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1. 81. NEW YORK. Nov. 2. -Tradition that the tiger is a better animal then the lion in a fight has been disproved as Sr. Nicholas Garden, where one of the biggest striped denizens of the Bengal jungles is suffering from rips and tears inflicted upon him by one of the late king of the South Africa forests. The press agent did not give this story out. Probably he would lose his job if he had, for Bostock is careful to suppress any news tending to show that his animals ever exhibit sanguinary instincts when in the arena. The two big cats in question were brought together several days ago to become familiarized with each other for purposes of a contemplated act in the show ring. The tiger walked nervously up to the lion and began rubbing his nose over the latter's haunches. A low growl was the response. But when the tiger inserted his teeth in the lion's mane, Leo uttered a roar, unmasked his ivories and crouched. The tiger retreated a few feet and then sprang high in the air, intending to come down on the lion. But Leo deftly side-stepped and when the tiger alighted he grabbed it by the head. A twisting of the teeth and a large section of the tiger's face, including one eye, was gone. The trainers and attendants now tried to separate the beasts, which for several minutes rolled over and over each other, snarling, roaring, biting and scratching. Finally they were separated. The tiger, mutilated and bleeding, cowered in a corner, while the lion was defiant in another. The defeated animal was patched up and now is engaged in getting well as rapidly as he can.
FORT WAYNE MORNING JOURNAL GAZETTE, MONDAY, NOVEMBER 3, 1902.
1."Clyde Beatty had a narrow escape at Sikeston, Mo., when "Detroit," a huge African lion, and a performing Siberian tiger, started a battle, which ended in the death of the tiger. Beatty had just finished his act and had stepped from the cage when "Detroit" pounced upon his tiger and the fight lasted for almost 20 minutes before "Detroit" broke the tiger's back. Beatty and his assistants, Capt. W. K. Bernardi, Eugene Scott, Grover McCage and others were unable to break up the fight. It was the second tiger that "Detroit" had killed in the last five weeks and Beatty stated the fight was the most ferocious that he had ever witnessed.
^Two tigers killed by same lion
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6. "He preferred jungle cats to those born in captivity, which he thought were spoiled, and his courage at working with them became legendary. In 1928 at Kokomo a tiger landed on top of him only to be killed by a lion in an ensuing 25-minute fight that saved Beatty's life."
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7. King Edward has reached the end of SUBMISSION, and Dan, through his greed, THE END OF HIS LIFE. For the lion, disregarding all the usual leonine methods of fighting, suddenly adopted the tiger tactics, attacking from a position straight on his haunches, and with forepaws working, instead of the usual one. The result was the tiger’s claws were tangled in the greasy, heavy ARMOR-like mane of the lion-and useless. When those of King Edward ripped at the foe until DAN sank to the cage floor, A STRICKEN, GASPING, DESEMBOWELLED THING. Edward ceased his attack, disengaged his mane from the now USELESS claws of the Bengal, and went back to his feast!
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8. The first documents an event set up to entertain a prince who s. The fight took place in the pit of a palace compound with the entire encounter being recorded. The film showed that the tiger was at an immediate disadvantage. Tigers use a throat grip as their primary means of killing and the lion's thick protective mane prevented the tiger gaining a hold on the throat joint. On the other hand, the tiger had no special protection, so was vulnerable to attack. In this fight, the tiger was killed.
~Kailash Sankhala and Tiger Territory.
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9. As a boy I used to wonder what would happen if a lion and a tiger got into a fight. For years I would play that over in my imagination and speculate about the outcome. Until one day I happened to see a movie exhibited by Dr. Louis Talbot. He had been in India on an occasion when a lion and a tiger had somehow accidentally fallen into the same pit. Someone was there with a movie camera and filmed the whole thing. I tell you, I watched with great interest as this battle went on! These cats circled one another, one would lash out at the other, they would spit and snarl and leap about in that light way cats have. Then suddenly they would grapple together and roll about, spitting and biting. It was tremendous to watch! Then, quicker that the eye could follow, something happened, and the tiger appeared to cave in. He simply fell down. The lion had caught it at just the right moment, had slapped it on the side of the head, and had crushed its skull. That was the end of the battle.
