[Gen] Learning Genjutsu with Noni cuz Reborn dropped me
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Now I want you to give me your thoughts about breaking genjutsu. I don't know if you've been in any fights yet, or how many you've been in where you've been faced with genjutsu. However, there are some general misconceptions concerning detecting and breaking genutsu with various methods, primarily pain (though that's pretty much been quantified) and techniques that constitute as "Full Body Surges" So let me ask you
What are your thoughts on anything revolving around detecting/breaking genjutsu and which cannon techniques do you think constitute as fullbody surges (I want a list of jutsu for the latter)
Now I want you to give me your thoughts about breaking genjutsu. I don't know if you've been in any fights yet, or how many you've been in where you've been faced with genjutsu. However, there are some general misconceptions concerning detecting and breaking genutsu with various methods, primarily pain (though that's pretty much been quantified) and techniques that constitute as "Full Body Surges" So let me ask you
What are your thoughts on anything revolving around detecting/breaking genjutsu and which cannon techniques do you think constitute as fullbody surges (I want a list of jutsu for the latter)
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Well personally, I think the pain release is the best method, to an extent, rather than the full body surge or Kai since it requires literally no chakra to perform. Though I wouldn't prefer it on A-Ranked genjutsu of higher.
(Raiton: Chidori Nagashi) - Lightning Release: One Thousand Birds Current
(Doton: Keijūgan no Jutsu) - Earth Release: Light Weight Rock Technique
(Doton: Kajūgan no Jutsu): Earth Style: Added Weight Rock Technique
(Doton: Chōkeijūgan no Jutsu) - Earth Release: Earth Release: Ultra Light-Weight Rock Technique
(Doton: Chō Kajūgan no Jutsu) - Earth Release: Super Added Weight Rock Technique
(Jūkenpō: Ichigekimi) - Gentle Fist Style: One blow Body
Well personally, I think the pain release is the best method, to an extent, rather than the full body surge or Kai since it requires literally no chakra to perform. Though I wouldn't prefer it on A-Ranked genjutsu of higher.
(Raiton: Chidori Nagashi) - Lightning Release: One Thousand Birds Current
Rank: A
Type: Offense/Defence
Range: Short (Mid if channeled through a medium)
Chakra Cost: 30
Damage Points: N/A (+10 if used to boost weapon damage)
Description: This jutsu allows the user to generate non-focused electricity from their body. It can be used as an omnidirectional attack or be channeled through weapons, the ground or other conductive mediums. Because the electricity isn't focused, it doesn't kill on contact, instead it has great numbing and paralyzing effects. To channel Nagashi through a medium, the user needs to focus the technique into one of his hands which will then be put in contact with the medium and can only choose to either do a widespread attack throughout his whole body or to channel it into something; he cannot achieve both usages at the same time. Despite not having much destructive or damaging properties, Nagashi can be used to destroy low rank earthen and wooden structures and even negate chakra on the ground to stop high ranked earth and wood techniques. It has also been noted that Lightning Specialists that have mastered Lightning to the highest degree can resist total paralyzation, although they still feel the pain and numbing effects.
Note: Paralyzation lasts 1 turn if sucessful but is ineffective against bios who have a primary Lightning Specialty
Type: Offense/Defence
Range: Short (Mid if channeled through a medium)
Chakra Cost: 30
Damage Points: N/A (+10 if used to boost weapon damage)
Description: This jutsu allows the user to generate non-focused electricity from their body. It can be used as an omnidirectional attack or be channeled through weapons, the ground or other conductive mediums. Because the electricity isn't focused, it doesn't kill on contact, instead it has great numbing and paralyzing effects. To channel Nagashi through a medium, the user needs to focus the technique into one of his hands which will then be put in contact with the medium and can only choose to either do a widespread attack throughout his whole body or to channel it into something; he cannot achieve both usages at the same time. Despite not having much destructive or damaging properties, Nagashi can be used to destroy low rank earthen and wooden structures and even negate chakra on the ground to stop high ranked earth and wood techniques. It has also been noted that Lightning Specialists that have mastered Lightning to the highest degree can resist total paralyzation, although they still feel the pain and numbing effects.
Note: Paralyzation lasts 1 turn if sucessful but is ineffective against bios who have a primary Lightning Specialty
Rank: A
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: N/A (up to -20 if used to boost speed of a physical attack)
Description: Contrary to its counterpart (the Earth Release: Added-Weight Rock Technique), instead of making the target heavier, this technique makes it much lighter, though still using the same principle and mechanics. The user will make direct contact with the given target (through his hands), infusing them with earth chakra and lowering their weight drastically. The technique can lower a targets weight up to 10 times less than it originally had. This allows freer manipulation of the affected objects, which would normally carry considerably more weight and as such, require a greater amount of exertion to move. The technique can be used on the user or other shinobi to increase their speed, but as a consequence of using it this way, it results in the decrease of the physical force of their blows. The same principle applies if used on a physical attack wich will be faster but will carry less momentum and as such, less physical damage. It doesn't change the "strength" of binding techniques (like Sand Release), where the user is manipulating a dynamic element but will decrease the impact damage of techniques that rely on it.
