lee and neji vs jiriaya

[LustyLover]

How?
Kisame was keeping up with a 7th gate Gai.
Jiraiya has an higher score for speed in the databooks, why can't he keep up as well with a slower version?

Kisame literally got screwed over by 7th gated Gai.

If you're seriously going by scores in the databook, something is wrong with you, plain and simple.

 

[RicardoA]

Kisame literally got screwed over by 7th gated Gai.

If you're seriously going by scores in the databook, something is wrong with you, plain and simple.

No he didn't. He got countered, that's different.
He was keeping up and counter attacked the whole time.

Why? Because you don't know how to interpret them correctly?
Just because character A has an higher score for speed than character B it doesn't mean character B is getting blitzed, it means character B will lose a foot race if it ever happens one between the two characters.

 

[LustyLover]

No he didn't. He got countered, that's different.
He was keeping up and counter attacked the whole time.

Why? Because you don't know how to interpret them correctly?
Just because character A has an higher score for speed than character B it doesn't mean character B is getting blitzed, it means character B will lose a foot race if it ever happens one between the two characters.

The databook is flawed...there's no way to interpret it; it's all incorrect. Are you trying to say that Itachi can keep up with an 8th gated Gai in a "foot race" because they both have the same score in speed? Not answering anymore. Bye.

 

[Braiyan]

- Did he even used the gates during part 2? ._. That's a hint that maybe he's not that uncounterable while using them.

He did when he proved that he was faster than Kamui.
By the way, still waiting on those links that prove Jiraiya has the speed to launch an attack anywhere near as fast as Kamui.

He doesn't need to possess similar speed, speed determines who wins a race, not a battle. Lee is faster than Gaara, but still lost.

Gaara had sand armor, a defense that could withstand Lee's attacks for the duration of the match. Jiraiya does not have such a defense.

- Orochimaru is faster than Tsunade, still got pawned...

Oro had sealed, unusable arms. That had an effect on his ability to fight. Whereas Tsunade has regeneration, which Jiraiya doesn't. Nevermind the fact that he still slashed up Tsunade pretty badly, and only got hit once. Not sure how that counts as being "pawned".

There's a reason why Jiraiya was considered for Hokage and Lee is still a Chunin. They're simply not on the same level. Realistically, could you imagine Lee taking out an S-level opponent, say, Onoki, simply because he's faster?

This is irrelevant. Naruto is still a Genin and would take out 99% of the Narutoverse. What feats does Jiraiya have that imply he can react sufficiently to, and track Lee's speed?

- - The whole point of her fighting the Raikage was to let Naruto go to war (

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). He and Bee would've moved on to the battlefield while she would stay back to confront the Raikage and stop him from killing the Jinchuuriki.

That may have been her intent, but there is nothing implying that she could really stop the Raikage from going after Bee and Naruto if he wanted to. This doesn't say anything about her actually being fast enough to stop A.

- Yet, here is Naruto being kicked by weaker Jinchuuriki with lower forms (

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), then blitzed by Obito (

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).

The jinchuriki are not slowpokes and were able to overwhelm Naruto with numbers.
As for the Obito scene, Obito himself is not slow by any stretch of the imagination either, seeing that he was able to keep up with Minato. Whereas Naruto had his movements severely hampered by the coral on his back.

The Raikage was keeping up just fine (

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) until he used a diversion (

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).

Naruto admits that the Third Raikage is around A's speed, who he struggled to get past for a while before finally coming out on top in terms of speed. Of course he would have some difficulty landing a hit on him.

- Here is Madara calmly parrying Naruto's attack while he was enraged (

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).
Its still possible to hit, react, counter attack faster opponents.

Naruto was free-falling from the sky in that instance. He was not using his speed (he probably thought he didn't have to. He doesn't know Madara can counter mini-Bijuudamas).

Nevermind the fact that Jiraiya has not shown himself to be anywhere as fast as Naruto or any of the fast persons he faced.

- - You proved the attack hit, not that Kisame couldn't react. If you're talking about 6th gate Gai blitzing Kisame's clone, that hold's no weight because the real Kisame was keeping up with 7th gate Gai the whole time.

7th Gate Guy literally only used Hirudora and

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, the second of which Kisame could not react to in the slightest. That is not "keeping up", especially when Guy was underwater in the first instance, did not move anywhere, and was more focused on finding a scroll than blitzing Kisame.

- He wanted to incapacitate Kisame, a blitz would've been great for that effect, he just couldn't pull it off w/o Kisame counter attacking first.

He wanted to get the scroll first.