~Lion Tiger Fight.
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10. There was a great deal of lion and tiger pit fighting held in Korea until 1960. Historic reports say the lion was found very difficult to beat, again due to the head protection afforded by the mane. The film mentioned on the previous page has the tiger as the winner, but this fight would seem to be only one of many that were carried out, and all other reports found, to date, say the lion usually won.
Tiger Territory.
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11. Despite the final appearance given by the movie, tigers were largely unsuccessful in the gladiatorial area. Lions were more popular as they put on an excellent fight display, whereas tigers were surprisingly reluctant to enter into battle. Placed in with lions, the tigers would often simply retreat.
Tiger Territory.
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12. "I can cite a few instances of male tigers whipping male lions, but I can't think of one such case where the tiger didn't have a distinct advantage. I also recall a case where a tiger had a marked advantage and lost the fight. The lion seems to have no fear of the tiger.
~Clyde Beatty
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13. “There is no direct evidence, but if we examine the probabilities in the case of a confrontation between the two some inferences can be drawn. In a fight would de unable to get close to the vital joint of a lion’s neck because of his thick mane, but the tiger is vulnerable to the lion. In any inter-species confrontation lions would also have the advantage of the who pride. But in my opinion a tiger is no match even for a single lion of equal strength. In any inter-species confrontation lions would also have the advantage of support from members of the whole pride. But in my opinion a tiger is no match even for a single lion of equal strength. Moreover, tigers would tend to avoid confrontation by withdrawing from the area, and lions might have found an easy walk over tiger land by forcing the retreat of the tiger from the dry plains at least.
~"Tiger, the story of the Indian tiger" by Kailash Sankhala
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14. “Mr. Bolton said that a friend of his saw, in the circus at Verona, a battle between a lion, and a tiger, a horse, and an ass. The tiger shewed symptoms of fear, and wished to decline the battle with the lion. He fought however at last with great fury; but, though he foiled the lion for a time by his alertness, soon yielded on close contact to the other’s matchless strength. The lion chiefly used his paw, with which he struck tremendous blows.”
~The Gentleman's Magazine
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15. “A lion slaps on the face of a tiger as they fight for the control of a pool at a zoo in Nanjing, east China's Jiangsu province July 18, 2004. The lion finally occupied the cool water of the pool in the summer heat wave after it defeated its challenger in two minutes.”
~People's Daily Online
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16. The tigers hands some hits really but controls none of the fight. The lion lack’s a mane so the tiger fails to grip the lion like on the other videos. Undisputedly the lion wins both fights. ^Two tiger losses:
~Jungle Jim 1936 Lion vs. Tiger Fight, for those who want claim that the tiger was meant lose let it be known that the fight existed two years before Jungle Jim in the 1934 film Devil Tiger, which was about tigers. kingdomanimalia_wink.gif
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17. Lost Jungle fight 1: Clyde Beatty, the world's greatest animal trainer, travels the jungles of the world in search of exotic beasts and adventure. Beatty's expeditionary dirigible crashes on a remote unexplored island teeming with wild animals. One the series a unexpected and real life fight between a lion and a tiger is filmed. The Lion defeats the tiger in a circus ring.
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18. "Another subspecies very closely related to the Asian lion - the Barbary lion or Panthera leo leo - became extinct in the wild in 1922 (in Morocco). This animal the Barbary lion had been the dominant animal in the blood sports of the Roman arenas."
~Martin Seyer's dissertation (synopsis), Vienna University.
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19. Although lions and tigers are anatomically virtually the same, male lions regularly fight to attain and maintain pride females…"I suspect that male lions on average would be more aggressive and persistent than male tigers, hence would prevail."
~Frank C. Mendel, professor of pathology and anatomical sciences at UB.
