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So, I've had a few dms and discussions with people about what could change for the RP to reboot/revitalize etc. Some of things that came up are:
1. Power scaling
2. Customs
3. Ninja world
4. Testing
5. Systems
I had my own ideas while discussing and figured I'd put some out here for all. So I'll break it down. I'll put it in spoilers so you only have to read what you care about.
Before that, let me say, that I honestly believe the RP as it stands allows for both competitive play for those with a drive to be the best while also leaving you with many options to express your creative desires.
Power Scaling
An on going issue for many in the game (be them old or new) was the scaling of power and wanting to catch up to the insane abilities that existed. For example, some attacks were 180 damage. An S rank is 80 damage. You could have 2 boosts maximum and trying to catch up was never going to happen. Yin/yang being 140 damage, yin or yang being 120 damage. These huge numbers had people chasing something they could never catch with other abilities. Where the RP is about being creative, what's the point in being creative with something and feeling like it's worthless against everything else?
On the other side of it: You grinded out some amazing abilities to feel strong, did 40ish missions to unlock a bijuu to be strong and now someone just turned up and is crying they can't compete. Like bro, I've been working for months for this...
I think there needs to be scaling. Draw back the insane numbers. Have a max of 100 damage for the strongest for example, just above F ranks. Always have a max of 2 boosts. These boosts can only ever be +20 damage. The AP boosts reduce down.
It still leaves room for the top tier to feel stronger, yet doesn't make their goal unreachable.
(All of this is a rough idea which would need find combing and effort from those willing to correct it which is also not fair unless they were truly willing)
Customs
For years customs have drove the RP. For those who don't know, custom jutsu are your ways to add abilities to the game based on things you love. I made a series based on dragon slayers from Fairy Tale to suit my character for example. There are countless others who have done the same.
I think all customs should be now submitted to be added to the cannon lists where all can use them. I think what you submit should become a public part of the RP. It's like being a card collector and you'll never get the one you really want as one person bought them all and now you can't complete your project. That sucks.
I think all the current customs in peoples personal threads can be used in the battle grounds. I think if you wish to use them in the open world main story side, they need to be added to the list and reviewed to meet the scaling I mentioned above. I get people love what they have made. I know how much value you hold in them. I also hate the fact I'd never be able to finish my natsu bio as someone else made that custom and now I'm fucked. Nevermind they stole the idea from an anime and didn't come up with it themselves but I'm still locked out.
If you don't submit them to the review thread, you just can't use them in the open world. But can use them in the battle grounds. That way you could hold your old treasures.
The Ninja World
I think the RP needs to become an Anime RP and stop being called a Naruto RP as lets face it, how many new people are watching Naruto? The RP itself has become so much more. I'd still use the fundamentals that are embedded in the RP from the Naruto series, but I really think with how much is there now, it's time to call it an anime RP.
The ninja world needs trimming down. THe current story was so focussed on the few, the many felt left out and meaningless. Waiting for months for nothing. Reset the story, the threads. Trim down the map. Have "expansions" later maybe.
The stuff from the NW that was earned should be removed but players who earned it should be given Tokens of Merit.
Token of Merit: Items you can hand in when you have so many to purchase and unlock certain things.
The ninja world could also undo campaigns like in DnD. Once that campaign is complete, it all resets. Go again.
Testing
Remove it. No one wants to take tests. No one wants to grade tests. No one wants to fail tests.
Have tokens of merit as a currency you have a chance to gain from missions. Higher level mission, higher chance of a token. Trade them in for a higher tier ability. This streamlines the system. Opens it up to anyone who wants to grind and focuses on being creative.
Have a fail safe, if they abuse/misuse it, give a warning. Multiple accounts of misconduct, remove the ability.
Systems
I love and respect most of the systems in place. AP was a brilliant addition. Specs were too. I think some may need revisiting with some of the above changes I suggested, like the damage interaction. This is a long term thing though.
I'd still have tournaments. You don't like people's competitive nature to win? Don't join. It's the same in any game. I play 40k, Yugioh etc and I've seen the toxic nature to win in everything. I play the games to have fun and I focus on that. You should to.
You wanna get stronger? Grind stuff. Introduce events that are puzzle based outside of tournaments too. Loads of ways to balance the game with RP and Power
What ever you do, don't delete everything people on here worked so hard for. The threads, the ideas etc. That would be the biggest mistake you could make.
Make Premium cheaper in the Kin shop so people can buy it more often. Increase kin acquired per post so that people will post more to get Premium.
