[VS] Law vs Sabo

[Punk Hazard]

But couldn't he put Haki on the sword and then slash thus attacking everyone in the room with a Haki slash rather then one of his surgical ones ?

HOW?

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[Oblivionx]

Without intel i think law can win this. His DF is haxed and i don't see how anything is a defense against his DF since he hasn't failed to cut anything in his room yet or am missing something. And as noted when fighting smoker, you can't just recreate what law takes with DFs like logia.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Without intel i think law can win this. His DF is haxed and i don't see how anything is a defense against his DF since he hasn't failed to cut anything in his room yet or am missing something. And as noted when fighting smoker, you can't just recreate what law takes with DFs like logia.

This only applies to something like removing an organ with Mes. Unless he can snag Sabo's heart, that doesn't do him much good.

 

[Oblivionx]

This only applies to something like removing an organ with Mes. Unless he can snag Sabo's heart, that doesn't do him much good.

well without intel, there is a chance he might.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I just rewatched the Smoker/Law fight, no attack affected Smoker. So Law's Room either bypasses haki defenses as shown when he was able to cut Vergo or Law used haki in accordance with his DF to cut Vergo. If it's the former than haki as a defense against Law is pointless.

Also, Riker, you're looking at the whole haki thing too narrowly any way, let's rule out coating his sword in haki before swinging would give him any advantage, you're talking as if he couldn't shambles himself in range to touch Sabo with his sword where a haki slash would have effect. And what if he used haki on his other Room attacks? Injection shot with no haki shouldn't taouch a Logia but using haki should allow Injection shot to work, or how about Counter Shock? He could use attacks like Counter Shock, Injection Shot or Mes.

Everyone acting like Law wouldn't be able to touch Sabo needs to re-evaluate.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I may be blanking here but have we even seen Law fight a Logia yet? How do we know exactly how Rooms cuts affect Logia bodies? We know the people don't die but they don't revert right back either. We're just assuming the Logia defense would allow the user to revert his body from what Law's Room does to it but as Croc has shown we don't know how 2 DF's will affect each other isn't that right? For all we know Law's DF may supersede the Logia defense with or without haki? Maybe nothing happens? We don't know(Or I don't at least, I may have missed/forgot something, it does happen)

Also, Riker, you're looking at the whole haki thing too narrowly any way, let's rule out coating his sword in haki before swinging would give him any advantage, you're talking as if he couldn't shambles himself in range to touch Sabo with his sword where a haki slash would have effect. And what if he used haki on his other Room attacks? Injection shot with no haki shouldn't taouch a Logia but using haki should allow Injection shot to work, or how about Counter Shock? He could use attacks like Counter Shock, Injection Shot or Mes.

Everyone acting like Law wouldn't be able to touch Sabo needs to re-evaluate.

This if law was able to touch doflamingo he should be able to touch sabo as well

 

[ToshiZO]

Nah Law is not touching Sabo. He needs to use mes type tactics and the flame fruit generates too much firepower to approach the same way as Smoker. For example, Law tries approaching Sabo then

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happens GL with that.

Although that says more about Ace then Sabo, (Ace would beat Law for these reasons), Sabo might engage in CQC since he's new to his fruit.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Either way it's an extreme high difficulty win.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I just rewatched the Smoker/Law fight, no attack affected Smoker. So Law's Room either bypasses haki defenses as shown when he was able to cut Vergo or Law used haki in accordance with his DF to cut Vergo.

Are you ****ing serious? So you're telling me Law chose not to use Haki on Smoker for...why exactly?

If it's the former than haki as a defense against Law is pointless.

Or OR, stay with me now...the Haki defense works only if Law's power is weaker than your Haki.

Also, Riker, you're looking at the whole haki thing too narrowly any way

Ah yes, saying that Haki can't be infused into something that doesn't exist is "too narrow." I suppose now we can accept that Haki can be infused into dreams, memories, and unicorn tears.

let's rule out coating his sword in haki before swinging would give him any advantage,

First off, why would it? The state of Law's sword has never had any effect on the way his fruit works. We've seen Law use Koka, and the effect was never on sword, so what indication is there that Law has ever used Haki on his sword? What indication is there that Law placing Haki on his sword has any effect on his slashes? What indication is there that Law's Haki can be placed into something that doesn't exist?

you're talking as if he couldn't shambles himself in range to touch Sabo with his sword where a haki slash would have effect.

Sabo clearly has the advantage in close quarter combat. If Law gets in close, Sabo would deal more damage to him than he would to Sabo. If Law and Sabo fight CQC only, Law loses badly.

And what if he used haki on his other Room attacks? Injection shot with no haki shouldn't taouch a Logia but using haki should allow Injection shot to work, or how about Counter Shock? He could use attacks like Counter Shock, Injection Shot or Mes.

