[VS] Law & Vergo vs Dolfamingo

[-Akuma-]

Lordy the stench of Doffy's semen is strong in this thread must be from all the wanking. Doffy wins though.

 

[ToshiZO]

You're correct in saying that Trebol and Bellamy are there. However, you also have to remember that Doflamingo wasn't using his Awakened abilities until after Gamma Knife hit. Doflamingo's Awakened attacks were strong enough to keep Gear 4 Luffy at bay for like, 20 minutes during their almost hour-long fight, even injuring him at one point. It's very safe to say it packs more power than Trebol and Bellamy, so it can easily be filled in for them in this scenario.

The most likely scenario is that Doflamingo can simply create a Shadow Joker. Have the Shadow Joker rush at Law, keeping him at bay long enough(it was able to stall Luffy and Law) for Doflamingo to use Awakened strings to finish off Vergo. Considering Law was able to one-shot Vergo, I'm sure Doflamingo can too with Awakened strings. Then, Doflamingo can have his way with Law.

Lots of scenarios can be played out here, too hard to tell.

Refer to my first post.

Law and Vergo should be able to win if they play their cards right.

With Law as a teammate, they can win. Doflamingo can win if they don't execute correctly. Law can end it with a decisive blow if done right.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lots of scenarios can be played out here, too hard to tell.

Refer to my first post.



With Law as a teammate, they can win. Doflamingo can win if they don't execute correctly. Law can end it with a decisive blow if done right.

Anyone in any VS match CAN win. The point of VS matches is who has a better chance of winning.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

And apparently, that's more effective than Doflamingo's power. Which makes a ton of sense I guess.

Doffy was only holding back his awakening attack. You're underestimating the amount of damage that Bellamy did to Luffy. Luffy was implied to have taken almost as much damage as Doffy took from GK.

 

[Bogard]

Doflamingo's awakening wasn't even that powerful. Half dead Luffy tanked all the awakened attack with little to moderate damage at best. He was dealing more damage with his regular string attacks. The only point where awakening seemed to advantage him was in the environmental range control. His ultimate attack was birdcage which wasn't an awakened attack

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doflamingo's awakening wasn't even that powerful. Half dead Luffy tanked all the awakened attack with little to moderate damage at best. He was dealing more damage with his regular string attacks. The only point where awakening seemed to advantage him was in the environmental range control

It kept him at a distance for 20 minutes, so it's definitely not as weak as you're making it out to be.

 

[Bogard]

It kept him at a distance for 20 minutes, so it's definitely not as weak as you're making it out to be.

So the best thing his awakening can do is push opponents away?

 

[Punk Hazard]

So the best thing his awakening can do is push opponents away?

As long as it ends with his opponent dead, who gives a shit?

 

[LBeezy]

And apparently, that's more effective than Doflamingo's power. Which makes a ton of sense I guess.

It's not about Bellamy being able to do more damage than Doflamingo in that amount of time..

It's about Luffy not fighting back in that amount of time..

 

[Punk Hazard]

It's not about Bellamy being able to do more damage than Doflamingo in that amount of time..

It's about Luffy not fighting back in that amount of time..

And when he did fight back, he downed Bellamy in one solid blow. Meanwhile Awakened strings pushed back a Gear 4 Luffy and it took him 20 minutes to break through and get to Doflamingo. So I don't see how Bellamy is more effective.

 

[LBeezy]

And when he did fight back, he downed Bellamy in one solid blow. Meanwhile Awakened strings pushed back a Gear 4 Luffy and it took him 20 minutes to break through and get to Doflamingo. So I don't see how Bellamy is more effective.

You're right. Everything you said is facts.. but idk why you're choosing to not understand the other facts...

Bellamy is NOT more effective in dealing damage. You're correct.

It's just that in the amount of time Luffy and Bellamy were down there, Luffy did not fight back while Bellamy attacked him until the end like you said..

In that time period, take away Bellamy and just put Luffy vs Doflamingo, Luffy will not just stand there and let Doffy attack him (like he did with Bellamy).. Luffy will attack back right away.. possibly even attack first.

The point is not about what the opponents can do or can't do.. it's simply about what Luffy didn't do, and would do.. based on who his opponent is.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You're right. Everything you said is facts.. but idk why you're choosing to not understand the other facts...

Bellamy is NOT more effective in dealing damage. You're correct.

It's just that in the amount of time Luffy and Bellamy were down there, Luffy did not fight back while Bellamy attacked him until the end like you said..

In that time period, take away Bellamy and just put Luffy vs Doflamingo, Luffy will not just stand there and let Doffy attack him (like he did with Bellamy).. Luffy will attack back right away.. possibly even attack first.

The point is not about what the opponents can do or can't do.. it's simply about what Luffy didn't do, and would do.. based on who his opponent is.

I understand all that. It doesn't really matter though, because we saw that what Luffy would do is try and fight back, and when doing that, it held him off long enough for Gear 4 to run out and leave him for dead.

 

[LBeezy]

I understand all that. It doesn't really matter though, because we saw that what Luffy would do is try and fight back, and when doing that, it held him off long enough for Gear 4 to run out and leave him for dead.

