[Discussion] ?Let's Talk About Ignorance NarutoBase!★

[The Amazing Spider Man]

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Wanted to take a break from writing the ol fanfic and start another discussion here. I know there isn't much user base nor is there really anyone who likes a long read but if you would take the time for Spidey. Hell I take the time to save your damn cat out of the tree every time ya neighbors dog barks that hoe into the afterlife. But anywho, let's get into the topic at hand.

Ignorance. What do I think ignorance is without looking for a definition I would say ignorance is.... when a person does something out of spite and completely disregards the knowledgable thing to do in a real life situation. Now let's see what definition Google gives us.

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Hm... well that means in every single one of my situations where I see something that seems so stupid. I shake my head and I think of this word. I am in the right. So this isn't to just complain or criticize people or things I have been through this is also a thread to dive into the meaning of Ignorance itself. By doing so we are going to need to go through different situations involving ignorance and then work our way up to a final verdict.

So lets say Billy has a meeting today with a bunch of his college classmates and when he sits down he pulls out his phone and starts watching videos. Billy is laughing and enjoying himself watching some Angry Joe and whatnot, all of a sudden a classmate says that Billy is a nobody. A few minutes later his friends join him and Billy is surrounded by people but the classmate still continues to pick apart Billy to try to find something negative about him. As if it is itching the classmate that Billy is so to himself.

Now where do you think the ignorance lies here?

Well in true fact it lies in the classmate. She (or he lol) has made a ignorant claim based on what she (or he) is trying to find on the outside without going to meet Billy and getting to know him for who he truly is. Why she (or he) has refused to do so and instead wants to critisize and judge due to the ignorance? Well NarutoBase that is what we are going to explore next.

The human mind tends to perceive things based on past experience and opinions. So what we are bringing ourselves to the table when we do these sorts of things are called biased opinions. Something that a lot of people just can't put it past themselves to get by. It's the ego that people have and they use that ego to give themselves this sense that they are in the right and must stick by every single thing their mind has come to a conclusion about.

For instance lets say that me and you are arguing about who is better. Neji or Lee. You have a huge ego behind you and an arsenal of his attacks memorized and I have facts critical evidence and knowledge of what not only Lee can do but what your favorite character Neji can do. So we debate. Go on and on, and as I deliver raw facts and analysis you still continue to go on saying that he is the more popular therefore he will recieve the win by default. See that right there is a biased opinion. And when we take this biased opinion and attach it to something that actually matters such as if Billy was to group up with this classmate for a project, and the classmate is to push Billy away making Billy fail. And what did Billy fail this project for? Pitiful ignorance and biased opinions.


Moving on to another situation we have Billy who has now grown older and is now working. The classmate is now looking at Billy the same way as before and is now telling everyone that Billy is nothing based on the things that Billy has and doesn't have. In this situation the classmate talks to Billy telling him that he is nothing. That he can't be anything because of where he is in his life.

Now this is a more higher mind of ignorance where we have something that is on the brink of complete and utter hatred for the Billy character but believe it or not there are people out here like this. The classmate has continued to judge with his biased opinions. We will now explore each of the two's backgrounds before we continue to our next situation.

Billy - Has grown up believing in the value of friendship. Has known no family nor seeks any sort of outside attention only wanting to remain among himself and in the company of his friends. Is poor has always been and has always been told he will continue to be. Through those hardships he fought hard to make it to where he is now. A manager at his favorite store and continuing on through college.

The Classmate - Grew up thinking he has to be the Wolf in every situation. Either you need to be on top of the others or you are nothing. Has always garnered attention due to the trends he follows and his charisma. Has to show and tell everything he has done and judges one based on how they look only trying to surround themselves by someone who they think looks appealing to their own biased likings. They will shut down any sort of happy or joy in another's life for their happiness or joy if need be. This person has had it given to them and is going to make it through college regardless.


We find Billy and his old Classmate later in their lives after they have graduated. Billy has grown older about to get married to his girl and The Classmate is having his own relationship with a women. Though Billy has grown and made a true man of himself every time The Classmate see's Billy every now and then at a ball game or at the mall, The Classmate still feels as if Billy is nothing. He has no house to support his woman only an apartment. The Classmates feels as if he deserves that and more being that he has his own house. The Classmate walks up to Billy asking him how he is doing. Billy answers, then remembering what The Classmate had said all those years ago and attempts to end the conversation. The Classmate continues the conversation and is sending subtle shots towards Billy's past life of being very poor and not able to afford things. He then talks of Billy's depression and says it's a sign of his weakness. Though Billy could explode at this very moment ending everything he laughs and walks away.