Add purple and gold username effects to the current blue one. Make Premium appealing like it was in the past. Bring back username symbols for Premium users also.
So, I've had a few dms and discussions with people about what could change for the RP to reboot/revitalize etc. Some of things that came up are:
1. Power scaling
2. Customs
3. Ninja world
4. Testing
5. Systems
I had my own ideas while discussing and figured I'd put some out here for all. So I'll break it down. I'll put it in spoilers so you only have to read what you care about.
Before that, let me say, that I honestly believe the RP as it stands allows for both competitive play for those with a drive to be the best while also leaving you with many options to express your creative desires.
Power Scaling
An on going issue for many in the game (be them old or new) was the scaling of power and wanting to catch up to the insane abilities that existed. For example, some attacks were 180 damage. An S rank is 80 damage. You could have 2 boosts maximum and trying to catch up was never going to happen. Yin/yang being 140 damage, yin or yang being 120 damage. These huge numbers had people chasing something they could never catch with other abilities. Where the RP is about being creative, what's the point in being creative with something and feeling like it's worthless against everything else?
On the other side of it: You grinded out some amazing abilities to feel strong, did 40ish missions to unlock a bijuu to be strong and now someone just turned up and is crying they can't compete. Like bro, I've been working for months for this...
I think there needs to be scaling. Draw back the insane numbers. Have a max of 100 damage for the strongest for example, just above F ranks. Always have a max of 2 boosts. These boosts can only ever be +20 damage. The AP boosts reduce down.
It still leaves room for the top tier to feel stronger, yet doesn't make their goal unreachable.
(All of this is a rough idea which would need find combing and effort from those willing to correct it which is also not fair unless they were truly willing)
Customs
For years customs have drove the RP. For those who don't know, custom jutsu are your ways to add abilities to the game based on things you love. I made a series based on dragon slayers from Fairy Tale to suit my character for example. There are countless others who have done the same.
I think all customs should be now submitted to be added to the cannon lists where all can use them. I think what you submit should become a public part of the RP. It's like being a card collector and you'll never get the one you really want as one person bought them all and now you can't complete your project. That sucks.
I think all the current customs in peoples personal threads can be used in the battle grounds. I think if you wish to use them in the open world main story side, they need to be added to the list and reviewed to meet the scaling I mentioned above. I get people love what they have made. I know how much value you hold in them. I also hate the fact I'd never be able to finish my natsu bio as someone else made that custom and now I'm fucked. Nevermind they stole the idea from an anime and didn't come up with it themselves but I'm still locked out.
If you don't submit them to the review thread, you just can't use them in the open world. But can use them in the battle grounds. That way you could hold your old treasures.
The Ninja World
I think the RP needs to become an Anime RP and stop being called a Naruto RP as lets face it, how many new people are watching Naruto? The RP itself has become so much more. I'd still use the fundamentals that are embedded in the RP from the Naruto series, but I really think with how much is there now, it's time to call it an anime RP.
The ninja world needs trimming down. THe current story was so focussed on the few, the many felt left out and meaningless. Waiting for months for nothing. Reset the story, the threads. Trim down the map. Have "expansions" later maybe.
The stuff from the NW that was earned should be removed but players who earned it should be given Tokens of Merit.
Token of Merit: Items you can hand in when you have so many to purchase and unlock certain things.
The ninja world could also undo campaigns like in DnD. Once that campaign is complete, it all resets. Go again.
Testing
Remove it. No one wants to take tests. No one wants to grade tests. No one wants to fail tests.
Have tokens of merit as a currency you have a chance to gain from missions. Higher level mission, higher chance of a token. Trade them in for a higher tier ability. This streamlines the system. Opens it up to anyone who wants to grind and focuses on being creative.
Have a fail safe, if they abuse/misuse it, give a warning. Multiple accounts of misconduct, remove the ability.
Systems
I love and respect most of the systems in place. AP was a brilliant addition. Specs were too. I think some may need revisiting with some of the above changes I suggested, like the damage interaction. This is a long term thing though.
I'd still have tournaments. You don't like people's competitive nature to win? Don't join. It's the same in any game. I play 40k, Yugioh etc and I've seen the toxic nature to win in everything. I play the games to have fun and I focus on that. You should to.
You wanna get stronger? Grind stuff. Introduce events that are puzzle based outside of tournaments too. Loads of ways to balance the game with RP and Power
What ever you do, don't delete everything people on here worked so hard for. The threads, the ideas etc. That would be the biggest mistake you could make.
