not.
She has the seal activated, i don't see her running at that speed without her seal activated.
Umm you do realize Madara is just talking.. he could've attacked if he wanted to or avoided it. He wasn't trying at this point of the fight Lol Try again
There's none because he never used his MS in part 1, not even once so yeah.
Part 2 is another case, he activates his MS, KAMUI! tsunade is gone, believe me.
And the funny thing is kakashi is actually top 15 while tsunade is top 20-30?
what?? and now her seal boosts her speed as well??
the seal doesn't work like SM, you know
XD XD XD XD XD
I guess i didn't read properly the yin seal in the wikipedia, i will have to check it out later, my bad.
Anyways, kakashi can solo tsunade at this current point, let alone kamui.
he still got hit, the point is Tsunade reaching that distance in just a few seconds.
Kakashi can solo anyone with kamui IF he uses it right away, but NO, HE DOESN'T
@bold will you please stop joking??
the only way he can defeat Tsunade is kamui.
of course he can beat her, but not as easy as what people think =D
Thing is he could've attacked or avoided it if he wanted to.. you see he points out that Tsunade is slower than Raikage who Madara was able to react to when Ay was using full speed. Sorry Tsunade isn't on par with v2 speed.. Madara wasn't trying as he could've stopped her if he wanted Lolhe still got hit, the point is Tsunade reaching that distance in just a few seconds.
okay, now that I'm finally able to stop laughing at your logic..
I'm just as biased as you.
Sharingans can be OP, Kamui is OP, Kakashi is strong,
BUT there's no way he'll use kamui right at the start of a battle,
why didn't he just kamui'd Zabuza, Kakuzu, Hidan, and the swordsmen right from the very start of their fight?
because in NV, there's something we call "PLOT"
what you think will never happen in NV exactly as how you thought of it.
don't get me turned on by mentioning Tsunade,
'coz before Kakashi even think of using Kamui to Tsunade,
all of the bones in his body will be broken already.
I'm glad you agree that kamui is OP. And also one of the first things he did in the fight with Sasuke was use kamui, when they couldn't catch up to diedara because he was flying he used kamui. Kakashi knows when to use kamui, and if he had to use it at the beginning or near the beginning of a battle against a tough enough opponent he would.
Against Zabuza he didn't have kamui or at least he doesn't show the ability until after the timeskip.
Against kakuzu and Hidan he likely hadn't perfected it's timing and location yet, though i'm sure he'd improved upon when he first fought with Diedara.
The swordsmen are edo and thus will regenerate and can likely be summoned back from the kamui universe (though i'm uncertain on this). Thats why I made a specific note saying that it wouldn't work on Edo.
You are very correct in stating that there is a thing called Plot in the naruto manga! However this is a hypothetical situation where Kakashi would be fighting any ten opponents in what i'm guessing is a 1vs1 battle against each. Thus since this is hypothetical I am not including the plot limiting their powers, specifically kamui.
My point is that Kakashi's kamui is op, and it has the ability to rip off almost everyone in the naruto universe's heads off. Kakashi has that ability at his disposal, and he can use this ability extremely quickly and extremely precisely. This means that with this ability Kakashi can theoretically win against the majority of the Naruto universe if he uses it immediately.
Now onto mentioning Tsunade. Tsunade is powerful and she is fast, but that doesn't mean Kakashi's sharingan can't track her movements or allow him to be able to dodge her attacks. Kakashi would definitely be able to Kamui Tsunade before she can hit him. If she did hit him though, it would not feel good and would like break quite a few of his bones if not leave him critically injured depending on where he is hit. But he wouldn't let himself get hit by Tsunade, he knows the strength she holds and will make sure that he isn't hit by her.
Hypothetical and theoretical is not the same as plot. Let me provide you with an example from a well known manga
and anime.
Theoretically Gohan should be able to beat Super Buu, however he lost to him due to plot reasons. Does that mean he would lose in a 1v1 fight? No it doesn't.
This is a hypothetical/theoretical discussion and should be treated as such. Perhaps I should have stated that Kakashi was going all out from the beginning, but i thought that would be implied through my use of the constant ripping off of heads.
So tell me what top is he right now? 50? If you want i can make a new thread and ask for everybody opinion. I don't mind at all.
If she does get hit by kamui she's doomed. ⌐-⌐ And there's no technique that can tank the kamui.
Thing is he could've attacked or avoided it if he wanted to.. you see he points out that Tsunade is slower than Raikage who Madara was able to react to when Ay was using full speed. Sorry Tsunade isn't on par with v2 speed.. Madara wasn't trying as he could've stopped her if he wanted Lol
I'm glad you agree that kamui is OP. And also one of the first things he did in the fight with Sasuke was use kamui, when they couldn't catch up to diedara because he was flying he used kamui. Kakashi knows when to use kamui, and if he had to use it at the beginning or near the beginning of a battle against a tough enough opponent he would.
Against Zabuza he didn't have kamui or at least he doesn't show the ability until after the timeskip.
Against kakuzu and Hidan he likely hadn't perfected it's timing and location yet, though i'm sure he'd improved upon when he first fought with Diedara.
The swordsmen are edo and thus will regenerate and can likely be summoned back from the kamui universe (though i'm uncertain on this). Thats why I made a specific note saying that it wouldn't work on Edo.
You are very correct in stating that there is a thing called Plot in the naruto manga! However this is a hypothetical situation where Kakashi would be fighting any ten opponents in what i'm guessing is a 1vs1 battle against each. Thus since this is hypothetical I am not including the plot limiting their powers, specifically kamui.
My point is that Kakashi's kamui is op, and it has the ability to rip off almost everyone in the naruto universe's heads off. Kakashi has that ability at his disposal, and he can use this ability extremely quickly and extremely precisely. This means that with this ability Kakashi can theoretically win against the majority of the Naruto universe if he uses it immediately.
Now onto mentioning Tsunade. Tsunade is powerful and she is fast, but that doesn't mean Kakashi's sharingan can't track her movements or allow him to be able to dodge her attacks. Kakashi would definitely be able to Kamui Tsunade before she can hit him. If she did hit him though, it would not feel good and would like break quite a few of his bones if not leave him critically injured depending on where he is hit. But he wouldn't let himself get hit by Tsunade, he knows the strength she holds and will make sure that he isn't hit by her.
Hypothetical and theoretical is not the same as plot. Let me provide you with an example from a well known manga
and anime.
Theoretically Gohan should be able to beat Super Buu, however he lost to him due to plot reasons. Does that mean he would lose in a 1v1 fight? No it doesn't.
This is a hypothetical/theoretical discussion and should be treated as such. Perhaps I should have stated that Kakashi was going all out from the beginning, but i thought that would be implied through my use of the constant ripping off of heads.
he's even in my top 10 before, but now that so many OP characters have been shown,
he can barely make it to top 20 or so..
that would be a nice thread,, will you post it please?
yes. that's why I said she'll be defeated with kamui,
but not with kakashi's katon, suiton, raiton, nor doton.