So without giving away what I was getting at here I will end it with this fascinating quote I found during my findings of the research I have done on this topic.

“The vast majority of human beings dislike and even actually dread all notions with which they are not familiar... Hence it comes about that at their first appearance innovators have generally been persecuted, and always derided as fools and madmen.”
― Aldous Huxley​

Here on the internet there are various versions of this and it really verges on the brink of insanity here lol It's like this invisible shield just allows for so much free speech that a ramble of insults as long as this thread could just be thrown at a person over something as small as a character debate. I mean I just look at some of the things you people call each other and I laugh but once I look back I just shake my head. It's just downright pathetic the ignorance that one has to swallow on the daily basis. Though the internet will always be a war ground for the wicked.


To come to an ending I will talk about anyone that may be dealing with ignorance or with any sort of depression that Billy here is faced with. I know you're probably scrolling down saying that the Billy character is actually me and it surely isn't but it's from stories I was told in the hospital during my exile during my depression period. Yea I know Spider-Man depressed that's INSANE but yea man it can happen to pretty much any of us if something hits us hard enough. I mean in the same year I lost my grandmother I get a job and I get everything I ever wanted just too fast. It was just a large 2015 for a bro and he had to take a step back and really look at life. Sometimes that's what we all need to do. Not saying that we are all going to recover from it. Like I still feel the rage till this day depression isn't just a sadness when it really gets down deep into you I think all the people who really have it know it's really a rage lol

Ok now to REALLY come to an ending I just want to say that you don't NEED to be a Billy nor do you NEED (Nor should I advise you to be.) A Classmate. I just want to try to advise you all to fight against ignorance. It's blissful in ways such as liking certain games or foods but when it really boils down to the things that really matter in life or like a person's life. I just advise you to try to be the critical thinker. The one who isn't sneak dissing in the background or the one trying to figure someone out by having a humongous debate with another person on why a certain person does something and continue to look down on the individual you speak about. I have always envisioned peace but it's kind of hard to achieve it when you have to fight through all these things that just boils down to one thing. Ignorance.

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-Excelsior!

 

[Zensum]

For instance someone not liking TLOP

 

[The Amazing Spider Man]

For instance someone not liking TLOP

XD This is a serious topic bro

 

[Joon]

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OT: I'm not going to lie. I tend to get emotional about some topics (normally in the General Discussion) and disregard the facts over a biased opinion. I feel as though I'm not a statistic or it needs a more moral attitude towards a particular situation, rather than saying, "the facts are this".

 

[Adam Driver]

Nice thread spidey! (web head xd )

 

[Ciao]

no one read all of that
liars all of u

 

[The Amazing Spider Man]

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OT: I'm not going to lie. I tend to get emotional about some topics (normally in the General Discussion) and disregard the facts over a biased opinion. I feel as though I'm not a statistic or it needs a more moral attitude towards a particular situation, rather than saying, "the facts are this".

Lol that gif is so fitting

But yea I understood that feeling back before I started to look at things the way I do now. You think it's pretty fine to stick to your own version of a fact but once it really starts getting to you or hurting other people or even hurting yourself mentally you just gotta stop and look at what you're thinking about on the daily. Some things aren't worth the breath and you say your piece and move on but it just depends on that topic and it's value. Things like general discussions are for topics such as this and if someone says they prefer being a classmate I wouldn't do as the old me would and start ranting at them I would just wonder what their past could be and move along. Everyone of us has a story.

