[Gen] Learning Genjutsu with Noni cuz Reborn dropped me

[Yanks]

Re: Learning Genjutsu with Reborn

Mhm, sure was

With Layering with Genjutsu, it's a must that you have to use the higher ranked illusion first before the weaker one; otherwise, the layering won't work. Pretty much going along with that, when layering illusions, you're only able to use two genjutsu. To break out of it, the only sure way is to break out of the higher ranked technique; and by doing that, the chakra put into the stronger one will easily break the weaker technique. Though layering genjutsu in battle is an effective offensive in a battle, it may not always work all the way since the target has the opportunity to release himself from the first illusion before the second is layered on.

 

[Reborn]

Re: Learning Genjutsu with Reborn

You are correct in that the stronger of the two must be placed before the weaker to prevent it from being overridden. You're not correct to say you can only layer two genjutsu on a person. It is typical for you to layer two, I mean that is the minimum for a layer, however the rules don't explicitly state you can only use two, so keep that in mind. Just don't be excessive with it

Now the thing about layering is tricky, it takes the timeframe rule saying you can't cast two jutsu before your opponent casts one. However the idea of layering genjutsu is about skill, timing, and the ability to pull off the the right technique at the right time and then follow up with another. Most canon combinations aren't the greatest for multi-layering, however this area is more for a custom range. If you were to say have...like nearly 60 genjutsu customs at your disposal, plus Sharingan genjutsu, and canon genjutsu, sound genjutsu you have quite the umm...lethal arsanal, there's bound to be a few good combinations between them.

You also forgot to mention the compatibility rule. In short, you can't case a genjutsu that conflicts with another in affects. No causing your opponent to be violently tortured to the brink of near death and then creating a soothing memorizing day at the beach without any worries. The goal behind layering a genjutsu is to enhance the affects of one genjutsu or to strengthen the level of damage inflicted with your illusions by overloading your opponent.

Questions?

 

[Yanks]

Re: Learning Genjutsu with Reborn

Gotcha; No questions.

 

[Reborn]

Re: Learning Genjutsu with Reborn

Banned....

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[Yanks]

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Banned....

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well, obviously

 

[Reborn]

Re: Learning Genjutsu with Reborn

Quiet smart ass.

Now it has occured to me of a few other methods in which one can break genjutsu. They are included in the subset, however, of external chakra.

Chakra Absorption
Natural Energy
Curse Sealing (Orochimaru)
Bijuu

I want you to tell me how these would break genjutsu or take estimated guesses. I already gave you a hint by telling you they revolve around the chakra insertion method.

 

[Reborn]

Re: Learning Genjutsu with Reborn

Dropped like a dumpster baby...

 

[Noni]

Re: Learning Genjutsu with Reborn

Have you learned a jutsu yet <_<?

 

[Yanks]

Re: Learning Genjutsu with Reborn

No :|

 

[Noni]

Re: Learning Genjutsu with Reborn

Simply give me how you would counter this. I'm sure Kevin had you go through deducing the genjutsus and such, so lets start.


( Genjutsu: Kasumi ) - Illusion Technique: Servant
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 10
Damage Points: 20
Description: The user does one handseal and throws a paper bomb at the enemy. The enemy, trapped in a genjutsu will see a clone of the user advancing upon him. As the paper bomb reaches the enemy, it explodes

This is a rather simple Genjutsu in nature. The user will do one hand seal and throw a paper bomb at the opponent. The opponent genjutsu will appear as if a clone is running at them straight forward, now as the tag makes way to the opponent it will explode. The clone is nothing more, but an illusion meant to momentarily distract the opponent as the real damaging effect is making way to him. Now this is a rather simple jutsu, which doesn't have much to explain. The real key to deducing this is the clone, pay attention and use your senses to deduce him being an illusion.

 

[Yanks]

Re: Learning Genjutsu with Reborn

Based off the description, it would look odd for someone to appear to create a clone while waving their hand in a way that resembles hurling a simple ninja tool. I suppose that was give off enough suspicion to think that the clone isn't one at all.

 

[Noni]

Re: Learning Genjutsu with Reborn

What about using your other senses? What about also looking at how the clone interacts with other material such as grass and wind?

 

[Yanks]

Re: Learning Genjutsu with Reborn

Since the clone isn't actually real, the grass wouldn't have the appearance of getting trempled on. If it's a windy day, I'm guessing that the clone wouldn't seem to be affected by it, as in his clothes or hair.

