[Spoilers] Law=Luffy

[Punk Hazard]

I'm serious, law simply does not push luffy for more than low diff, this is even debatable, luffy outclasses in speed,strength(as in attack effectiveness) durability and even haki

When it comes to speed, Luffy and Law are neck and neck. Law was able to skillfully intercept an Overheat, which traveled several KM in a single second, with his sword. Meanwhile,

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Don't even say Luffy was tired or injured by Bellamy; Law was injured from fighting Fujitora AND Doflamingo, and was using an ability that drains his stamina to do it. Any speed feat Luffy makes with Gear 4, Law can replicate with Shambles. Luffy crosses a vast distance by running or propelling himself, Law crosses it as well with Shambles.

As for Haki, Law has superior Haki.

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Luffy attributed his Haki being susceptible to sharp attacks at it being too weak, as he said he needed to continue training it. Since Haoshoku is Luffy's specialty, it makes sense Luffy would be falling behind in Busoshoku.

When it comes to physical strength, Luffy takes it.

he did stomp doffy

1- gamma knife would have never hit doffy if it weren't for luffy getting that close, shambles was a big part of why it even landed, you say that luffy wouldn't have reached that level without law, which I truly accept, but saying that gamma knife was equal to something that knocked down doffy few time in a row, something that completely left him hopeless until the awakening(which was not needed before the g4 btw) is far fetched, an attack cannot be equal to a mode, there's no place for comparison.

Except Gamma Knife did do the same damage. Of course Gamma Knife didn't knock down Doffy a few times, it was a one-hit move. The thing about Doffy being knocked down is that can easily be attributed to cumulative damage. How do you know if healthy Doffy was hit by G4, he wouldn't spring right back up? When Luffy finished his Gear 4 assault, Doffy was down for a few seconds, and then fixed himself using his strings. When Gamma Knife was landed, Doffy got back up after a few seconds and quick stitching. Equivalent damage. The fact that Doffy sprung back up due to using strings indicates Gear 4 did so much damage to him because it undid the stitching from earlier and enhanced the damage already done from Gamma Knife. After all, Doffy said his strings don't heal, and Gear 4 only does blunt damage, so what else would he be stitching together aside from his organs? That alone indicates that without Gamma Knife being hit prior, Gear 4 wouldn't have done the same damage.

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Doflamingo IS blocking this. Being unable to block would be if the attack was too fast and he couldn't get his arms up in time. Doffy blocked the punch itself, but was launched by the momentum.

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Except he wasn't. To be speed blitzed would be to be caught completely off guard. Doflamingo activated his Koka as a means to defend, meaning he reacted to Luffy appearing next to him.

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Doflamingo hasn't displayed any CoO feats.
If Luffy speed blitzed Doflamingo with R. Schneider, then Doffy speed blitzed Luffy in this panel by circling around his attack and then diving in without Luffy being able to notice his movement till he stopped, and being surprised by the speed of the kick.

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The thing about all of these attacks is that Doflamingo was caught off-guard due to not knowing what Gear 4 does. Notice when Luffy used his first attack, Doffy tried to block it and was surprised by the strength. The only reason he blocked was because he didn't know how strong it was. Afterwards, he tried to block again, but upped his game by using Haki. When that didn't work, Doffy upped his game again by dodging, but that didn't work because of Luffy's ability to maneuver his fist after punching. So, he upped his game again by maneuvering and then immediately going in for an attack so Luffy would be unable to maneuver his fist(Unless that happened after, can't quite remember).

After that ass beating session luffy was in no condition for fighting, but law will simply be out longer before this, notice how many hits doffy could get without being fatally injured,that kind of durability is what law had no answer for hence he went for internal organs , luffy bypassed that shit with g4

Not really. Law could take an assault from Fujitora and Doflamingo together and go on fighting for the rest of the day(minus the time spent in cuffs). Law has the durability needed to properly fight Luffy. Law has one of the most impressive pools of stamina, endurance and durability in the manga.

Another thing to note is that Doflamingo didn't spend the ENTIRE 51 minutes getting beat down. After Doflamingo activated Awakening, it became cat and mouse for 20 minutes with Luffy needing to do all he could do dodge Awakened attacks. The fact that he bothered to dodge them shows they could have indeed harmed him significantly, otherwise he'd just tank them.

Though tbh, doffy did dodge one causal punch, and he did block another one but it was also causal

They weren't casual punches. All of Luffy's punches can be the same strength because, at the end of the day, their strength depends on how much effort Luffy backs into the punch. Luffy can hit you with a Cavalry Cannon weaker than a Kong Gun now, and a Kong Gun weaker than a Cavalry Cannon in a few minutes.