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. Blitzing Kisame at that point would have been useless as he still wouldn't get the scroll.

- He can be outsmarted into falling onto Jiraiya's pool of mud if he's too focused on avoiding a Katon and doesn't pay enough attention to his surroundings.

Where is Jiraiya getting the speed to use Yomi Numa in such a way that it catches Lee after he dodges a Katon? How is he tracking Gated Lee's movements so well that he can lead him to a trap? If Lee dodges a Katon he's going to go straight for Jiraiya and attack him before he uses seals for another jutsu, or run around him and attack him from behind.

 

[Arwin T]

Jiraiya could deal with an out of control Naruto. He only had a near-death experience doing so because he had no killing intent and tried to safely seal the chakra back inside of Naruto. And I believe it was Four-Tailed Naruto, not tree-tailed.

You overrate Lee. You honestly believe Lee would blitz a Sannin like Jiraiya? That is misconception of clear portrayal.

 

[Arwin T]

And to the person who made this versus match... Restricting Jiraiyas Summons is very unfair. He is known as the Toad Sage, most of his Toad techniques are Summons. Yet if he faced Lee alone, he would still have his ways of entering Sage-Mode & from that point on destroy him. However you gave Lee, Neji with his enhanced vision.. So this match-up is incredibly unfair..

 

[Prince Charles]

And to the person who made this versus match... Restricting Jiraiyas Summons is very unfair. He is known as the Toad Sage, most of his Toad techniques are Summons. Yet if he faced Lee alone, he would still have his ways of entering Sage-Mode & from that point on destroy him. However you gave Lee, Neji with his enhanced vision.. So this match-up is incredibly unfair..

You tryna to sneak diss me bro? The name is Turnt Up King A.k.A Prince charles!!!

And I took away his summons to make it more interesting =D, with his summons the match is more within his hands...

 

[TheEvilOne]

You're right. It is off topic, because it doesn't change the fact that Lee would beat Jiraiya.

Reopening the registration was clearly a mistake.

 

[paratise]

Without summons?
Jiraiya's arsenal gets significantly smaller.

Fire assaults would easily get evaded or blocked by kaiten, Jiraiya can't attack when he is covered with hair (other than needles that canbe dodged or blocked easily) so that defense won't do much as Lee and Neji won't need to get into much defense/offense either (gentle fist probably get pass though). Swamp would get repelled by gates or full body blow.

Team would win about mid diff.

 

[RedRobin]

Reopening the registration was clearly a mistake.

Not cool man not cool. lol

 

[TheEvilOne]

Not cool man not cool. lol

Well you are an exception.

 

[Rufus ShinRa]

Jiraya wins with low diff lol........Toad mouth and then gg...........

 

[RedRobin]

Jiraya wins with low diff lol........Toad mouth and then gg...........

They have to be in a closed space for that to work.

 

[Touken]

Team wins mid diff. Jiraiya isn't reacting to 5G/6G Lee and his Katon techs are dodged or dispersed by Hakke Kusho.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Team wins mid diff. Jiraiya isn't reacting to 5G/6G Lee and his Katon techs are dodged or dispersed by Hakke Kusho.

Says who exactly?

 

[Touken]

Says who exactly?

I did. Did you not read?

 

[TheEvilOne]

I did. Did you not read?

Could you at least support your opinion?

 

[Touken]

Could you at least support your opinion?

Against you? I don't even wanna try.

 

[Apêx1]

Alright I have came down to the belief that Jiraiya should win this high diff. Jiraiya's hair should be the absolute counter to both Lee and Neji, considering it can prevent Neji from using rotation and Lee from having an effect with physical attacks. Oil bullets should potentially cause trouble for Lee as well since he will have to watch out where he's walking if he doesn't want to be slowed down. Anyone saying the hair's strength isn't enough is deluded. It was capable of making a crab summon, who has an outer layer of armour to go "poof" [

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]. It can also pierce either of the two with relatively low difficulty [

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]. Lee isn't having much effect in this match., his physical attacks are blocked with no difficulty [

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]. Swamp of the underworld (a much smaller version, to save chakra) and not need to worry about it himself can be a game changer for lee as well. Nothing suggests Lee is proficient in reading hand seals and then immediately realising the swamp is coming from under his feet so that he can counter. It is unlikely, unless someone is willing to give proof. Once its occurred, Lee is basically an easy target for Katon, thus the swamp is dried up and it is unlikely he will be leaving it (he's probably fried as well).

 

[TheEvilOne]

Against you? I don't even wanna try.

Well so you admit Jiraiya can perfectly react to his speed.