 

[Noni]

Re: Learning Genjutsu with Reborn

( Kasumi Jūsha no Jutsu ) - Mist Servant Technique
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost:10
Damage Points: N/A
Description: This illusion creates numerous illusionary clones of the user that appear to emerge from the ground, trees, rocks, etc. If these clones are attacked, they appear to multiply. The user can co-ordinate his attacks with the clones to make it appear as if they are real.

Similar to what we already spoke about. Many clones of the user will appear sporadically around the terrain to attempt an attack on the opponent. What is unique about this compared to others is how the user can actually move them and work the illusion to his/her need in the fight. And when attacked, they seem to multiply. In hindsight this is quite the frightening technique.

Anyway, explain this tech to me and how you might use it? This seems to be something that can work really well with terrain, any examples? And I also suspect these clones to work well with distractions and to use with taijutsu. Can these clones actually physically harm the opponent? How would you break this?

 

[Yanks]

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In my opinion, this is a handy techniqu that can catch my opponent by surprise since they're able to come from anywhere in the terrain. Right after using this, I would throw in a couple of clones. While my opponent is busy with the fakes, I'd have the clones attack in their blind side. No, the clones cannot actually harm my opponent; as shown during the forest of death fight between team 7 and those Ame guys. I would notice this is an illusion since the clones wouldn't give off any shadows or affect/be affected by the terrain.

 

[Noni]

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( Magen: Narakumi ) - Demonic Illusion: Hell Viewing
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 10
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user performs two handseals causing it to appear as if a swirl of leaves surrounds the opponent. The swirl eventually falls away, and after a few seconds, the opponent sees the image of whatever they fear the most, shocking them and potentially causing them to faint.

Wow, so pretty simple, two hand seals, leaves appear around and surround opponent. The leaves fall down after a few seconds, and what appears ahead of the opponent their greatest fear which induces some nice effects.

Personally, this technique gives it off as a potential great, but is very vague lol. I mean what does a person fear the most? Object, events, people, etc? Lol but that isn't the point for this is an adaptable genjutsu and the answer of what they see is specific to what the user allows them to fear the most. Anyway, I see some dead give aways for detecting this genjutsu. Care to explain some? Also, combination is obvious, this is meant to distract them, but what type of terrain do you think this technique is best used on?

 

[Yanks]

Re: Learning Genjutsu with Reborn

Well for one, I wouldn't feel any strong gusts of wind, even though wind would be mandatory for leaves to pick up and swirl like that. Also, right off the bat, I'd assume it would be related to wind release, but with the Sharingan, no Ninjutsu chakra sources would be present. In Addition, some of the scenarios my opponent would try to create wouldn't make sense (i.e. Sasuke's parents getting decapitated, even though their already dead before hand). I think it would be best used in a windy terrain so my opponent would be less inclined to notice.

 

[Noni]

Re: Learning Genjutsu with Reborn

( Kori Shinchū no Jutsu ) - Sly Mind Affect Technique
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost:15
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion on the opponent that makes them believe they are travelling in a straight line, when instead they are moving in circles. This is only effective on moving opponents. If the opponent travels in the circle for hours, they will be exhausted.

How do you think this jutsu stacks with combinations? What would you use? Personally I despite it takes hours for the exhaustion to take place, its not like the opponent won't realize its a genjutsu by then xD. But this has specific issues and can be used against specific people. Also, what is a key to countering this?

( Genjutsu: Jinmon ) - Illusion Technique: Interrogation
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost:15
Damage Points:30
Description: The user of this technique, upon casting on a stationary opponent with physical contact with them, is able to convince the enemy to give away information. However, this will only work on ninja two ranks lower and below than the caster.

A lot of supplementary use, how would you prevent this as well as use this for your advantage? Works great for the NW.

 

[Yanks]

Re: Learning Genjutsu with Reborn

Idk lol I'd probably just place a spiked wall in their path and let them run into it at full speed or something. I'd come to a conclusion that I'm in a genjutsu when I don't seem to be getting anywhere or if I get "close" to my opponent, they probably wouldn't have a reaction and try to use CQC since I'm no where near them at all. Coming to this realization, I would stop moving and the illusion should stop.
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Based on the description, this wouldn't even work on me since I'm a sage lol But it can be prevented by constantly moving in any way possible or moving away to a safer distance. Like you mentioned, this is a pretty good way to gain information about anything without metagaming.

 

[Noni]

Re: Learning Genjutsu with Reborn

The illusion would not stop all because you stopped moving physically . The genjutsu will remain until you break it within the three specific tasks, kai, surge, and pain. You have to deduce it, and then break it. Any questions or concerns?