2-doffy did manage manage to lessen the worst of the effects by pulling his damaged organs back together with his string ability if I remember correctly, effectively tanking it, meaning his organs were stable it's just that the pain didn't disappear, it was made clear that doffy stopped the injury and thus it cannot be said that it was thanks to gamma knife that luffy could do all that

Doflamingo said his sewing doesn't heal any of the injuries he got. All the stitching did was pulled the organs back together to restore function and stop internal bleeding. The actual pain, the actual tearing to the organs and surrounding tissue, the already done internal bleeding, are still there. Pain is a greatly inhibiting factor. It's a fact that the more pain you're in, the less your body can function properly. The performance we saw from Doflamingo vs Gear 4 is NOT the best Doflamingo can do.

 

[loj]

When it comes to speed, Luffy and Law are neck and neck. Law was able to skillfully intercept an Overheat, which traveled several KM in a single second, with his sword. Meanwhile,

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Don't even say Luffy was tired or injured by Bellamy; Law was injured from fighting Fujitora AND Doflamingo, and was using an ability that drains his stamina to do it. Any speed feat Luffy makes with Gear 4, Law can replicate with Shambles. Luffy crosses a vast distance by running or propelling himself, Law crosses it as well with Shambles.

As for Haki, Law has superior Haki.

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Luffy attributed his Haki being susceptible to sharp attacks at it being too weak, as he said he needed to continue training it. Since Haoshoku is Luffy's specialty, it makes sense Luffy would be falling behind in Busoshoku.

When it comes to physical strength, Luffy takes it.


Except Gamma Knife did do the same damage. Of course Gamma Knife didn't knock down Doffy a few times, it was a one-hit move. The thing about Doffy being knocked down is that can easily be attributed to cumulative damage. How do you know if healthy Doffy was hit by G4, he wouldn't spring right back up? When Luffy finished his Gear 4 assault, Doffy was down for a few seconds, and then fixed himself using his strings. When Gamma Knife was landed, Doffy got back up after a few seconds and quick stitching. Equivalent damage. The fact that Doffy sprung back up due to using strings indicates Gear 4 did so much damage to him because it undid the stitching from earlier and enhanced the damage already done from Gamma Knife. After all, Doffy said his strings don't heal, and Gear 4 only does blunt damage, so what else would he be stitching together aside from his organs? That alone indicates that without Gamma Knife being hit prior, Gear 4 wouldn't have done the same damage.


Doflamingo IS blocking this. Being unable to block would be if the attack was too fast and he couldn't get his arms up in time. Doffy blocked the punch itself, but was launched by the momentum.


Except he wasn't. To be speed blitzed would be to be caught completely off guard. Doflamingo activated his Koka as a means to defend, meaning he reacted to Luffy appearing next to him.

Doflamingo hasn't displayed any CoO feats.
If Luffy speed blitzed Doflamingo with R. Schneider, then Doffy speed blitzed Luffy in this panel by circling around his attack and then diving in without Luffy being able to notice his movement till he stopped, and being surprised by the speed of the kick.

The thing about all of these attacks is that Doflamingo was caught off-guard due to not knowing what Gear 4 does. Notice when Luffy used his first attack, Doffy tried to block it and was surprised by the strength. The only reason he blocked was because he didn't know how strong it was. Afterwards, he tried to block again, but upped his game by using Haki. When that didn't work, Doffy upped his game again by dodging, but that didn't work because of Luffy's ability to maneuver his fist after punching. So, he upped his game again by maneuvering and then immediately going in for an attack so Luffy would be unable to maneuver his fist(Unless that happened after, can't quite remember).


Not really. Law could take an assault from Fujitora and Doflamingo together and go on fighting for the rest of the day(minus the time spent in cuffs). Law has the durability needed to properly fight Luffy. Law has one of the most impressive pools of stamina, endurance and durability in the manga.

Another thing to note is that Doflamingo didn't spend the ENTIRE 51 minutes getting beat down. After Doflamingo activated Awakening, it became cat and mouse for 20 minutes with Luffy needing to do all he could do dodge Awakened attacks. The fact that he bothered to dodge them shows they could have indeed harmed him significantly, otherwise he'd just tank them.

They weren't casual punches. All of Luffy's punches can be the same strength because, at the end of the day, their strength depends on how much effort Luffy backs into the punch. Luffy can hit you with a Cavalry Cannon weaker than a Kong Gun now, and a Kong Gun weaker than a Cavalry Cannon in a few minutes.

Doflamingo said his sewing doesn't heal any of the injuries he got. All the stitching did was pulled the organs back together to restore function and stop internal bleeding. The actual pain, the actual tearing to the organs and surrounding tissue, the already done internal bleeding, are still there. Pain is a greatly inhibiting factor. It's a fact that the more pain you're in, the less your body can function properly. The performance we saw from Doflamingo vs Gear 4 is NOT the best Doflamingo can do.

