Lady Chiyo VS Shippuden Kakashi

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

What is that little shield going to do againt like 7 ninja hounds that come up from the ground and literally bite you all over?
And Zabuza could also fight physically unless your saying Chiyo is stronger and faster than Prime Zabuza.

And how don't know how you can say he won't summon them, because it's not like it's an actual fight that happened, I'm just naming moves and you still haven't countered it.

Well if it's a fight they have to act in character. Kakashi out of common sense and respect for his friends does not summon them to get massacred. That little shield? Blocks ALL physical attacks and some ninjutsu according to the databook. It's not small and the dogs can't do a thing to it. Also if your argument is that they can come from different angles then...that's not going to be much use...Chiyo has 12 puppets which are much bigger threats that also come from all different angles at once. Three Treasures Suction Crush kills all Kakashi's little doggies and Hatake along with it. Kakashi fans along with Sasuke/Itachi fans really are the worst to debate against ugh

 

[Bantos]

I actually believe Chiyo wins in more situations than loses. She was a bad ass.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Normal Kakashi but not the fictional hype Kakashi that his fanbase have made in the war. Basically- he hasn't got Chakra Cloak and can use it about twice until he keels over like with Pain and with Deidara.

I really don't see Chiyo being taken out by Kamui. There will be constantly 3 or 11 figures at once surrounding him all with powerful attacks of their own, Chiyo isn't a slow hag and will be constantly covered or behind at least one puppet for the majority of the fight. Kamui isn't as useful as it normally would be.

He used it 5 times in the war without chakra cloak. #Mangaphux.

Kakashi isn't a man of hype he is a man of feats. Kakashi mid diff

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

He used it 5 times in the war without chakra cloak. #Mangaphux.

Kakashi isn't a man of hype he is a man of feats. Kakashi mid diff

Well it still ridiculously lowers his stamina everytime he does it and without powerhouses like Naruto, Guy and Bee to back him up, Kamui isn't enough of a trump card in this fight. Kamui is too risky in a fight against 11-13 constant moving targets coming at you with different fighting styles and directions.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Well it still ridiculously lowers his stamina everytime he does it and without powerhouses like Naruto, Guy and Bee to back him up, Kamui isn't enough of a trump card in this fight. Kamui is too risky in a fight against 11-13 constant moving targets coming at you with different fighting styles and directions.

He did it with a whole bunch of other techs fyi.

I never said it was the trump card. He can actually win without it since this location has an ample water source. Water dragons and water vortex wrecks chiyo and her puppets, and to add to that it can possibly block line of sight, letting him set up clone feints and gimmicks for the off chance that she survives.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

He did it with a whole bunch of other techs fyi.

I never said it was the trump card. He can actually win without it since this location has an ample water source. Water dragons and water vortex wrecks chiyo and her puppets, and to add to that it can possibly block line of sight, letting him set up clone feints and gimmicks for the off chance that she survives.

Finally, a good argument! I personally don't see a standard jutsu (admittedly diverse) wielding Copy Ninja being enough for Chiyo. Clones? Chiyo's ten puppets WRECKED an army of 100 puppets, that's no joke. Gimmicks? Chiyo isn't getting fooled by parlour tricks when just her 2 base puppets were a match for The strongest Kazekage in history (confirmed)

Chiyo's Light Shield can probably tank a water dragon and each has spares if it happened to break, including Mother and Father who also have one each. Water style isn't going to be working. Chikamatsu's puppets by the way...are FAST. The speed they were pulling off their teamwork combos at is fast enough to outspeed a water dragon that's for sure. Kakashi has little to protect him from Three Jewels Suction Crush and the only way he can avoid is by hiding, putting him on the defensive.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Finally, a good argument! I personally don't see a standard jutsu (admittedly diverse) wielding Copy Ninja being enough for Chiyo. Clones? Chiyo's ten puppets WRECKED an army of 100 puppets, that's no joke. Gimmicks? Chiyo isn't getting fooled by parlour tricks when just her 2 base puppets were a match for The strongest Kazekage in history (confirmed)

Chiyo's Light Shield can probably tank a water dragon and each has spares if it happened to break, including Mother and Father who also have one each. Water style isn't going to be working. Chikamatsu's puppets by the way...are FAST. The speed they were pulling off their teamwork combos at is fast enough to outspeed a water dragon that's for sure. Kakashi has little to protect him from Three Jewels Suction Crush and the only way he can avoid is by hiding, putting him on the defensive.

1) kakashi doesn't use clones but clone feints. I.e. he switches himself with the clone then analyzes.
This tactic worked on S-rank nin (zabuza) and over half the members of the akatsuki dojutsu users included.(kisame,itachi,nagato,deidara,hidan)

So saying chiyo is an exception is laughable at best.

2)water Dragon and vortex are aoe attacks ment to wipe out her puppets. Her shield acts like a shield not a bubble. That's like saying shield can stop a wave hitting the beach.

3) her puppets might be fast but she is not. Coupled with the fact that sharingan can see chakra, all of her hand movements (something even sakura was able to pick up on when fighting sasori) and her chakra strings not only will he be able to associate which finger controls which puppet he will also know what to expect depending on how her fingers twitch. Kakashi will also know the location of her puppets since they will be connected to her chakra at all times.

3)Earth wall, water wall and hiding like mole let's him block line of sight, block any of her attacks, and set up his tried and true clone feints all at the same time, right under her nose.