I've been speaking with Pervvy on discord about all this and I agree with a few points. Again, I cant really comment on the other sides of the forum outside of the RP, as it holds little interest for me, but the RP section was where I could express my creativity, my creative writing as well as my RolePlaying itch as well. I originally found this forum looking for a Naruto MMO back in the day.
I think the biggest issue, which was also discussed many times was that the original RP was created so spur of the moment and slap dash, that all further improvements and adjustments were made from that flawed system. It was half made as a turn based combat, half made as an RP section, half made as a video game, half made as creative writing. What the RP lacked was an actual sense of direction and game sense. What I mean by that is an actual goal and direction the RP had to move in. As it went on, through multiple Head Mods, different moderators inputs, it became this amalgamation of an RPG, an MMO. It was very much the definition of too many cooks in the kitchen or "a camel is a horse designed by committee". Each one wanted to put their own design and spin on it. Granted, it survived but it eventually became something that was just putting bandaids on something inherently flawed and broken.
Breaking it down, it originally started as a Naruto RP/RPG/Game, which meant that there were the 'canon' character which got more screen time and showed off more techniques, that were considered 'stronger' than others. How could you compare Madara or Naruto or Sasuke to someone like Shikamaru or Jugo or even Zabuza. Thus, those that got more screentime got stronger better techniques. This then flowed into the reasoning of 'well if I want to be strong, why dont I just use a strong character?' Everything became about winning, because how could you compete with someone that has a base 140 damage attack, compared to the strongest thing you could do was 80 or 90 damage.
I get that the end game characters like Madara and Naruto and Sasuke all had more time and were the main characters, but if you want the RP section to actually be a fair game, there needs to be an even playing field without any advantage when it comes to your character. No matter whether you choose a canon character or make your own. Imagine you play an RPG or MMO and you create your own character but someone chooses the end game boss, its a bit unfair right? Doesnt make for a good game sense to have an unfair and uneven playing field.
That being said, I do not mean for everyone to have the same power, working and actually participating should give you strength and more power. It should reward you for actually developing your character. The main point is picking an end game canon character should not put you head and shoulders above people that put in time to actually work on their character.
Customs was always a difficult thing because of course people want to replicate their favourite abilities, make cool moves from games they saw and give flavour to their own character. That is part of the creativity for developing and making your own unique identity, however when it ends up becoming an arms race just to make the most powerful stuff, hoarding it like some billionaire in his bunker, then it just becomes a greedy power grab and forcing people to end up trying to get around the system, trying to come up with new ways to beat or cheat the system through clever wording or using different wording.
End of the day, I suppose adding customs to a growing canon list, I mean the rule that 'you cant make this because i already made it' is pretty stupid, considering we literally saw in series examples of people seeing something and making a similar or copy version of their own.
I've already made my thoughts clear on the ninja world previously to those in the community so I wont harp on it again. All Ill say is that its probably the most or second most important aspect of the rp section, and I think that there were some mistakes that shouldn't happen again.
As with testing, Ive also spoken my piece about it, the whole idea of testing for something that you couldn't be taught seemed like a really dumb idea which again I think was part of the broken system. Testing for something, passing, then being taught the abilities just seems backwards. Usually you get taught first then you take the test to pass and use what you got. But on top of that, I dont think its necessary, we already have moderation that says what can and cant be done, people were still making mistakes even after passing tests and abusing wording and trying to get around stuff, so the tests were unnuccesary.
But I will also add, not only does it gate keep abilities, but the idea of limiting characters to, 'only one person at a time can have this' shouldnt be a thing. Again, if you want to make this a proper actual game, dont gate keep, dont limit things, especially with such a small community.
Systems, well Ive said above the same, I think it was inherently flawed that just kept trying to add on more to a house of cards that eventually collapsed.
One thing I will say is that the system became so big and so inherently flawed that it really puts off new people joining. New people that would come in and seeing all the rules, all the restrictions and huge powers is just an immediate turn off, and I dont blame them. Having to read through 8/9/10 pages just to understand where to start and what the rules are definitely just makes it too much, especially in this time where people just want to jump in and play. If there was a new system, it would definitely need a quick play type option to start.
I dont think there will be a way to recapture the past glory of the RP, and I dont think there should be an attempt to, instead if there was a new version or some way to create a new RP, whether its through this site, through some kind of app or discord, it might work. Any new RP should be that, a new system, new rp, a completely new game, even if it does use the bones or structure of the old rp.
