[LIGHT] The bijuu dama's power

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

The thread purpose is to be informative to members. It's not wanking or bashing.


First of all, deidara's final explosion would serve as comparison because it is the only attack known for its scale of 10 km.

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If this has a 10 km radius and 20 km diameter, then the mountains in the background are giant in size and are not as small as they appear. Look carefully and you will see villages around the explosion which put far more emphasis on the explosion's size.

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Look at the size of these mountains. They are relatively tiny as compared to the bijuu dama but in truth, they are giant mountains like the one in that pic of deidara's c0.

Specifically, those types of mountains can't be any smaller than 0.8 km in diameter (and that is the absolute low end - the upper range is about 1.5 km). I'd say that explosion diameter can't be any smaller than 8 km.

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Here if you look well, you will notice the crater of the above bijuu dama explosion. However, the juubi's bijuu dama appears to be twice in diameter.
The 8 km explosion is far in the foreground, and big mountains are way off in the distant background. The mountains are foreground and the explosion is in the far distance behind them. This makes a HUGE difference - just doubling the previous number is a MASSIVE underestimation of the size of the second explosion. Therefore, juubi's bijuu dama is at least 32 km in diameter.
Regarding the mountains and the area being covered, multi mountain buster I assume...or island level.

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In this panel, judging that Juubi has entered its attack mode and is twice as powerful as earlier, it is safe to assume that a normal tiny bijuu dama's shockwave should be at least 64 km in diameter.

Therefore, that chakra sphere which appears to have a diameter of 7 times greater than a normal bijuu dama will cause an explosion of 500 km which is country size.

And we all know that Juubi was merely using fragments of its godly power. If it had kyuubi's chakra, it would have done a 700 km explosion radius. Yes, that's how powerful Juubi is and is the reason rikudo feared its revival.

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

hello guys, a reply would have been nice

 

[Snape Uchiha]

Great thread, I like how well thought out this is.

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

Great thread, I like how well thought out this is.

I thank you very much for replying to my work.

 

[paratise]

That's some work bro.

Good analysis.

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

That's some work bro.

Good analysis.

Thanks caterpillar though I needed some help from a few members on NB

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Nice mate! Whereas the calc for the TBB was done on NF I assume, making it island level to country level in destructive capacity, the recent calc's was done on OBD which quantify it to some extent

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so .. info on this thing :

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^ Nagato first mentions it and says it was done via Chibaku Tensei

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^ Tobi says that, upon his deathbed, RS first split the Juubis chakra into the 9 bijuu and scattered them across the world (mentioned again here in more detail -

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) .. then he sealed its body in a stone prison inside the newly made Moon

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^ Madara later breaks the seal and summons the body from the moon (it is the Gedo Mazo), confirming that it was there the whole time.


all this info came from the stone tablet written by RS himself (

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how much energy would that take ? It had to pull all the mass to itself, keep it from falling apart (at least for some time) and levitating in the air and then get it all into moon orbit

refer to page 2+ of blogs comments



1) Potential Energy to put Moon into orbit (gravitational potential energy) :


E1 = G*(m1*M2)/r1
E2 = G*(m1*M2)/r2

G =

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m1 M2 = Moon/Earth masses

initial distance r1 = ~Earth mean radius = 6371km = 6371000 m

final distance r2 = ~385000 km = 385,000,000 m

E1 = 6.67×10^-11(7.3477E22*5.97219E24)/6,371,000 = 4.594E30 J

E2 = 6.67×10^-11(7.3477E22*5.97219E24)/385,000,000 = 7.6023E28 J

Total GPE = 4.594E30 - 7.6023E28 = 4.518E30 J = 1.08 Zettaton



2) rough alternative method ==> KE energy using escape velocity :

E = 0.5*7.3477E22*11200^2 = 4.608E30 J = 1.1 Zettaton

A possibly calc done by power scaling and initially ranks the Juubi at being way above country level, possibly continental via this powerscaling ....

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Epic thread!