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20. “When the safari spectators see a fight between the lion and the tiger cumulating they reveal a big interest. When the time comes the real image inside the safari is disappointing. To be how the lion is actually stronger.”
~Lee Yong Phil is a practiced lion & tiger keeper at the Everland Zoo, and on a interview on he clearly stated that Koreans who believe that the lion is no match for the tiger is living in a fairy tale. I been recently privileged to view the complete Everland videos and though evidently bias the tiger, the striped cat performed less than mediocre.
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21. The lion is not so powerful an animal as the tiger, but fights much better. A tiger will make his attack, and then retires; but a lion never retreats; he fights until he is killed.
~The Asiatic Journal and Monthly Miscellany
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22. “Equal in size to the Lion, though generally inferior in strength, it wants not courage or ferocity to attack the king of beasts; a temerity which generally proves fatal.”
~The Volume of the World: Embracing the Geography, History, and Statistics, of the Nations of the... - Page 794
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23. Following a wounded lion is considered most awkward work, for they have credit of making their charge good, and of not swerving on one side when fired at close enough to singe them almost, as I have known to be the case with tigers on more than one occasion… “Asia’s Last Lions”
~This is not really a source but still it just points to the lion’s renowned aggression.
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23. This animal is the scourge of Asia and the Indian Islands. Equal to the lion in stature, though generally inferior in strength, it generally falls a victim to its temerity in so doing, unless some disparity of age or other circumstance should bring the strength and power of the two animals to more of a level.
~A History of the earth and animated nature v.1 Pg 369
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24. A tiger attacked an animal trainer during a ‘Murat Shrine Circus’ performance. The tiger grabbed the trainer by the hip, dragged her down, grabbed the leg and started pulling her towards the cage. One of the lions came off the pedestal and slapped the tiger with his paw and sent her flying through the air, giving the trainer a chance to escape. The trainer required 18 stitches. (ar-news e-mail, 03/1997)
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I think the tiger is a female and I know it is no much of a fight but I feel no reason to remove it.
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25. “Clyde Beatty was one of the world's most recognized animal trainers. Known mostly for his circus work, Beatty also worked in film with his cats. He was a practitioner of the "whip and chair" school of training. He thought that animals could only be taught through fear. During the filming of a fight between a lion and a tiger for the movie The Big Cage, Beatty threw ammonia in the tiger's face so the animal would look angry on film. The cat was so enraged it fiercely attacked the lion, and the lion in turn killed the tiger.”
~ Cynthia Boris 1999, the big cage issue has met a storm of controversy and some claim that the tiger was not killed.
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26. In February 1951 a lion fought and killed a tiger as 3,000 children looked on at the opening performance of a circus at Detroit, Illinois, U. S. A., and another tiger was killed by a lion at Madras Zoological Gardens in September the same year after being transferred to the lion's cage while his own quarters were being cleaned. (2 tigers were killed)
~A friend found these for me and boy a double whammy, it should be found in multiple sources like the Guinness book of animal fact and feats.
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28. The following month a large Bengal tiger named "Tim" was killed by a lion named "Nero" at Perth Zoological Gardens, Western Australia. The tiger was in a cage adjoining the lion and a lioness named "Bessie". The lioness forced up the steel slide dividing the cage and Tim, curious, put his head through. Nero, the zoo's biggest lion, promptly bit him in the throat, and in three minutes the tiger was dead.
~Guinness book of animal fact and feats
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29. “In June 1949 a circus at New Bedford, Massachusetts, U. S. A. lost its tiger after a battle with a lion.”
“A lion and a tiger battled to the death here. The lion won. When Biller Brothers Circus moved on to its next stop, it left behind the carcass of the loser, a tiger weighing quarter of a ton.”
~This is the same account with two sources one is from Guinness book of animal fact and feats; I do not have the name of the other one on hand, but I can retrieve it if need be.
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30. Please don't forget the lion vs. tiger fight that was reported in last year's September (2005) edition of Monthly Chosun, the magazine with the largest circulation in South Korea nowadays. During this fight, Po Cheol the majestic male lion knocked out a very large, 200+ kg male tiger, sending him flying as far as 3 meters!