 

[Bacillus]

I would say ignorance is.... when a person does something out of spite and completely disregards the knowledgable thing to do in a real life situation

i, er

I would say ignorance is.... when a person does something out of spite and completely disregards

what?

that's not ignorance, that's denialism

You have a huge ego behind you

difference in opinion, you mean

one may view it as factual, while the other may perceive it as something like a fallacious argument

the classmate is to push Billy away making Billy fail. And what did Billy fail this project for? Pitiful ignorance and biased opinions.

it takes 2 to tango, it's not entirely on people's perceptions and refusals, what are you even trying to do here

The classmate has continued to judge with his biased opinions.

that's fine, i won't argue that

Billy - Has grown up believing in the value of friendship. Has known no family nor seeks any sort of outside attention only wanting to remain among himself and in the company of his friends. Is poor has always been and has always been told he will continue to be. Through those hardships he fought hard to make it to where he is now. A manager at his favorite store and continuing on through college.

The Classmate - Grew up thinking he has to be the Wolf in every situation. Either you need to be on top of the others or you are nothing. Has always garnered attention due to the trends he follows and his charisma. Has to show and tell everything he has done and judges one based on how they look only trying to surround themselves by someone who they think looks appealing to their own biased likings. They will shut down any sort of happy or joy in another's life for their happiness or joy if need be. This person has had it given to them and is going to make it through college regardless.

this black and white thinking
you ignore any possible gray area to oversimplify these scenarios which is ignorant in itself

says it's a sign of his weakness.

finally, an actual accurate use of ignorance

i have nothing more to say as i read on because your point was strong, it's just your examples were utterly weak

I just advise you to try to be the critical thinker.

i concur, but this post doesn't show that in the slightest and promotes the exact opposite of critical thinking. since the scenarios you had shown in the middle and beginning of the post is incredibly subjective

i get what you're trying to do regardless, i applaud you for it

 

[The Amazing Spider Man]

i, er

what?

that's not ignorance, that's denialism


difference in opinion, you mean

one may view it as factual, while the other may perceive it as something like a fallacious argument


it takes 2 to tango, it's not entirely on people's perceptions and refusals, what are you even trying to do here


that's fine, i won't argue that


this black and white thinking
you ignore any possible gray area to oversimplify these scenarios which is ignorant in itself


finally, an actual accurate use of ignorance

i have nothing more to say as i read on because your point was strong, it's just your examples were utterly weak


i concur, but this post doesn't show that in the slightest and promotes the exact opposite of critical thinking. since the scenarios you had shown in the middle and beginning of the post is incredibly subjective

i get what you're trying to do regardless, i applaud you for it

1) Don't know what you are "ering" about it's my opinion

2) My version of the meaning NEARLY fits the definition which I clearly have posted.

3) Do you know that this is an actual story based on what people have been through. A guy has a big ego he has a big ego. Yea sure it's was the guys opinion but nevertheless what are you so uppity about man lol Go ask the guy yourself why he thought he had such a big ego.

4) Don't know what you are getting at here tbh. Yea it takes two to tango which is why they failed. What else is there to say b?

5)Then why bring it up?

6) I wasn't trying to make this more complex than it needed to be b. Stop trying to pick apart my thread to find things to complain about Remember. This is an actual scenario I was told at a hospital. This is real as it gets. Well unless you hear it from the guy who told me lol

7) There have been many accurate uses, you've just been highlighting anything that you find to have a disagreement with. Which is perfectly fine as long as you don't try to get snobby with a bro.

8) How the hell did this entire thread advice you to not be critical thinker!? Because I didn't use a more thrilling story with Inception levels of deepness XD ok bro ok.

And thanks for your response brosky

 

[Bacillus]

3. were both sides of the story revealed? meaning, each had a chance to share their own perspective and experience? i feel like there's a lot missing simply from the egotistical guy, that's all. you paint the egotistical man as if he's satan incarnate, with not really digging deeper as to why he's satan incarnate (and because this will likely be spat back at me as if i'm defending him, that in no way excuses the repugnant behavior and shallowness), while painting billy in a good light who's had endless struggles. again, this all comes down to perspective. while billy has his hardships, satan incarnate may've developed his blaring egotism from his alcoholic parents--which may have not been revealed at all and is missing entirely from the narrative, for instance. it's this line of thinking that opens up doors that you might not have otherwise thought about, see

my point being, no human, no hardship, no life is black and white--it's never been that way. you say successful vs unsuccessful, while i say successful with some stops along the road vs unsuccessful with some brilliant things that may've happened in someone's life. you say struggle vs lack of hardships. i say someone that struggled beyond belief but it wasn't endless and defeating, nor was the other's life rich and enchanting

