[VS] Law vs Kuma

[ssjelf]

So you're saying TB-Zoro could dodge an attack from a full-powered Kizaru while exhausted? You're also saying that tired Zoro is faster than full-energy Gear 2 Luffy?

No... he isnt.

 

[Punk Hazard]

No... he isnt.

He has to be, considering he's saying that Kuma's air cannons are truly light speed. Which would mean that Zoro dodging them makes tired Zoro faster than energized Gear 2 Luffy, as energized Gear 2 Luffy was blitzed by Kizaru's light speed. And there's only one speed of light.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

So you're saying TB-Zoro could dodge an attack from a full-powered Kizaru while exhausted? You're also saying that tired Zoro is faster than full-energy Gear 2 Luffy?

I never said any of that. You're assuming again.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I never said any of that. You're assuming again.

Yes you are. You're saying Kuma is light-speed. Zoro dodged Kuma's light-speed attacks. Luffy couldn't dodge Kizaru's light-speed attack. That means Zoro has to be faster than Luffy.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Yes you are. You're saying Kuma is light-speed. Zoro dodged Kuma's light-speed attacks. Luffy couldn't dodge Kizaru's light-speed attack. That means Zoro has to be faster than Luffy.

No I didn't. Quote if I did.
And the one I highlighted in bold, I never said that either. Go back to the first page and read what I said carefully.
Kizaru also never recalled luffy getting shot with a laser. Even if he did during the war, he was already down when it happened.

 

[ssjelf]

He has to be, considering he's saying that Kuma's air cannons are truly light speed. Which would mean that Zoro dodging them makes tired Zoro faster than energized Gear 2 Luffy, as energized Gear 2 Luffy was blitzed by Kizaru's light speed. And there's only one speed of light.

Let's put it this way, if a gun shoots a bullet at light speed, I can dodge it if I know when and where it will be fired. This is true for kuma as his hands do not move at light speed one can predict where they need to be before the shot is fired.

For kizaru it isn't true because his entire body moves at light speed and can adjust for any movements you make before he moves, see kizaru vs apoo.

Also as far as the speed of light is concerned in the real world, the faster you go the faster light goes as well so technically speaking one would never be able to dodge it no matter how fast they went.

 

[Punk Hazard]

No I didn't. Quote if I did.

Quote where you said Kuma is light speed?

And his lightspeed is also something to consider too.

And the one I highlighted in bold, I never said that either. Go back to the first page and read what I said carefully.

I never said you said it. It's what happened in the manga.

Kizaru also never recalled luffy getting shot with a laser. Even if he did during the war, he was already down when it happened.

What?

Anyways, it doesn't matter if YOU said it. You stated that Kuma is light speed. Zoro dodged the light speed attack. Luffy couldn't dodge Kizaru's light speed kick. It's simple math.

Let's put it this way, if a gun shoots a bullet at light speed, I can dodge it if I know when and where it will be fired. This is true for kuma as his hands do not move at light speed one can predict where they need to be before the shot is fired.

For kizaru it isn't true because his entire body moves at light speed and can adjust for any movements you make before he moves, see kizaru vs apoo.

Also as far as the speed of light is concerned in the real world, the faster you go the faster light goes as well so technically speaking one would never be able to dodge it no matter how fast they went.

Doesn't work that way. Zoro was charging straight towards Kuma, and then Kuma fired the blast linearly. Even if Kuma's hand isn't moving at the speed of light, the projectile is. We saw Zoro look at the blast as it's coming towards him and then dodge. There was no swerving or anything, two things charging at each other. If Zoro dodged a projectile moving at light speed after it was fired, then he had to have been moving faster than the speed of light.

 

[ssjelf]

Quote where you said Kuma is light speed?



I never said you said it. It's what happened in the manga.

What?

Anyways, it doesn't matter if YOU said it. You stated that Kuma is light speed. Zoro dodged the light speed attack. Luffy couldn't dodge Kizaru's light speed kick. It's simple math.




Doesn't work that way. Zoro was charging straight towards Kuma, and then Kuma fired the blast linearly. Even if Kuma's hand isn't moving at the speed of light, the projectile is. We saw Zoro look at the blast as it's coming towards him and then dodge. There was no swerving or anything, two things charging at each other. If Zoro dodged a projectile moving at light speed after it was fired, then he had to have been moving faster than the speed of light.