~Monthly Chosun
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31. After this we came to the memorable lion and tiger fight which was supposed to settle the aged controversial question, "which is the better fighter, the lion or the tiger?" The idea of a fight to the death between a lion and a tiger fascinates almost anybody who has any red blood in him. Here are the two most unsociable brutes of the jungle, both treacherous, wary, cunning and ferocious. Darwin and some others thought the lion's mane was intended as an armor for its blood vessels during a fight, rather than as a sexual adornment, which is the contention of a few. This mane the tiger misses. On the other hand the tiger is an individualist, not given to ganging as the lion is. The tiger is therefore nearer to being self-dependent. In my experience, the lion has shown himself somewhat superior to the tiger in fighting, yet it would not be safe to say that the lion can always whip the tiger, for sometimes it comes out the other way. Sometimes the tiger holds off three or four lions and leaves the cage unharmed.
~Jungle performers, 1941
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32. DETROIT, A LION ATTACKS AGAIN. Prince, the young lion that killed a tiger during animal trainer Clyde Beatty's performance at Shrine Circus here, snarls in cage after seriously- wounding another tiger at show last night. Beatty was hopeful of saving the tiger's life with penicillin. Penicillin failed to save the second tiger.
AP Wirephoto.
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34. “He said he would watch the killer lion very close from now on, but indicated he felt there was nothing too unusual about the fight. "The biggest expense I have is tigers killed by lions.” he said. "They are natural enemies — but then, that makes the show better." He said lions had killed "probably 50" tigers in the years he has been working with the big jungle cats.”
~Clyde Beatty “Wow 50 Deaths, so I will be fair and add about 40 victories for the list, since I have few Beatty accounts. Let Roman lessons be learned. This will be a endless pool for the lion to draw victories from...
75. “A tiger is supposed to win a fight with a lion. But it took a rifle bullet to do it at San Francisco's Fleishhacker Zoo. Zoo' director Carey Baldwin told the story Wednesday. Two lions were being transferred to other cages through the tiger grotto Sunday. Tuffy, a 12-year-old lion, somehow opened the- door to the grotto and attacked Nicholas, a 6-year-o1d Siberian tiger. Riflemen came running when zoo keeper Alec Weiss sounded the alarm. The lion had an apparent death grip on the tiger's neck. Carroll Soo-Hoo, principal benefactor of the zoo, took one look and killed the lion. The tiger was worth $3,500, the lion $100. Catherine, the female tiger at the zoo, cowered in a corner during the fight.”
~San Francisco (AP)
This is a very good account, and it is probably my favorite, the lion was quite old and judging by his price was not a prime specimen or and possibly a smaller Nubian/Eastern lion. Nevertheless he defeated a male Siberian in his turf and would have most likely killed him if he was not shot. I am fairly certain if he was not killed he would have killed both tigers. So much for the Siberian tiger being out of the lion’s league!
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76. Sept. 19—Sikestonians had a glimpse of big-game hunting when a lion killed a tiger during circus performance here.
~The Sikeston, 1935
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77. “Now, as to a lion and tiger, I should say that the tiger is the more powerful of the two. At the same time, it is more cowardly, has more of the slinking nature of the cat, and is more treacherous. I believe I’m fully qualified to state, as I’ve had them both on me. I bear the teeth marks of a lion that shut his jaws tight on my legs. But it isn’t the teeth of the big cats trainers fear so much. It is the claws, being hooked, tear out the flesh and sinew as they are withdrawn. When a lion goes at a trainer he starts right towards him, with no subterfuge, mouth open and tail as stiff as a poker. A tiger cringes and crawls until he makes his spring. In a fair fight it would be hard to guess which animal would come off victor, and much would depend, I think on the one that got the first good hold. The lion also is protected around the neck by the heavy mane, which is an advantage. There is one instance I remember where a full grown lion and tiger engaged in combat, by unforeseen chance of course. It was when the John O’ Brien Show had its winter quarters in Philadelphia and I was connected with it. “A lion and a tiger were in a compartment cage, with a partition between. In some manner this partition was battered down in the night and the two big felloes got together. They had probably been issuing challenges to each other and promising what they would do to one another if the chance came. When morning arrived we found the two in the lion’s cage, the tiger dead and the lion all chew and clawed to pieces, but still full of fight.”