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

Nice mate! Whereas the calc for the TBB was done on NF I assume, making it island level to country level in destructive capacity, the recent calc's was done on OBD which quantify it to some extent

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so .. info on this thing :

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^ Nagato first mentions it and says it was done via Chibaku Tensei

You must be registered for see links

^ Tobi says that, upon his deathbed, RS first split the Juubis chakra into the 9 bijuu and scattered them across the world (mentioned again here in more detail -

You must be registered for see links

) .. then he sealed its body in a stone prison inside the newly made Moon

You must be registered for see links

^ Madara later breaks the seal and summons the body from the moon (it is the Gedo Mazo), confirming that it was there the whole time.


all this info came from the stone tablet written by RS himself (

You must be registered for see links

)



how much energy would that take ? It had to pull all the mass to itself, keep it from falling apart (at least for some time) and levitating in the air and then get it all into moon orbit

refer to page 2+ of blogs comments



1) Potential Energy to put Moon into orbit (gravitational potential energy) :


E1 = G*(m1*M2)/r1
E2 = G*(m1*M2)/r2

G =

You must be registered for see links

m1 M2 = Moon/Earth masses

initial distance r1 = ~Earth mean radius = 6371km = 6371000 m

final distance r2 = ~385000 km = 385,000,000 m

E1 = 6.67×10^-11(7.3477E22*5.97219E24)/6,371,000 = 4.594E30 J

E2 = 6.67×10^-11(7.3477E22*5.97219E24)/385,000,000 = 7.6023E28 J

Total GPE = 4.594E30 - 7.6023E28 = 4.518E30 J = 1.08 Zettaton



2) rough alternative method ==> KE energy using escape velocity :

E = 0.5*7.3477E22*11200^2 = 4.608E30 J = 1.1 Zettaton

A possibly calc done by power scaling and initially ranks the Juubi at being way above country level, possibly continental via this powerscaling ....

Excuse me but I haven't understood this sentence well.:''''( Does the mass exert a force on Juubi?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Never mess with a biju....ever.

 

[Six Paths]

A lot of math in this but I like it a lot Juubi is BADASS

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

Thanks a lot. One thing is that if you try to analyse well, you would see that Kishi's writing differ. Look at the mountains size in the first bijuu dama explosion and the look at the juubi's bijuu dama pic. The mountains have definitely increased in size to reduce the emphasis of the massive juubi explosion

 

[foxyladyland]

nice thread and info math head ^_^
I think Deidara could beat Juubi :] if he plays tag with it and take it out for walks [: or flying :bouncy:
its like really powerful though.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Excuse me but I haven't understood this sentence well.:''''( Does the mass exert a force on Juubi?

It was about the CT the sage created, the force required to lift the mass and contain the gravational force to hold it one place and them lift it above the thermosphere into the moons orbit requires intense amount of energy, the calc was initially done to scale the JUUBI's power from it via powerscaling...to prove his DC and durability....being almost continental

But if you want the original calc for the JUUBI's DC here it is

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reworked the calc, using some old pics/scalings, don't mind them*


the feat:

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scaling :

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The average diameter of the reference spheroid is about 12,742 km

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(ignore the extra lines and the spelling)

I got 331.92 km diameter for the closest explosion


we are using the one towards the center

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- width = 332 km, radius = 166km

- 11/105.5*332 = 34.616 km, 5.5/105.5*332 = 17.308 km, 33/105.5*332 = 103.85 km

- rock volume = 4/3*pi*(34616/2)*(17308/2)^2 = 5,429,618,020,219 m^3

- rock mass = 5,429,618,020,219*2700 = 14659968654591300 kg

- rock PE = 14659968654591300*9.81*103850 = 14935114276284996814050 J

- rock SA = pi*(34616/2)*(17308/2) = 470558530 m^2

- 14935114276284996814050/470558530 = 31739121329466 J/m^2

- dome SA = 2*pi*r^2 = 2*pi*166000^2 = 173139454325 m^2

- Juubidama energy = 31739121329466*173139454325 = 5495294147738711783640450 J


UPDATE:
this was with Earth size assumption .. Waka got a low-end planet size here - 83,218.7km, that makes planets diameter 26,489.33 km or 2.0789 times bigger then Earths .. that means all scaled values get 2.0789 times bigger as well and the end energy value is 2.0789^4 times bigger (3 times increase come from bigger volume (r^3), another from PE height, 2 more from SA of dome increases (r^2) .. and subtract 2 times for cross-section area which also gets bigger, reducing the result .. 3+1+2-2 = 4 .. this is just a quick way to update the result w/o recalcing it all)