First of all, when has Law ever used those attacks on a Logia? Secondly, Mes works on a Logia because Law infuses Haki into his hands, something that DOES exist and DOES make contact with the body of a Logia. Law places his Haki-coated hand on them, and that lets his fruit work. That kind of effect is IMPOSSIBLE on his ranged slashes.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Are you ****ing serious? So you're telling me Law chose not to use Haki on Smoker for...why exactly?

His sword never darkened to show sign of haki use and is you allow the possibility he used invisible haki than you also have to allow the possibility Ace did the same against BB and Smoker(smoke and fire shouldn't be off-setting elements so why did they stalemate?)

Or OR, stay with me now...the Haki defense works only if Law's power is weaker than your Haki.

Haki is supposed to give you an edge against DF powers and he cut someone using FBH(which the general consensus is, is an impressive high level haki feat) I like Law but you're saying his raw power was enough to by pass one of the better haki examples to date and would still have trouble pushing Sabo beyond mid diff.

Ah yes, saying that Haki can't be infused into something that doesn't exist is "too narrow." I suppose now we can accept that Haki can be infused into dreams, memories, and unicorn tears.

Ah yes, continued denial and dismissive-ness over evidence or counter points. The slashes do exist within Room.

First off, why would it?

Because by all definitions we've been given so far from the manga, haki would allow him to hit a Logia with his Room attacks.

The state of Law's sword has never had any effect on the way his fruit works.

Except Radio Knife? Plus we've never seen him use haki,definitively, while within Room so that statements unverifiable as of now. And again, Logia or not, Room or not, if Law coats his blade in haki and uses Injection Shot it should, by all groundwork presented, still affect the Logia idk why you think it wouldn't.

We've seen Law use Koka, and the effect was never on sword, so what indication is there that Law has ever used Haki on his sword? What indication is there that Law placing Haki on his sword has any effect on his slashes? What indication is there that Law's Haki can be placed into something that doesn't exist?

So because we've seen him do it before but not in a certain way, a way that's simple enough for someone that close in skill to Luffy, you think it impossible.

Sabo clearly has the advantage in close quarter combat. If Law gets in close, Sabo would deal more damage to him than he would to Sabo. If Law and Sabo fight CQC only, Law loses badly.

I never said he doesn't or wouldn't. You all kept saying Sabo's Logia would be a bad match and low- to low/mid diff like he couldn't touch him. He could shambles in haki swing(not Room slash regular sword swing with haki) shambles out. Sabo would have to be quick or have good Observation we don't know about. It wouldn't work much most likely but it would be effective.

First of all, when has Law ever used those attacks on a Logia?

When has he fought a Logia besides Smoker? You're gonna say he can't use his attacks on an opponent because he's Logia? Tell that to Oda who made him use Tact on Smoker, repeatedly.

Whenever people propose a point that goes around your argument you always try and say well he wouldn't do that or it wouldn't work that way. Prove it, prove he wouldn't/couldn't use those attacks on a Logia because he tried cutting Smoker, how's that different that Inj. Shot? He used Tact how's that different than using Counter Shock? Counter Shock even touches the opponent like Mes.

Secondly, Mes works on a Logia because Law infuses Haki into his hands, something that DOES exist and DOES make contact with the body of a Logia. Law places his Haki-coated hand on them, and that lets his fruit work. That kind of effect is IMPOSSIBLE on his ranged slashes.

Show us an example of his hand exhibiting haki during Mes. other than "how else would you explaion it, he's Logia" because Law didn't show signs of haki during Mes and haki was dark at that point in the manga so if we wanna go invis haki see 1st reply.

 

[Punk Hazard]

His sword never darkened to show sign of haki use and is you allow the possibility he used invisible haki than you also have to allow the possibility Ace did the same against BB and Smoker(smoke and fire shouldn't be off-setting elements so why did they stalemate?)

You literally said yourself that Law's Amputate ability had no effects on Smoker, yet you maintain that Law can use Haki with Amputate to affect Logias. The only way your argument adds up is if Law chose not to use Haki with his Amputate against Smoker.

Haki is supposed to give you an edge against DF powers and he cut someone using FBH(which the general consensus is, is an impressive high level haki feat) I like Law but you're saying his raw power was enough to by pass one of the better haki examples to date and would still have trouble pushing Sabo beyond mid diff.

I never said Law would have trouble pushing Sabo past mid diff. It'd definitely be a high diff fight. Secondly, yes? We've seen raw power bypass Haki when Luffy punched through Marigold's Busoshoku pre-skip. Haki isn't the only way to beat Haki.

Ah yes, continued denial and dismissive-ness over evidence or counter points. The slashes do exist within Room.

No...they don't. There are no slashes. Law swings his sword, and the target splits. There is no actual slash. Nothing is moving towards anything else. Law simply has control over your body in his Room, and uses the swings of his sword to manipulate the effect that splits your body apart.