4. because you chalk it up to ignorance when that simply isn't the case - it's two different perspectives at play here. i think what you're looking for is closeminded thinking, not ignorance

5. because, personally speaking, i didn't want to just attack your entire post and disregard the actual relevant matters you actually did well on describing. unnecessary and not very typical in debates, yes, but take it as you will

6. so, two things. one) you keep saying "it's as real as it gets" when, frankly, that doesn't matter in this. you are a third party sharing someone else's story, while i am someone on the internet trying to decipher if the real story is actually being revealed. a discussion is a discussion; this doesn't automatically validate what you're attempting to say. two) i criticize it fairly enough, it's not complaining, but rather, discussing things and trying to give a different perspective. you seem to be getting perturbed at this, which, i'm not even sure why, so apologies? i?

8. again, there's the oversimplification i've attempted to point out which destroys any chances at thinking critically

 

[The Amazing Spider Man]

3. were both sides of the story revealed? meaning, each had a chance to share their own perspective and experience? i feel like there's a lot missing simply from the egotistical guy, that's all. you paint the egotistical man as if he's satan incarnate, with not really digging deeper as to why he's satan incarnate (and because this will likely be spat back at me as if i'm defending him, that in no way excuses the repugnant behavior and shallowness), while painting billy in a good light who's had endless struggles. again, this all comes down to perspective. while billy has his hardships, satan incarnate may've developed his blaring egotism from his alcoholic parents--which may have not been revealed at all and is missing entirely from the narrative, for instance. it's this line of thinking that opens up doors that you might not have otherwise thought about, see

my point being, no human, no hardship, no life is black and white--it's never been that way. you say successful vs unsuccessful, while i say successful with some stops along the road vs unsuccessful with some brilliant things that may've happened in someone's life. you say struggle vs lack of hardships. i say someone that struggled beyond belief but it wasn't endless and defeating, nor was the other's life rich and enchanting

4. because you chalk it up to ignorance when that simply isn't the case - it's two different perspectives at play here. i think what you're looking for is closeminded thinking, not ignorance

5. because, personally speaking, i didn't want to just attack your entire post and disregard the actual relevant matters you actually did well on describing. unnecessary and not very typical in debates, yes, but take it as you will

6. so, two things. one) you keep saying "it's as real as it gets" when, frankly, that doesn't matter in this. you are a third party sharing someone else's story, while i am someone on the internet trying to decipher if the real story is actually being revealed. a discussion is a discussion; this doesn't automatically validate what you're attempting to say. two) i criticize it fairly enough, it's not complaining, but rather, discussing things and trying to give a different perspective. you seem to be getting perturbed at this, which, i'm not even sure why, so apologies? i?

8. again, there's the oversimplification i've attempted to point out which destroys any chances at thinking critically

1st Bold) I agree but that's completely out of my line of knowledge that's for a discussion between you and ol dude.

2nd Bold) You said it not me

3rd Bold) That's true but at the same time there is a wrong and a right. At the end of the day. The classmate is in the wrong.

4th Bold) It does matter. When you say it's black and white and life isn't that way well I bring up the fact that this is word of mouth.

5th Bold) Nah no need to apologize just don't like how you seem to want to critisize my story telling rather than discuss the topic at hand.

6th Bold) No matter how critical I got during this it seems you have failed to see it so instead of trying to point it out I'm just going to let this be. Your opinion.

 

[Bacillus]

okay, getting off track here

what you are describing isn't ignorance, it is close minded thinking, that's what i was attempting to get at. using ignorance in some ways excuses that lack of knowledge, but since you're describing narrow people and personalities, it doesn't apply

and that's probably why i was initially confused throughout reading your post originally and why i saw so many holes in your argument

since you like that soap opera-y stuff (this sounds patronizing, my apologies, it's not supposed to be),

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fits in perfectly with what you're describing. click the link, prepare to be wow'd. pay attention to the very header

 

[Xlad]

Ignorance? Oh boy...

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

if i were billy would've shut off that classmate on the spot but i've to agree with Bacillus it's close-minded thinking ; ignorence goes far beyond this .

 

[Dark Sonic]

no one read all of that
liars all of u

Well damn

 

[Ludicrous]

This was a good read. Critical thinking and the elimination of ignorance can help us be more accepting in the future.