For once I finally agree with u.

Saying that Luffy stomped Doffy in G4 is just ridiculous...not only Doffy tanked all G4 attack until KKG he even made Luffy take a 10 min break...

Cobra is way wrong.

 

[A v i]

The wank is real in this thread. Law as a fighter is no match for Luffy whatsoever, albeit he could win in a one on one battle thanks to his hax and Luffy's carelessness.


OT; No, I don't think Oda's making them seem equal via their bounties.

 

[loj]

The wank is real in this thread. Law as a fighter is no match for Luffy whatsoever, albeit he could win in a one on one battle thanks to his hax and Luffy's carelessness.


OT; No, I don't think Oda's making them seem equal via their bounties.

So where's the wank :|

 

[A v i]

So where's the wank :|

In every post supporting the point of Law being equal to Luffy.

 

[ToshiZO]

When it comes to speed, Luffy and Law are neck and neck. Law was able to skillfully intercept an Overheat, which traveled several KM in a single second, with his sword. Meanwhile,

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Don't even say Luffy was tired or injured by Bellamy; Law was injured from fighting Fujitora AND Doflamingo, and was using an ability that drains his stamina to do it. Any speed feat Luffy makes with Gear 4, Law can replicate with Shambles. Luffy crosses a vast distance by running or propelling himself, Law crosses it as well with Shambles.

its like people forget Law was fighting a marine Admiral and Doflamingo at the same time.

As for Haki, Law has superior Haki.

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Luffy attributed his Haki being susceptible to sharp attacks at it being too weak, as he said he needed to continue training it. Since Haoshoku is Luffy's specialty, it makes sense Luffy would be falling behind in Busoshoku.

Great catch even I used to think Luffy's haki was superior but now its quite obvious atleast in the armament category Law has the stronger haki.

Except Gamma Knife did do the same damage. Of course Gamma Knife didn't knock down Doffy a few times, it was a one-hit move. The thing about Doffy being knocked down is that can easily be attributed to cumulative damage. How do you know if healthy Doffy was hit by G4, he wouldn't spring right back up? When Luffy finished his Gear 4 assault, Doffy was down for a few seconds, and then fixed himself using his strings. When Gamma Knife was landed, Doffy got back up after a few seconds and quick stitching. Equivalent damage. The fact that Doffy sprung back up due to using strings indicates Gear 4 did so much damage to him because it undid the stitching from earlier and enhanced the damage already done from Gamma Knife. After all, Doffy said his strings don't heal, and Gear 4 only does blunt damage, so what else would he be stitching together aside from his organs? That alone indicates that without Gamma Knife being hit prior, Gear 4 wouldn't have done the same damage.

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is a very clear sign people miss when they ignore the damage Law did to Doflamingo, nice catch.

Great post overall, but those 2 things in particular are always overlooked.

 

[A v i]

Luffy was in base while dodging OH and a kick in general is far more powerful than an one handed attack let alone a kick which is heavily aided by momentum. Lets not overlook facts for the sake of arguments.

 

[bajram]

Bounties show the threat of the individual to WG not power levels, take for example Franky and Robin, portrayal wise Franky in a fight is stronger than Robin by every means but Robin still has a bigger bounty let alone Usopp who is clearly weaker than both and still has a bounty bigger than both, so no Oda doesnt use bounties for portrayal.

Also until more is shown Luffy is slightly stronger than Law currently.

 

[loj]

In every post supporting the point of Law being equal to Luffy.

Law can take on curent Luffy.

 

[A v i]

Law can take on curent Luffy.

If you're talking about him being able to win? May be; But if you're saying that he's just as capable as then you're wrong.

 

[loj]

If you're talking about him being able to win? May be; But if you're saying that he's just as capable as then you're wrong.

Yeah he could beat him.

 

[ToshiZO]

Luffy was in base while dodging OH and a kick in general is far more powerful than an one handed attack let alone a kick which is heavily aided by momentum. Lets not overlook facts for the sake of arguments.

nope

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Oda clearly laid out Luffy has trouble with sharp attacks. These are two examples now one of Doflamingos kick and one with Hody's bite. Law completely managed to block Doffy's strings while Luffy got injured by them.

Unless you think Hody's attack > Doflamingo's attack, and completely ignore what Oda laid out, Law's armament haki > Luffy's armament haki.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

nope

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Oda clearly laid out Luffy has trouble with sharp attacks. These are two examples now one of Doflamingos kick and one with Hody's bite. Law completely managed to block Doffy's strings while Luffy got injured by them.

Unless you think Hody's attack > Doflamingo's attack, and completely ignore what Oda laid out, Law's armament haki > Luffy's armament haki.

You're wrong there.... Luffy's armament on gear 2 maybe < Law ... but clearly not on gear 3 and 4.

