Libya, your thoughts?

[Typhon]

So I've just been thinking about the situation in Libya. What do you guys think about the idea of an international intervention?

I think any time a revolution has the opportunity to be successful without outside influence then thats the course it should take. Such as with Egypt. When the people do it themselves any and all outcomes or consequences are their responsibility. If they achieve what they wanted, then they can truly call it theirs. If something goes wrong and things go in a bad direction (i.e. French Revolution) then they can only blame themselves.

But at the same time when does it become the responsibility of the international community? If a ruler is being unfair and cruel to their people, but the people don't have the strength to remove them, isn't it the moral responsibility of those with the capability to do it for them? But at the same time as we've seen in the past, outside interference often results in a poor outcome. Generally this is because poor decisions made by those intervening and certainly could have been prevented.

In my opinion, if the oppressed can't defend themselves against the oppressor, then its the moral obligation of others to provide aid. BUT, if they do, they must do it as a unified international community, not a US intervention, not a European intervention, not a "western" intervention, but a worldwide intervention.

Thoughts?

 

[garganeraboy]

let them sort this out themselves. They have their own principles and they dont need any external factors to help them out.

On another topic, the current unrest in Saudi is a bit scary, just imagine what would happen if the world's #1 oil producer and exporter suddenly stopped oil production/exportation. That would be disastrous.

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

So I've just been thinking about the situation in Libya. What do you guys think about the idea of an international intervention?

I think any time a revolution has the opportunity to be successful without outside influence then thats the course it should take. Such as with Egypt. When the people do it themselves any and all outcomes or consequences are their responsibility. If they achieve what they wanted, then they can truly call it theirs. If something goes wrong and things go in a bad direction (i.e. French Revolution) then they can only blame themselves.

But at the same time when does it become the responsibility of the international community? If a ruler is being unfair and cruel to their people, but the people don't have the strength to remove them, isn't it the moral responsibility of those with the capability to do it for them? But at the same time as we've seen in the past, outside interference often results in a poor outcome. Generally this is because poor decisions made by those intervening and certainly could have been prevented.

In my opinion, if the oppressed can't defend themselves against the oppressor, then its the moral obligation of others to provide aid. BUT, if they do, they must do it as a unified international community, not a US intervention, not a European intervention, not a "western" intervention, but a worldwide intervention.

Thoughts?

While I'm not fully informed on what the situation in Libya is, I have heard of it.

And, I also agree with you.

If a people have the power to bring forth a revolution without outside influence - from ANY country - then I think the world should allow them to do it themselves. I don't think so as much as the whole "if it fails the blame sits only with them" part, though, as governments are not easy to make or maintain - my French History is minimal at best, so I don't quite understand your reference.

I believe that other countries shouldn't interfere, mainly, so that the people of that nation can plant their feet on the ground, so to speak. If, for some reason, their new government does fail...well, we can only learn from our mistakes.

I also agree with you on the second part - if a people of a Nation NEED a revolution, but find themselves unable to create one for whatever reason, then I do think it is the responsibility of the International community to give those people a chance they deserve - and like you said, not just a U.S. intervention, or a European intervention, or a "Western" intervention.

As far as WHEN the International community should intervene, in a situation where the people can revolt, but it's going badly, is if the reason for that Nation's citizens to revolt is good enough for another to get behind. This would be very subjective in it's own way, but I don't think that makes it any less true. If people try to revolt and find themselves with only sticks and stones, and the Leaders retaliate with firearms and bombs, and find no chance of victory, then I think the International Community should step in to help the people.

The only one flawless plan in a revolt that I see - though, in itself is flawed - is that if the people would never stop fighting, then the Government of that country - any country - would HAVE to change.

If you kill all of the subjects you rule over, what do you have left? You become powerless, and are left with only land.

 

[Ańbu Juniør]

The situation in libya and the situation in egypt are 2 different things. The Egyptian people didn't have bombs raining down on them. The only thing the lybian ppl need help with is to establish a no fly zone. If that happens the they'll b able to fight equally

 

[shadedcrow]

So I've just been thinking about the situation in Libya. What do you guys think about the idea of an international intervention?

I think any time a revolution has the opportunity to be successful without outside influence then thats the course it should take. Such as with Egypt. When the people do it themselves any and all outcomes or consequences are their responsibility. If they achieve what they wanted, then they can truly call it theirs. If something goes wrong and things go in a bad direction (i.e. French Revolution) then they can only blame themselves.

But at the same time when does it become the responsibility of the international community? If a ruler is being unfair and cruel to their people, but the people don't have the strength to remove them, isn't it the moral responsibility of those with the capability to do it for them? But at the same time as we've seen in the past, outside interference often results in a poor outcome. Generally this is because poor decisions made by those intervening and certainly could have been prevented.

In my opinion, if the oppressed can't defend themselves against the oppressor, then its the moral obligation of others to provide aid. BUT, if they do, they must do it as a unified international community, not a US intervention, not a European intervention, not a "western" intervention, but a worldwide intervention.

Thoughts?

Outside intervention like such as what? I highly doubt that the guns and weapons that Libyan forces are fighting with were made in Libya. Even Egypt had forces out side of the country at work, Prez. Obama was sugesting that the former president left office, and facebook the social media site that was used to plan a lot of the revolution rallies was created in America as well. The moment our country became intertwined in other countries we begame involved with what happens around the world. Because of our policies with other and all the other countries we do we have to be "Big Brother" why do you think we whine bitch and complain about oil prices, and deal with international drug and human trafficing? I like the unified intervention thought, its a nice ideal, but you cant do it on a unified front with out starting a world war. Its not just the Libyians that you have to deal with its also anyone that has ties and deas with Libya as well like:war refugees have to deal with, home, feed, provide medical aid to, ect. With the global economic climate the way it is no one wants to dish out for a war or a fight that they dont have to. Good thread though. +1 rep

 

[Sharingan Itachi]

The people in Libya don't want any army to interfere for three reason which are: they don't want those armies to stick in Libya after they destroy the Qathafi and his mobs and take the remaining oil and after that they can design the new government the way they like

 

[Rambo200]

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