[VS] Law vs Kuma

[Bogard]

One of the "hax" fights i always used dreamed to see how it would play off. I personally think Kuma's devil fruit hax is even greater than Law's, but that Law is stronger. I wonder though what the general opinion is on this matter.

Location: Dressrosa

 

[Punk Hazard]

I feel like Kuma can repel the Room if he reaches the perimeter. But I also feel like Law can get to him first.

 

[Insidious Smile]

I think Kuma would win because he would repel most of Law's attacks.

 

[Bimbonium]

This match-up is all about haxx, I feel law wins since he can place Kuma right in front of him, and can evade kuma's attacks by subst himself or Kuma with objects

 

[Punk Hazard]

Imagine Law swaps himself with Kuma right as he sends an air cannon.

 

[The Great Second Hokage]

Kuma all the way

 

[loj]

I'm going with Law since he has more control over the situations.

 

[Magi]

Going with Kuma here. Not only does it look like he teleports, he only needs one touch and it's over

 

[Punk Hazard]

Going with Kuma here. Not only does it look like he teleports, he only needs one touch and it's over

It looks like Kuma teleports. Law actually teleports. Unless Kuma can repel the Room, which Law can prevent by just constantly teleporting him back to the middle and making a super large Room, Kuma doesn't have that good a chance of winning. Especially when pre-skip Zoro could dodge his attacks.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Kuma definitely takes the win here. If he's repelling non tangible things like pain and fatigue into its own independent form, that's some next level shit right there. He'll do some crazy stuff like repel the oxygen from Law's centre or repel his room into the ocean or something. And his lightspeed is also something to consider too.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Kuma definitely takes the win here. If he's repelling non tangible things like pain and fatigue into its own independent form, that's some next level shit right there. He'll do some crazy stuff like repel the oxygen from Law's centre or repel his room into the ocean or something. And his lightspeed is also something to consider too.

Kuma doesn't move at the speed of light. This should be painfully obvious by the fact that Kizaru, moving at actual light speed, blitzed a Hormone-juiced-up Luffy, while a weakened and exhausted Zoro could dodge Kuma's "light speed" air cannons.

 

[ToshiZO]

Going with Law. Law is more hax and I doubt Kuma is better in the Haki department.

Also pure movement speed Law is faster. Kuma repels himself at a very fast rate, Law actually teleports.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Kuma doesn't move at the speed of light. This should be painfully obvious by the fact that Kizaru, moving at actual light speed, blitzed a Hormone-juiced-up Luffy, while a weakened and exhausted Zoro could dodge Kuma's "light speed" air cannons.

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I pick the words written directly from Oda than your theory, so there's no need on informing me your opinions on reactions and how fast speed of light travels. This is a manga, we can't apply your logic.

 

[Punk Hazard]

from kishi

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I pick the words written directly from kishi than your theory, so there's no need on informing me your opinions on reactions and how fast speed of light travels. This is a manga, don't try to apply your logic.

You know what other words came directly from Oda? Enel saying his will alone created the entirety of the One Piece universe. Enel saying he was a literal God. Buggy saying he's gonna be Pirate King. Bellamy saying Sky Island doesn't exist and that dreams are worthless. Rob Lucci saying that the Strawhats would never make it out of Enies Lobby. Shall I continue?

Luffy couldn't react to Kizaru's light speed, but Zoro could react to and dodge Kuma's air cannons, while Zoro was weaker than Luffy and exhausted. These are not opinions, these are facts. Kuma cannot be light speed. "Don't apply logic to the manga." Don't be an idiot. The manga might not follow real-life logic to a T, but it has it's own established logic and facts that are followed. If that's too much thinking for you, if you take every word literally and factually instead of being able to determine what's hyperbole, what's fact, and what's empty words, then you shouldn't be posting here.

 

[ToshiZO]

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I pick the words written directly from kishi than your theory, so there's no need on informing me your opinions on reactions and how fast speed of light travels. This is a manga, don't try to apply your logic.