 

[A v i]

nope

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Oda clearly laid out Luffy has trouble with sharp attacks. These are two examples now one of Doflamingos kick and one with Hody's bite. Law completely managed to block Doffy's strings while Luffy got injured by them.

Unless you think Hody's attack > Doflamingo's attack, and completely ignore what Oda laid out, Law's armament haki > Luffy's armament haki.

Luffy in his weakest form tanked Doffy's awakening attacks with minimal damage. This whole point of Luffy's haki being weak because he failed against Hody is a terrible argument if you ask me. Hody might be weak but his bite is most dangerous part about him so it's not really impossible for his bite to be more powerful than one of Joker's regular attacks. This argument itself is irrelevant in this discussion whatsoever and it doesn't support your point in slightest. Law tanked a weaker attack when Luffy tanked a much stronger attack with minimal damage. The portrayal you were talking about suggests no such a thing unless you think Doflamingo's kick (Backed up by momentum)= Simple one handed attack. Let me remind you how powerful Joker's kicks are just in case.

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^^^ That was his raw physical strength. He was using haki imbued strings during the attack that we were talking about. Attack in Luffy's case is clearly far more powerful.

 

[ToshiZO]

You're wrong there.... Luffy armament on gear 2 maybe < Law ... but clearly not on gear 3 and 4.

That makes no sense your haki doesnt get stronger...not to mention against Hody he used gear 2 on his arm. Doflamingo's very same kick didnt work on Luffy in G4 because of G4's properties not cause of Luffy's Haki.

@Avi
I have nothing more to say to you. I already said unless you think Hodys bite > Doffys attack. Which you do think is the case...nobody's changing your opinion on that. Not to mention if you look at the rest of the page where Law blocked his attack it cut the building into shreds so in terms of cutting power it doesnt lack.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

That makes no sense your haki doesnt get stronger...not to mention against Hody he used gear 2 on his arm. Doflamingo's very same kivk didnt work on Luffy in G4 bevause of G4's properties not cause of Luffy's Haki.

@Avi
I have nothing more to say to you. I already said unless you think Hodys bite > Doffys attack. Which you do think is the case...nobody's changing your opinion on that.

What properties? Did you forget what Law said? ... "Luffy is to much used his haki" ... or something like that.

 

[ToshiZO]

What properties? Did you forget what Law said? ... "Luffy is to much used his haki" ... or something like that.

Somebody else link the panels and explain this im on mobile and gotta go.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

Somebody else link the panels and explain this im on mobile and gotta go.

Luffy still have same skin, his skin can't be tougher on gear 3 and 4. Luffy only make his bone bigger in gear 3 and add force in gear 4, this thing wont help luffy to avoid get cut with string if his haki still on the same level. CoA can be controlled, how much the user need it and used it.

 

[Insidious Smile]

Oda's been trying to portray that since the beginning...its nothing new.

If all these plebs actually read dressrosa properly they'd know Law = Luffy.

Law and Luffy are not equal.

"Read Dressrosa properly"? I did acknowledge all those times Law got ass-spanked by Doffy.

One character defeated Doflamingo while the other character was fodderized, had is arm sawed off, and could not move for 20 minutes. It's clear who's the stronger between the two.

 

[A v i]

@Avi
I have nothing more to say to you. I already said unless you think Hodys bite > Doffys attack. Which you do think is the case...nobody's changing your opinion on that. Not to mention if you look at the rest of the page where Law blocked his attack it cut the building into shreds so in terms of cutting power it doesnt lack.

Nice way to dodge the actual point mate. I just said that it's possible for his most powerful move to be stronger than Doffy's regular attack but if you have a problem with that belief then lets ignore that point for the time being as it doesn't effect the actual point of outr argument. For Law to have better haki than Luffy, he needs to tank an equally powerful attack as the one Doffy used against Luffy. Doffy's attack in Luffy's case was clearly more powerful as explained above so my point still stands. He was apparently using same strings with legs as well as hands so strings on Luffy's case shares the same level of cutting ability and the attack would be far more powerful if used along with legs as his leg strength far exceeds that of his hands as proved on numerous occasions.

Btw, Luffy actually deflected a similar attack.Albeit it was from one of his clones so I don't know if it counts.

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I have no reason to be fixed about this argument. I am willing to change my opinion, If you can prove me wrong with legit proofs.

Somebody else link the panels and explain this im on mobile and gotta go.

I guess he was implying that it's possible to increase the level of your defense with excessive use of haki since Luffy apparently made his attacks more powerful by over using haki in G4 or something along these lines. I mean if you can make your attacks more powerful using more haki then you should technically be able to increase your defense by doing the same thought nothing actually supports that claim as far as we know at least.

NOTE: He wasn't mistaking it with Luffy's elasticity in G4.(As far as I understand)