Note: The initial effects last for 2 turns or until countered.
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: N/A (up to -20 if used to boost speed of a physical attack)
Description: Contrary to its counterpart (the Earth Release: Added-Weight Rock Technique), instead of making the target heavier, this technique makes it much lighter, though still using the same principle and mechanics. The user will make direct contact with the given target (through his hands), infusing them with earth chakra and lowering their weight drastically. The technique can lower a targets weight up to 10 times less than it originally had. This allows freer manipulation of the affected objects, which would normally carry considerably more weight and as such, require a greater amount of exertion to move. The technique can be used on the user or other shinobi to increase their speed, but as a consequence of using it this way, it results in the decrease of the physical force of their blows. The same principle applies if used on a physical attack wich will be faster but will carry less momentum and as such, less physical damage. It doesn't change the "strength" of binding techniques (like Sand Release), where the user is manipulating a dynamic element but will decrease the impact damage of techniques that rely on it.
Note: The initial effects last for 2 turns or until countered.
Rank: A
Type: Offensive/Defensive
Range: short
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: N/A (up to +20 if used to add damage)
Description: The user will perform the Snake handseal and touch a given target (he needs to use his hands in most cases but can release the technique through his whole body if needed) for a small time frame. Upon doing so, he'll use the earth chakra to increase the weight of the target drastically. The technique can increase the targets weight up to 10 times. One interesting side effect of the technique is that when its used on wood based techniques (such as Zetsu's spore clones or normal wood), the infusion of large amounts of earth chakra into it will actually petrify the target in addition to increasing its weight. A similar effect can be achieved in other earthen materials such as mud. The user can also add weight to a given attack (if feasible) to increase both momentum and impact force, effectively adding damage to it.
Note: The weight change lasts 2 turns or until countered.
Type: Offensive/Defensive
Range: short
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: N/A (up to +20 if used to add damage)
Description: The user will perform the Snake handseal and touch a given target (he needs to use his hands in most cases but can release the technique through his whole body if needed) for a small time frame. Upon doing so, he'll use the earth chakra to increase the weight of the target drastically. The technique can increase the targets weight up to 10 times. One interesting side effect of the technique is that when its used on wood based techniques (such as Zetsu's spore clones or normal wood), the infusion of large amounts of earth chakra into it will actually petrify the target in addition to increasing its weight. A similar effect can be achieved in other earthen materials such as mud. The user can also add weight to a given attack (if feasible) to increase both momentum and impact force, effectively adding damage to it.
Note: The weight change lasts 2 turns or until countered.
Rank: S
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 40
Damage poitns: N/A (up to -40 if used to boost speed of a physical attack)
Description: A more advanced version of the Earth Release: Light-Weight Rock Technique, in which the user drastically decreases the weight of any object in direct physical contact, but to a much greater extent than that of the original ability. The technique can decrease the weight of the target to virtually zero but the bigger the target, the more time is needed.
Note: The weight change lasts 2 turns or until countered.
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 40
Damage poitns: N/A (up to -40 if used to boost speed of a physical attack)
Description: A more advanced version of the Earth Release: Light-Weight Rock Technique, in which the user drastically decreases the weight of any object in direct physical contact, but to a much greater extent than that of the original ability. The technique can decrease the weight of the target to virtually zero but the bigger the target, the more time is needed.
Note: The weight change lasts 2 turns or until countered.
Rank: S
Type: Offensive
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 40
Damage points: N/A (up to +40 if used to add damage)
Description: A more advanced version of the Earth Release: Added Weight Rock Technique, in which the user drastically increases the weight of any object in direct physical contact, but to a much greater extent than that of the original ability. This technique can increase the weight of a target up to 100 times. Under certain circumstances, the technique can be used to increase the force behind attacks.
Note: The weight change lasts 2 turns or until countered.
Type: Offensive
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 40
Damage points: N/A (up to +40 if used to add damage)
Description: A more advanced version of the Earth Release: Added Weight Rock Technique, in which the user drastically increases the weight of any object in direct physical contact, but to a much greater extent than that of the original ability. This technique can increase the weight of a target up to 100 times. Under certain circumstances, the technique can be used to increase the force behind attacks.