I feel like the key points have already been mentioned. I would come back if the following two things happen:
(1) Cloudflare is removed from the site
(2) The Naruto RP is revitalised
The first point would go a long way towards facilitating the second. Cloudflare is what struck the deathblow to the RP
I feel like the key points have already been mentioned. I would come back if the following two things happen:
(1) Cloudflare is removed from the site
(2) The Naruto RP is revitalised
The first point would go a long way towards facilitating the second. Cloudflare is what struck the deathblow to the RP
From what I remember, this is how it affected us: If you go idle on the page for 5-10 minutes (which is a common occurrence if you're typing up a long post), Cloudflare would kick in for re-verification once you attempt to post/navigate to another page. This would cause you to lose everything you had typed up. The other problem was simply people didn't enjoy waiting 5-7 seconds every time this happened and it made using the site more cumbersome than it needed to be
From what I remember, this is how it affected us: If you go idle on the page for 5-10 minutes (which is a common occurrence if you're typing up a long post), Cloudflare would kick in for re-verification once you attempt to post/navigate to another page. This would cause you to lose everything you had typed up. The other problem was simply people didn't enjoy waiting 5-7 seconds every time this happened and it made using the site more cumbersome than it needed to be
Wish I had known this sooner. That Cloudflare check was originally added to fight off a wave of spam and bot attacks we were getting at the time.
I'm not active in the RP Discord myself, so I hadn't heard this feedback earlier. I've just disabled that verification step now, since we've put other anti-spam measures in place.
Let me know if it improves the experience on your end.
Wish I had known this sooner. That Cloudflare check was originally added to fight off a wave of spam and bot attacks we were getting at the time.
I'm not active in the RP Discord myself, so I hadn't heard this feedback earlier. I've just disabled that verification step now, since we've put other anti-spam measures in place.
Let me know if it improves the experience on your end.
Wish I had known this sooner. That Cloudflare check was originally added to fight off a wave of spam and bot attacks we were getting at the time.
I'm not active in the RP Discord myself, so I hadn't heard this feedback earlier. I've just disabled that verification step now, since we've put other anti-spam measures in place.
Let me know if it improves the experience on your end.
Damn really bummed I didn't know about this earlier.. Maybe it was mentioned somewhere along the way and I just missed it, but that's exactly why things need to change structurally now. That just confirms it for me, we need a more structured way to catch this kind of feedback, especially when it affects the experience this much.
Thanks again for pointing it out. Feels like a small fix, but hopefully one that makes a big difference. Let's keep the momentum going.
Around Feb-May of last year, I had a lot of tragedies and deaths in the family that caused me to stepcaway from the RP and i left the handling of it to the other mods in the meantime. Currently at work but I have some thoughts about this in general that I'll try to edit this post and update in the next few hours. There have been some really nice suggestions here, both RP and overall site-wide.
Around Feb-May of last year, I had a lot of tragedies and deaths in the family that caused me to stepcaway from the RP and i left the handling of it to the other mods in the meantime. Currently at work but I have some thoughts about this in general that I'll try to edit this post and update in the next few hours. There have been some really nice suggestions here, both RP and overall site-wide.
Thanks for checking in and take your time.
Really sorry to hear about everything that happened last year. No explanation needed, and glad you're still around.
Around Feb-May of last year, I had a lot of tragedies and deaths in the family that caused me to stepcaway from the RP and i left the handling of it to the other mods in the meantime. Currently at work but I have some thoughts about this in general that I'll try to edit this post and update in the next few hours. There have been some really nice suggestions here, both RP and overall site-wide.
Around Feb-May of last year, I had a lot of tragedies and deaths in the family that caused me to stepcaway from the RP and i left the handling of it to the other mods in the meantime. Currently at work but I have some thoughts about this in general that I'll try to edit this post and update in the next few hours. There have been some really nice suggestions here, both RP and overall site-wide.
Can we get the option to have vacational bans? Some of us may want to take a break to focus on real life stuff (work, college, etc...) and the forum can be a bit too distracting sometimes, so I wish we get the opportunity to request from the admins for a temporary ban until we are ready to return whenever it's necessary.
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really bummed I didn't know about this earlier.. Maybe it was mentioned somewhere along the way and I just missed it, but that's exactly why things need to change structurally now. That just confirms it for me, we need a more structured way to catch this kind of feedback, especially when it affects the experience this much.