I don't think it looks like he dodged the one where he looked and saw that bubble. The straight line dashing can still incorporate side to side movement.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Even tho he doesn't have. The feats I still think kuma (with a brain) is still stronger then law luffy or any of the worst generation .... (Bar Blackbeard)

I still think he's in top three warlords his abilities r haxed.... And even tho he hasn't shown haki (neither has mihawk) he should have it if Bellamy and tashigi has it ... (With a brain as a robot he wouldn't have a will so he shouldn't have t as a robot..) he should be around doffy level with a brain and would need law + luffy or someone of luffy caliber (gear 4th) to defeat him

 

[Punk Hazard]

I don't think it looks like he dodged the one where he looked and saw that bubble. The straight line dashing can still incorporate side to side movement.

That's true, but he wasn't zig-zagging. Neither was the projectile. The only way Zoro could have dodged it would be to have been faster than it.

 

[ssjelf]

That's true, but he wasn't zig-zagging. Neither was the projectile. The only way Zoro could have dodged it would be to have been faster than it.

Upon rereading it it looks like he definitely predicted where the paw cannon was going to land, when he used toro nagashi kuma moved his hands and nothing came out then it cut to zoro then kuma then zoro was postponed between them telling me that he positioned himself so that they missed him before they fired. The anime is the only thing to show him dodging as they were shot.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Upon rereading it it looks like he definitely predicted where the paw cannon was going to land, when he used toro nagashi kuma moved his hands and nothing came out then it cut to zoro then kuma then zoro was postponed between them telling me that he positioned himself so that they missed him before they fired. The anime is the only thing to show him dodging as they were shot.

The manga literally shows him dodging by pushing his neck backwards, the hell are you talking about?

 

[ssjelf]

The manga literally shows him dodging by pushing his neck backwards, the hell are you talking about?

Another scan... That much was obvious. I already addressed this scan. He got hit by it he's holding his head.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Another scan... That much was obvious. I already addressed this scan. He got hit by it he's holding his head.

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Scan shows Zoro standing still, looking at a barrage of paw projectiles coming towards him, then twisting his body to avoid them. Meaning he'd have to be faster than light if they were traveling at the speed of light, as the scan clearly shows the projectiles moving through he air before Zoro's body was positioned in midair to avoid them.

 

[ssjelf]

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Scan shows Zoro standing still, looking at a barrage of paw projectiles coming towards him, then twisting his body to avoid them. Meaning he'd have to be faster than light if they were traveling at the speed of light, as the scan clearly shows the projectiles moving through he air before Zoro's body was positioned in midair to avoid them.

It showed the projectiles after zoro...

 

[Punk Hazard]

It showed the projectiles after zoro...

Your point being? The projectiles were flying through the air while Zoro was , and then Zoro positioned himself to dodge them. He'd have to be faster than light to do so.

 

[ssjelf]

Your point being? The projectiles were flying through the air while Zoro was , and then Zoro positioned himself to dodge them. He'd have to be faster than light to do so.

Thats not what happened

 

[Punk Hazard]

Thats not what happened

Says you.

[video=youtube;FUIkGNBjnv8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUIkGNBjnv8[/video]

Anime rendition supports what I said. Being an animation of a canon scene, it's canon as well. Idk why you're fighting this so hard like Kuma's statement couldn't possibly be hyperbole. You really think Zoro then was fast enough to dodge a projectile moving at the speed of light? C'mon.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Quote where you said Kuma is light speed?



I never said you said it. It's what happened in the manga.

What?

Anyways, it doesn't matter if YOU said it. You stated that Kuma is light speed. Zoro dodged the light speed attack. Luffy couldn't dodge Kizaru's light speed kick. It's simple math.




Doesn't work that way. Zoro was charging straight towards Kuma, and then Kuma fired the blast linearly. Even if Kuma's hand isn't moving at the speed of light, the projectile is. We saw Zoro look at the blast as it's coming towards him and then dodge. There was no swerving or anything, two things charging at each other. If Zoro dodged a projectile moving at light speed after it was fired, then he had to have been moving faster than the speed of light.

Quote me where I said that Zoro was fatser than luffy, because I never posted anything like that. Kuma is still light speed.
And ssjelf already pointed out that Zoro did not dodge that one coming attack, especially when Zoro took damage from it.
There is no math, you're equation is completely wrong. You don't compare a laser moving at lightspeed to a bodily movement such as a kick. Kizaru kicking somebody is not a lightspeed attack, it's the laser that travels from his body.

 

[KingHashirama]

I'm assuming Kuma was around Jack's level if not stronger. But he has no battle moments, that allow us to judge his strength. Everything hes shown so far is inferior to the supernova showcasing post timeskip.