Because by all definitions we've been given so far from the manga, haki would allow him to hit a Logia with his Room attacks.

Only with attacks that work via contact, such as Injection Shot or Mes. Amputate, no it wouldn't.

Except Radio Knife? Plus we've never seen him use haki,definitively, while within Room so that statements unverifiable as of now.

It's not unverifiable because Haki can't be put into something that doesn't exist, period.

And again, Logia or not, Room or not, if Law coats his blade in haki and uses Injection Shot it should, by all groundwork presented, still affect the Logia idk why you think it wouldn't.

Sure, that would. But not because he's infusing his Room powers with Haki, but because by touching the person with a Haki-coated blade, the attack would affect them as it would a normal person. It's like when Whitebeard hit Sakazuki with a Quake punch. The Haki wasn't infused into his Quake, it was infused into his fist, which upon contact allowed WB to interact with Sakazuki like he had no Logia powers. Keyword being "contact."

So because we've seen him do it before but not in a certain way, a way that's simple enough for someone that close in skill to Luffy, you think it impossible.

I'm asking you why in situations where Law needed it, he never did if he could?

I never said he doesn't or wouldn't. You all kept saying Sabo's Logia would be a bad match and low- to low/mid diff like he couldn't touch him.

First off, don't lump me in with those clowns who said Sabo would low-diff him.

He could shambles in haki swing(not Room slash regular sword swing with haki) shambles out. Sabo would have to be quick or have good Observation we don't know about. It wouldn't work much most likely but it would be effective

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This kind of tactic won't work often against a man who can surround himself with a propulsion of fire from his body constantly. Law does it once, and Sabo just releases explosions of fire from his body every time Law disappears from sight using Shambles.

When has he fought a Logia besides Smoker? You're gonna say he can't use his attacks on an opponent because he's Logia? Tell that to Oda who made him use Tact on Smoker, repeatedly.

Law never used Takt on Smoker. What are you talking about?

Whenever people propose a point that goes around your argument you always try and say well he wouldn't do that or it wouldn't work that way. Prove it, prove he wouldn't/couldn't use those attacks on a Logia because he tried cutting Smoker, how's that different that Inj. Shot? He used Tact how's that different than using Counter Shock? Counter Shock even touches the opponent like Mes.

Like I said above, attacks like Mes, Counter Shock and Injection Shot would work only because the tools they're done with(hands and sword) can make physical contact with the opponent first, not because Law is infusing Haki into the attacks themselves. Law's Amputate ability doesn't work like those attacks, and can't be infused with Haki like they can.

Show us an example of his hand exhibiting haki during Mes. other than "how else would you explaion it, he's Logia" because Law didn't show signs of haki during Mes and haki was dark at that point in the manga so if we wanna go invis haki see 1st reply.

The fact that his hand made physical contact with Smoker's body is proof that Haki was laced into it. ****ing yes it can be invisible Haki.

 

[-Akuma-]

Probably Sabo. I don't see Sabo being much above Luffy and Law, if at all, but the Logia advantage could do Law in badly. I don't think Radio Knife can be used at long ranges, so Law will have to get in close to Sabo to do any real damage to his Logia form, and Sabo has the major advantage there.

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You say Luffy and Law like they're even close in strength. Law can't even force Doffy to be serious let alone actually be on par with Luffy or Sabo.

 

[Punk Hazard]

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You say Luffy and Law like they're even close in strength. Law can't even force Doffy to be serious let alone actually be on par with Luffy or Sabo.

Capabilities-wise, they're the same. Luffy accomplishes what he does through raw power, Law does it through hax, technical powers. 100% Doflamingo vs Law or Luffy on his own would be the same level of diff for him.

 

[LBeezy]

Capabilities-wise, they're the same. Luffy accomplishes what he does through raw power, Law does it through hax, technical powers. 100% Doflamingo vs Law or Luffy on his own would be the same level of diff for him.

@bold not quite.

At this point in the manga it's safe to say Luffy > Law.

 

[Punk Hazard]

@bold not quite.

At this point in the manga it's safe to say Luffy > Law.

I don't see how Luffy is capable of achieving some result Law isn't capable of achieving, so nah.

 

[LBeezy]

I don't see how Luffy is capable of achieving some result Law isn't capable of achieving, so nah.

Luffy put Doflamingo to sleep.

Law did not.

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[Skull Knight]

Can't say since they both will have no intel about each other.
Can't Law remove Sabo's heart like he did with smoker?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy put Doflamingo to sleep.

Law did not.

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I'ma wait for you to muster up a response you know isn't stupid.

 

[LBeezy]

I'ma wait for you to muster up a response you know isn't stupid.

This is what you say when someone gives you facts?

 

[Punk Hazard]

This is what you say when someone gives you facts?

You know exactly where you fell short and you know I'm not so stupid that I didn't notice. Either you give a reply you know isn't stupid, or save face and drop it.