5495294147738711783640450*2.0789^4 = 102642055578518636574495209 J = 24.55 Petaton

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- looking at this we know that current incomplete Juubi can fire at least 4 BBs simultaneously

here it also looks like they're all exploding simultaneously and there's more of them, but we'll use 4 like the incomplete Juubi







Final Tally

One juubidamas power = 24.55 Petaton

Combined juubidamas power = 98.2 Petaton

This was the recent calc done on the JUUBI's DC ...which was above country level

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

It was about the CT the sage created, the force required to lift the mass and contain the gravational force to hold it one place and them lift it above the thermosphere into the moons orbit requires intense amount of energy, the calc was initially done to scale the JUUBI's power from it via powerscaling...to prove his DC and durability....being almost continental

But if you want the original calc for the JUUBI's DC here it is

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reworked the calc, using some old pics/scalings, don't mind them*


the feat:

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You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

scaling :

You must be registered for see links

Quote:
The average diameter of the reference spheroid is about 12,742 km

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

(ignore the extra lines and the spelling)

I got 331.92 km diameter for the closest explosion


we are using the one towards the center

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

- width = 332 km, radius = 166km

- 11/105.5*332 = 34.616 km, 5.5/105.5*332 = 17.308 km, 33/105.5*332 = 103.85 km

- rock volume = 4/3*pi*(34616/2)*(17308/2)^2 = 5,429,618,020,219 m^3

- rock mass = 5,429,618,020,219*2700 = 14659968654591300 kg

- rock PE = 14659968654591300*9.81*103850 = 14935114276284996814050 J

- rock SA = pi*(34616/2)*(17308/2) = 470558530 m^2

- 14935114276284996814050/470558530 = 31739121329466 J/m^2

- dome SA = 2*pi*r^2 = 2*pi*166000^2 = 173139454325 m^2

- Juubidama energy = 31739121329466*173139454325 = 5495294147738711783640450 J


UPDATE:
this was with Earth size assumption .. Waka got a low-end planet size here - 83,218.7km, that makes planets diameter 26,489.33 km or 2.0789 times bigger then Earths .. that means all scaled values get 2.0789 times bigger as well and the end energy value is 2.0789^4 times bigger (3 times increase come from bigger volume (r^3), another from PE height, 2 more from SA of dome increases (r^2) .. and subtract 2 times for cross-section area which also gets bigger, reducing the result .. 3+1+2-2 = 4 .. this is just a quick way to update the result w/o recalcing it all)

5495294147738711783640450*2.0789^4 = 102642055578518636574495209 J = 24.55 Petaton

You must be registered for see links

- looking at this we know that current incomplete Juubi can fire at least 4 BBs simultaneously

here it also looks like they're all exploding simultaneously and there's more of them, but we'll use 4 like the incomplete Juubi







Final Tally

One juubidamas power = 24.55 Petaton

Combined juubidamas power = 98.2 Petaton

This was the recent calc done on the JUUBI's DC ...which was above country level

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I can't rep you at the moment. Don't know why. Anyway, thanks for replying back and making your post even clearer. Indeed, Juubi had so much physical strength without its separated chakra that the Sage was forced to create the moon itself in fear that it will be revived. BTW, sorry for short reply

 

[cptenn94]

while there is signifigant speculation here, it is a well done thread. Nagato wanted the bijuu to make a country destroying weapon.... and the juubi is just that.

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

while there is signifigant speculation here, it is a well done thread. Nagato wanted the bijuu to make a country destroying weapon.... and the juubi is just that.

Thanks so much. However, the speculation is derived from many sourcesxdxdxd

 

[iNotorious]

That info math! Good research!

One does not simply underestimate the bijuu's dama

 

[BazzBee]

Nice calcing and what P3IN said

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Well done., I think a lot of people miss the scale of the version 2 Juubi....especially when you see the relatively small size of the Bijuudama craters.

Of course it is hard to judge how much the power scaling rises for every version of the Juubi's transformations so your analysis could even stand as a base line for its strength