~George Conklln, “Adventures With a Circus”
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78. “LION KILLS TIGER WITH ONE BLOW. Curiosity killed the cat today at the Baltimore zoo—the cat in this case being a $1,200 tiger. The tiger got into a between-the bars tangled with a lion and the lion ripped a gash in the tiger's leg. The tiger was found dead in its cage today. Fifty stitches had been taken in the tiger's foreleg after the brawl. Tuesday he was put under anesthesia to make him sleep. But this plus penicillin and other medicines couldn't save him. Death was blamed on pulmonary thrombosis, Zoo Director Arthur Watson said the tiger stuck his paw over a metal guard into the lion's cage in a gesture of curiosity. A male lion did the rest.”
Baltimore (AP) “Zoo Battle Results In Tiger’s Death” 1954
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79. Lion Kills Attacking Tiger
“When a connecting door between two cages was left open at Agartala, Bengal, by a forgetful zoo attendant, a tiger charged its neighbor, a lion. The fight was ferocious, but did not last long, the lion literally tearing the tiger to pieces.”
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87. “It was a fight to the death between a lion and a tigress in the arena at Bosktock's show yesterday before the audience gathered, and the lion won. Last night "Annie." the tigress was gasping out her life in her cage, while "Romeo" the big eight year old lion pompously paraded his cage as if proud of his feat. Prof. Charles Millere, one of the animal trainers connected with the show is getting up a new act. In it are two lions, two tigers a Thibet bear, a polar bear and a big baboon. Every morning they are marched out into the arena and put through their paces behind the 20 foot iron railing. As yet the animals are not on very friendly terms. Yesterday morning the lions and tigers did "their turn" Everything went well, and Prof. Millere was congratulating himself that the act would soon be ready for public production. Suddenly "Romeo" and "Annie" came close to each other. It all happened in a moment. "Gr-r-r!" snarled "Annie," "Romeo" roared. Then the tigress flew at "Romeo" and tried to catch him by the throat. He shook her off with one toss of his head; she tried for the shoulder hold. She missed it by an inch. Either clutch secure, and a tiger will hold one say the trainers, until it is killed. In a twinkling the arena was in a tumult. The baboon was screeching upon a pyramid, paralyzed with fear, and the bears were lunging madly against the iron bars of their pen in a mad attempt to get away. "Romeo" batted his paw at "Annie" and knocked her down. She sprang wildly at him. One savage roar and he buried his fangs in her spine. Deeper and deeper sank his teeth in the soft flesh. The tigress shrieked madly and clawed frantically to get free. Every animal in the place heard the conflict and began echoing a lusty chorus to the fight. The attendants were powerless. Both beast were fighting for their lives. Millere pronged them ruthlessly, but he might as well have used his weapon on the board floors. "Romeo" hung like grim death. Millere whipped a revolver filled with blanks out of his pocket. "Bang! Bang!" went his weapon, but it didn't disturb the death hold of "Romeo." Mr. F. C. Bostock, the proprietor heard the rumpus and rushed into the arena. In his hand he has a fire extinguisher. He turned the nossle full into "Romeo" nostrils, and the big beast let go. Millere and his helpers drove "Annie" back with their long prongs. She sank helplessly in a corner, while "Romeo" with bristling mane and lusty roar, slowly retreated into his cage without a scratch. The Tigress had to be carried to her cage. There was an ugly wound in her back, and the examination showed that the spine had been injured. Last night she was unable to stand up, and it seemed that here death will be a certainty. "Annie" is worth $2,000, and had she submitted to training her value would have been double.”