Note: The weight change lasts 2 turns or until countered.
Rank: A
Type: Offensive
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: 60
Description: Using their ability to expel chakra from every chakra point on their body, a member of the Hyūga clan can hit their opponent with a blast of chakra that will send them flying away from the user. It was also shown when Kisame's Water Prison Technique trapped Neji that the user can use it to target weak point in the technique that they see with their Byakugan in order to dispel it.
Type: Offensive
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: 60
Description: Using their ability to expel chakra from every chakra point on their body, a member of the Hyūga clan can hit their opponent with a blast of chakra that will send them flying away from the user. It was also shown when Kisame's Water Prison Technique trapped Neji that the user can use it to target weak point in the technique that they see with their Byakugan in order to dispel it.
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Pain is the worst method to me, the reason why is because people will exploit the fact that you like to use pain and will cast higher ranked and stronger illusions. Though the trade off is better; no chakra usage therefore you live longer. Just think about if somebody casts an S-ranked illusion on you.
Significant damage has to be done to you in order to break it. Damage that will most certainly be hindering and your opponent won't let you metagame or bs your way out of it saying you can withstand the pain. The more injury you inflict on yourself like a masochist, the more your opponent gains the upper hand, it's only a matter of exploiting that the afflicted areas.
2-5 are incorrect. These techniques cannot be used to release genjutsu. I forget the reasoning that was given behind it but it was deemed so and I'll likely find out and tell you later but one and six are acceptable methods of release. Other than why the others aren't, do you have any questions thus far?
Pain is the worst method to me, the reason why is because people will exploit the fact that you like to use pain and will cast higher ranked and stronger illusions. Though the trade off is better; no chakra usage therefore you live longer. Just think about if somebody casts an S-ranked illusion on you.
Significant damage has to be done to you in order to break it. Damage that will most certainly be hindering and your opponent won't let you metagame or bs your way out of it saying you can withstand the pain. The more injury you inflict on yourself like a masochist, the more your opponent gains the upper hand, it's only a matter of exploiting that the afflicted areas.
2-5 are incorrect. These techniques cannot be used to release genjutsu. I forget the reasoning that was given behind it but it was deemed so and I'll likely find out and tell you later but one and six are acceptable methods of release. Other than why the others aren't, do you have any questions thus far?
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Hmm, alright so we covered breaking through all the methods; the restrictions for the amount of pain can be seen in the illusionary abilities in the bio section so I won't bother with that. Now then, lets move onto casting.
Now we know of the generally used method of casting genjutsu. Through hand seals or some other medium of chakra gathering the user sends their chakra into the system of their opponent and causes a disruption which creates the illusions effects. This is the most basic way of casting an illusion; however there are countless other ways for a shinobi to cast an illusion. I want you to rattle off some of the other ways one might cast an illusion. Think about the different types of mediums people may use to inject their chakra into others.
Hmm, alright so we covered breaking through all the methods; the restrictions for the amount of pain can be seen in the illusionary abilities in the bio section so I won't bother with that. Now then, lets move onto casting.
Now we know of the generally used method of casting genjutsu. Through hand seals or some other medium of chakra gathering the user sends their chakra into the system of their opponent and causes a disruption which creates the illusions effects. This is the most basic way of casting an illusion; however there are countless other ways for a shinobi to cast an illusion. I want you to rattle off some of the other ways one might cast an illusion. Think about the different types of mediums people may use to inject their chakra into others.
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Other than hand seals, hm? Well for starters, I know that Uchiha can inflict genjutsu on another via eye sight or a body part; more specifically the index finger. Another way that I know is casting a genjutsu through sound (e.g. Tayuya's flute). Another and fourth method of casting a genjutsu, is through light (e.g that technique the Cee used against Sasuke and Jugo).
Other than hand seals, hm? Well for starters, I know that Uchiha can inflict genjutsu on another via eye sight or a body part; more specifically the index finger. Another way that I know is casting a genjutsu through sound (e.g. Tayuya's flute). Another and fourth method of casting a genjutsu, is through light (e.g that technique the Cee used against Sasuke and Jugo).
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Cee's technique wasn't a genjutsu it was ninjutsu. I believe it may have been classified in the manga or somewhere as a genjutsu but if it was it was an ordinary illusion.
Now you're right when it comes to Ocular and Auditory genjutsu however there are many more ways. The five senses are the greatest nodes of genjutsu mediums. Gentai (Genjutsu + Taijutsu) is one modes of genjutsu casting through phsyical contact. However you can transfer genjutsu through physical touch that doesn't necessarily classify itself as gentai. There is also the olfactory or smell mediums; using strong scents to induce genjutsu. Idc if you're familiar with Liliana's Perfume Release or not. It is a prime example of genjutsu through medium of the nose.