Too bad Kishi didn't write this manga.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

You know what other words came directly from Oda? Enel saying his will alone created the entirety of the One Piece universe. Enel saying he was a literal God. Buggy saying he's gonna be Pirate King. Bellamy saying Sky Island doesn't exist and that dreams are worthless. Rob Lucci saying that the Strawhats would never make it out of Enies Lobby. Shall I continue?

This doesn't mean anything. Absolutely useless.
You're giving examples of characters stating their opinions about themselves and the environment around them.
Because of you're going to start questioning these trivial things now, you should also question if luffy is ever going to fight kaidou or not.

Luffy couldn't react to Kizaru's light speed, but Zoro could react to and dodge Kuma's? While being exhausted and weaker than Luffy? "Don't apply logic to the manga." Don't be an idiot.

There are people shooting lasers and a flying rubber man. What logic are you trying to prove here?
An idiot is somebody who shoves their worthless opinions in front of people's faces.
Zoro could've evaded before the air palm release for all we know.
So just sit back and wait for Oda to explain.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Too bad Kishi didn't write this manga.

Oda should give you a cookie.

 

[Punk Hazard]

This doesn't mean anything. Absolutely useless.
You're giving examples of characters stating their opinions about themselves and the environment around them.

That's exactly what Kuma did. I thought characters saying things were facts from Oda. Now they aren't? What happened to "I'm gonna go with what Oda said" and then showing a character saying something? Wait. Are you saying-? Are you tell- *Gasp* Nooo you mean a character saying something doesn't automatically make it fact?

Because of you're going to start questioning these trivial things now, you should also question if luffy is ever going to fight kaidou or not.

This makes no sense as a response to what I just said

There are people shooting lasers and a flying rubber man. What logic are you trying to prove here?

Kizaru moves at light speed and couldn't be avoided by Luffy.
Luffy is stronger than Zoro.
Zoro dodged Kuma's attacks.

If someone stronger than Zoro couldn't counter light-speed attacks, and Zoro dodged Kuma's attacks, what does that tell you? Take your time, you can use a calculator and scratch paper if you need to.

An idiot is somebody who shoves their worthless opinions in front of people's faces.

I used that word correctly then.

Zoro could've evaded before the air palm release for all we know.

Clearly dodges it after it was fired.

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So just sit back and wait for Oda to explain.

Explain what?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

That's exactly what Kuma did. I thought characters saying things were facts from Oda. Now they aren't? What happened to "I'm gonna go with what Oda said" and then showing a character saying something? Wait. Are you saying-? Are you tell- *Gasp* Nooo you mean a character saying something doesn't automatically make it fact?


This makes no sense as a response to what I just said


Kizaru moves at light speed and couldn't be avoided by Luffy.
Luffy is stronger than Zoro.
Zoro dodged Kuma's attacks.

If someone stronger than Zoro couldn't counter light-speed attacks, and Zoro dodged Kuma's attacks, what does that tell you? Take your time, you can use a calculator and scratch paper if you need to.


I used that word correctly then.

Clearly dodges it after it was fired.

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Explain what?

This is all I read from your retort:

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1. You're saying that kuma stated an opinion about his power.
2. You're saying that some one stronger=Being faster
3. You're saying that Zoro dodge during the air Palm shot despite not getting a full view of Kuma going through the motion.
4. You're also implying that Zoro wasn't hit by that attack despite holding his head (where the air pad was aimed at).

What did I say earlier about opinions?

 

[Punk Hazard]

This is all I read from your retort:

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Subjections

1. You're saying that kuma stated an opinion about his power.
2. You're saying that some one stronger=Being faster
3. You're saying that Zoro dodge during the air Palm shot despite not getting a full view of Kuma going through the motion.
4. You're also implying that Zoro wasn't hit by that attack despite holding his head (where the air pad was aimed at).

What did I say earlier about opinions?

So you're saying TB-Zoro could dodge an attack from a full-powered Kizaru while exhausted? You're also saying that tired Zoro is faster than full-energy Gear 2 Luffy?