Oh okay, I see what you mean.. yeah that is true.. but what I'm saying would be critical in the entire outcome of the battle, is if Bellamy wasn't ever there at all.. and if Trebol was also never there to begin with, I think Luffy and Law would've won sooner and easier..

OT: I think Doffy wins this one.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Oh okay, I see what you mean.. yeah that is true.. but what I'm saying would be critical in the entire outcome of the battle, is if Bellamy wasn't ever there at all.. and if Trebol was also never there to begin with, I think Luffy and Law would've won sooner and easier..

OT: I think Doffy wins this one.

And that's why I mentioned that Doflamingo didn't use Awakening during the time Trebol and Bellamy were impactful to the fight. Take out Trebol and Bellamy, and doesn't that provide incentive for Doflamingo to not hold back Awakening? And if the effectiveness of Bellamy and Trebol stopped Law and Luffy from winning, wouldn't Awakening, which should be even more effective than them, accomplish the same thing?

The argument you're giving me seems to operate under the premise that the only thing that would be changed from Trebol's and Bellamy's removal is their presence, and that the way Doflamingo fights wouldn't change in tandem with that.

 

[ToshiZO]

Anyone in any VS match CAN win. The point of VS matches is who has a better chance of winning.

Law and Vergo's chances are higher if they execute, simple as that.

Doflamingo's awakening wasn't even that powerful. Half dead Luffy tanked all the awakened attack with little to moderate damage at best. He was dealing more damage with his regular string attacks. The only point where awakening seemed to advantage him was in the environmental range control. His ultimate attack was birdcage which wasn't an awakened attack

His awakenings not that lethal, I think its just great defensively. Its good to ward off powerhouse opponents. Vergo will certainly have trouble with getting through it, but its definitely not putting him down without the higher end attacks being used constantly. Law is there so he should be able to protect Vergo from a lot of the onslaught, and catch Doflamingo by surprise.

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happened to Doflamingo when he let his concentration in front of Law waver, even in a 1v1 he has to be extremely wary of Law's room. You can see

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Doflamingo got anxious, especially in a 2v1 scenario he can mix it up and catch Doflamingo by surprise (which he actually did with Gamma Knife, and Red Hawk).

 

[Punk Hazard]

Law and Vergo's chances are higher if they execute, simple as that.

*Sigh* They don't have a higher chance of winning than Doflamingo does.

 

[ToshiZO]

*Sigh* They don't have a higher chance of winning than Doflamingo does.

Unfortunately Law is too dangerous of a teammate to have. You need to be fully concentrated on him to nullify his hax. With a fighter who is M3 level to fight alongside Law, too many opportunities for Law to catch Mingo offguard.

Neither side can slip up tbh, but Doflamingo even more so.

 

[LBeezy]

And that's why I mentioned that Doflamingo didn't use Awakening during the time Trebol and Bellamy were impactful to the fight. Take out Trebol and Bellamy, and doesn't that provide incentive for Doflamingo to not hold back Awakening? And if the effectiveness of Bellamy and Trebol stopped Law and Luffy from winning, wouldn't Awakening, which should be even more effective than them, accomplish the same thing?

The argument you're giving me seems to operate under the premise that the only thing that would be changed from Trebol's and Bellamy's removal is their presence, and that the way Doflamingo fights wouldn't change in tandem with that.

IF we take out Bellamy and Trebol completely from the equation.. and Doflamingo uses awakening earlier on.. Luffy would use his Gear 4th earlier on as well.. and the main argument there is that Luffy's Gear 4 would last longer in that scenario.. Therefore granting Law and Luffy the win.

Unfortunately Law is too dangerous of a teammate to have. You need to be fully concentrated on him to nullify his hax. With a fighter who is M3 level to fight alongside Law, too many opportunities for Law to catch Mingo offguard.

Neither side can slip up tbh, but Doflamingo even more so.

You don't think that Doflamingo would be able to get rid of Vergo extremely quickly? Making it a 1v1 taking away Law's "great teammate" gig

 

[Punk Hazard]

IF we take out Bellamy and Trebol completely from the equation.. and Doflamingo uses awakening earlier on.. Luffy would use his Gear 4th earlier on as well.. and the main argument there is that Luffy's Gear 4 would last longer in that scenario.. Therefore granting Law and Luffy the win.

Why would Luffy's Gear Fourth last longer? Even if it did, Doflamingo would also be in drastically better state of health because he'd more than likely be able to dispatch of Law before Gear 4th comes out.

 

[LBeezy]

Why would Luffy's Gear Fourth last longer?

My bad.. I may be wrong here.. I just thought that Gear 4th was mostly based on Haki and of course overall energy. If Luffy was in better shape and didn't let himself be attacked, I thought it made sense that he would be in a better state strength/energy/Haki wise.

Even if it did, Doflamingo would also be in drastically better state of health because he'd more than likely be able to dispatch of Law before Gear 4th comes out.

Wouldn't Doflamingo possibly be in worse shape.. considering he had no Trebol to f*ck with Law, and no Bellamy to stall Luffy? It would be Law and Luffy, together, giving Doflamingo their 100% full attention from the start..