The Gleaner, Friday November 2, 1902
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88. “The lion trainer forgot to lock the door in the partition between the lions and a female tiger that we had just brought, after his rehearsal at Bavenna, OH, and the tigress pushed it open an walked into the lion’s den. A terrible fight followed, in which one of the lions disemboweled and fatally injured her.
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89. “The amphitheatre had grown so still, that the clear melody of the flute was distinctly audible over the whole vast space. As soon as the disturbance ceased, the king of the beast, apparently untroubled by the new visitor, returned to his food. But the cowardice, peculiar to nocturnal beasts in the daylight, awoke in the tiger. He beheld in the shrieking multitude friends of the flute-player, and seeing the lion eating, seized the nearest piece of meat. But with a single bound the lion sprang forward, roaring loudly, to defend his property. The tiger’s claws clutched the lion’s and a fierce struggle began. The lion aimed terrible blows at his antagonist, which the tiger avoided with marvelous skill; the tiger’s teeth seized the lion’s mane, but at the same instant the latter tore off with his claws from the upper part of the tiger’s head half the skin, from which an eat and a broad trail of blood upon the sand, the tiger returned to his cage, where he howled piteously. The grating was raised, and soon only a faint whining was audible. Either the animal was dying, or the keepers had stupefied him to be able to cure him. The lion stood fiercely over his prey, which no one now disputed.”
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90. 18. "Another subspecies very closely related to the Asian lion - the Barbary lion or Panthera leo leo - became extinct in the wild in 1922 (in Morocco). This animal the Barbary lion had been the dominant animal in the blood sports of the Roman arenas."
~Martin Seyer's dissertation (synopsis), Vienna University.
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91. “500 Pound Circus Lion Arrives In Fitchburg Today After Killing Huge Tiger. The incident, as related today by the trainer of "cats," who has been engaged in this daring business for 29 years or since he was nine years of age took place before the end of the act which involved six lions and “Roger,” the tiger. The prince, who boasts of partial American parentage, his mother being a native of the United States and. his father a Spaniard, said that the battle lasted but five or six minutes.”
Fitchburg, Mass, Friday, June 3, 1949
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Lion’s fight’s tiger lion’s swipe’s are much more powerful and leave’s deeper wound’s…
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Slightly bigger tiger land’s weak flurry’s while the lion’s 1 swipe snd’s the tiger crashing into the bar’s…
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Lion swatt’s tiger tumbling 20 feet away…
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Lioness almost kills male tiger
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One lion that whipped all his tiger’s
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Lion’s have harder strike’s, shown in this clip hitting a bigger and hevier tiger the mane dosent weigh that much, it’s just very thick an dense hair an by the size of the tiger his mass look’s even the same size of the lion’s mane, concluding the tiger is hevier an the lion still outpower’s him by bashing him with the usual haymaker’s lion’s throw, in the same instance the tiger threw first, yet the lion’s more powerful strike’s goes right threw the tiger’s attempt for a double strike which they usually use to grab , but the lion strike’s with such percsion an power he bashes the tiger so hard he completely fliped the tiger on his back a meter away…
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. Lion’s are stronger in the front limb’s there bigger, taller, broader and stronger shoulder’s aid’s them in being better fighter’s an out wrestle’s tiger’s…
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41. Pound for pound lion’s are way stronger than tiger’s, this lion look’s bigger but it’s only because of the mane, both lion and tiger are about the same size, yet he still hit’s harder, also chasing off the competition as they usually do, due to dominant trait’s of the ma,le lion…also proving a lot of expert’s correct as tiger’s only throw wildly not accurately, in this fight he misses 6 time’s an mostly all other fight’s tiger’s always’s miss more than 50% fighting a lion, here…
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80% of swipe or bite is protected by the mane, as you can see the mane protect’s bite’s that can usually add up on a tiger, yet it has no effect on the lion in terms the lion can completely focus what he is doing which is draging around and mauling the tiger, which in the big cat fight world, every bite count’s…
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