Since Perfume Release isn't canon and only pertains to Liliana and her students, I'll just give you a quick run through. It is a CE that she created that utilizes scents of perfumes to give off certian affects when it comes into contact with one's opponent. It is a ninjutsu CE however she has genjutsu imbeded within it that can be used to confuse or do whatever. It's not all based in smell, however that is one way it is used.
You're able to make your own variations so long as thy don't clash with hers or anybody else's for that matter. However any way in which you are able to transfer your chakra into your opponent is a means in which you can cast an illusion over them just remember that.
Cee's technique wasn't a genjutsu it was ninjutsu. I believe it may have been classified in the manga or somewhere as a genjutsu but if it was it was an ordinary illusion.
Now you're right when it comes to Ocular and Auditory genjutsu however there are many more ways. The five senses are the greatest nodes of genjutsu mediums. Gentai (Genjutsu + Taijutsu) is one modes of genjutsu casting through phsyical contact. However you can transfer genjutsu through physical touch that doesn't necessarily classify itself as gentai. There is also the olfactory or smell mediums; using strong scents to induce genjutsu. Idc if you're familiar with Liliana's Perfume Release or not. It is a prime example of genjutsu through medium of the nose.
Since Perfume Release isn't canon and only pertains to Liliana and her students, I'll just give you a quick run through. It is a CE that she created that utilizes scents of perfumes to give off certian affects when it comes into contact with one's opponent. It is a ninjutsu CE however she has genjutsu imbeded within it that can be used to confuse or do whatever. It's not all based in smell, however that is one way it is used.
You're able to make your own variations so long as thy don't clash with hers or anybody else's for that matter. However any way in which you are able to transfer your chakra into your opponent is a means in which you can cast an illusion over them just remember that.
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Alright then. As you may or may not know, sound base genjutsu (which will not be covered beyond this technique wise) are technqiues that manipulate sound waves and induce genjutsu by a shinobi channeling their chakra into said sound waves and capturing the shinobi in that way. Now then, this comes with a melody of advantages that, if you're lucky enough to get permission to study sound release, you could possibly dive into. There's especially one advantage that involves Uchihas. Care to take a gander at what those advantages are?
Alright then. As you may or may not know, sound base genjutsu (which will not be covered beyond this technique wise) are technqiues that manipulate sound waves and induce genjutsu by a shinobi channeling their chakra into said sound waves and capturing the shinobi in that way. Now then, this comes with a melody of advantages that, if you're lucky enough to get permission to study sound release, you could possibly dive into. There's especially one advantage that involves Uchihas. Care to take a gander at what those advantages are?
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Pretty much how Tayuya's flute works, got it. Um... Well, one thing that I know is that sound based genjutsu can penetrate through Susano'o and induce the user almost immediately. Sound Genjutsu is pretty hard to avoid, and based on the manga, Itachi and Sasuke needed to use genjutsu on each other to break out of it.
Pretty much how Tayuya's flute works, got it. Um... Well, one thing that I know is that sound based genjutsu can penetrate through Susano'o and induce the user almost immediately. Sound Genjutsu is pretty hard to avoid, and based on the manga, Itachi and Sasuke needed to use genjutsu on each other to break out of it.
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There's another reason. Think based in our RP for a moment. Uchihas are capable of seeing through visual genjutsu of certain ranks based on their level of ocular powers. Now, how might a sound release genjutsu that affects auditory senses be adventurous to use against the eyes of an uchiha?
I've pretty much told you what it is, if you can't get it by now I may just lose hope in you and kill your miserable excuse for a shinobi.
There's another reason. Think based in our RP for a moment. Uchihas are capable of seeing through visual genjutsu of certain ranks based on their level of ocular powers. Now, how might a sound release genjutsu that affects auditory senses be adventurous to use against the eyes of an uchiha?
I've pretty much told you what it is, if you can't get it by now I may just lose hope in you and kill your miserable excuse for a shinobi.
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Correct. Now there are some sound illusions that create visual images, but their mediums are sound waves and as long as those sound waves are affecting a different medium, an Uchiha cannot see through them. Get it?
Correct. Now there are some sound illusions that create visual images, but their mediums are sound waves and as long as those sound waves are affecting a different medium, an Uchiha cannot see through them. Get it?
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Wow, you were quick to quote that weren't you...
anyway onto layering. Do you know anything about layering genjutsu at this point in time? If so tell me what you know or think you know.
Wow, you were quick to quote that weren't you...
anyway onto layering. Do you know anything about layering genjutsu at this point in time? If so tell me what you know or think you know.