He can probably even cut the strings themselves via raikiri but hey I'll leave that for your response.

 

[garas56]

I am exited to se how Chyo will Kill Kakashi when Hiden mist tech is Casted?then "hiding lika mole", dogs sumon,oR Lighting clone and raikiri combo shuld deal with that old Gremblin...Kakashi wins Low to Norm dif Not more

 

[NarutoIndra]

Kakashi without Kmaui still wins.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

I am exited to se how Chyo will Kill Kakashi when Hiden mist tech is Casted?then "hiding lika mole", dogs sumon,oR Lighting clone and raikiri combo shuld deal with that old Gremblin...Kakashi wins Low to Norm dif Not more

LOL this is the kind of post I love to laugh at. Low-to norm difficulty!? that 'Gremblin' used to fight evenly in base mode with the strongest Kazekage of all time and kept up with one of the Akatsuki's strongest. Unlike the other guy you're clearly just letting hype drive your response.

Hiding like a mole? It's just hiding. Gotta come out eventually, this also puts Kakashi on the defensive which isn't as good place to be against 11-13 puppets at once.

Hiding in Mist? Doesn't have it. It'll be fun to see him try that one.

Dog summon? Pales in comparison to the puppets, any argument people come up with for the dogs is the exact same as the puppets except the puppets are much stronger, faster and there are more of them.

Raikiri? Normal attacking move, considering Kakashi has to move with it, a light shield or 2 will cover this and then he'll be left open for the gangrape of Chikamatsu.

Please know your stuff first buddy.

 

[xKiD SPiiD3rMaN]

Well if it's a fight they have to act in character. Kakashi out of common sense and respect for his friends does not summon them to get massacred. That little shield? Blocks ALL physical attacks and some ninjutsu according to the databook. It's not small and the dogs can't do a thing to it. Also if your argument is that they can come from different angles then...that's not going to be much use...Chiyo has 12 puppets which are much bigger threats that also come from all different angles at once. Three Treasures Suction Crush kills all Kakashi's little doggies and Hatake along with it. Kakashi fans along with Sasuke/Itachi fans really are the worst to debate against ugh

I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say to you, and instead of categorizing me as a Kakashi fan you should atleast try to read into what I'm saying. Obviously you're biased for Chiyo and that's cool and everything but...

The dog summons would be useless, I agree if they appeared directly in front of Kakashi, maybe I should have been more specific. However, Kakashi can summon the dogs to move underground and appear underneath his target. Which makes perfect sense because puppet masters have fighting styles that are for the most part stationary. Now whether you want to say that Chiyo would notice and get out of the way is on you, but Zabuza was still caught by this technique in his hidden mist technique where vision is hindered and things are relatively quiet (hence silent killing).

I'm not saying Kakashi uses the dogs to actually fight face up, but more to bind Chiyo. Once she's binded the range of her puppets would be significantly decreased, enough for Kakashi to either side step her attacks or just blitz her with Raikiri.

This coupled with bunshin feints, should be more than enough to put her down. As far avoiding her suction tech, Kakashi can most likely travel into the Kamui dimension at will now, so I don't really see it being too much of an issue. Or he could just sharingan genjutsu her which could also work as well.

 

[Takos]

Normal Kakashi but not the fictional hype Kakashi that his fanbase have made in the war. Basically- he hasn't got Chakra Cloak and can use it about twice until he keels over like with Pain and with Deidara.

Fictional hype Kakashi is Kakashi that can on his own warp the Juubi or the Bijuu whole.

NORMAL KAKASHI, as you put it, is not Kakashi that can use Kamui twice and is done, but Kakashi that can use Kamui about 12 times and has chakra for other jutsu. Lol

You might call me a biased hater or whatever, but if the manga clearly shows Kakashi do 6 kamui after kage bunshin and a bunch of regular jutsu, before getting his chakra refilled for the first time, you're the one dehyping characters against manga facts, as much as you'd love to say Kakashi fanboys overrate him and his Kamui.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Fictional hype Kakashi is Kakashi that can on his own warp the Juubi or the Bijuu whole.

NORMAL KAKASHI, as you put it, is not Kakashi that can use Kamui twice and is done, but Kakashi that can use Kamui about 12 times and have chakra for other jutsu. Lol

12 times!? okay this is getting quite ridiculous.

Okay okay just so I don't have to do with any kamui BS (I hate the thing) let me make this clearer, this is the Kakashi that fought Pain and Deidara. He used Kamui like once after a bunch of other jutsu and then died from exhaustion.

 

[Takos]

12 times!? okay this is getting quite ridiculous.

Creating one kage bunshin halves the user's chakra. And after using kage bunshin, Kakashi used Kamui 6 times later on.
Of course they were of varying sizes, ranging from a kunai to Gedo Mazo's neck, that's why I said "about" 12 Kamui on full chakra, but that's not the point. The point is, he can certainly use it multiple times, for that's what the manga has shown us.

Okay okay just so I don't have to do with any kamui BS (I hate the thing) let me make this clearer, this is the Kakashi that fought Pain and Deidara. He used Kamui like once after a bunch of other jutsu and then died from exhaustion.

So, is it Pain arc Kakashi or Kazekage rescue arc Kakashi? This still makes a difference, because Kakashi's aim against Deidara was poor, while against Pain his Kamui was already fast and precise, even if still stamina-taxing.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Creating one kage bunshin halves the user's chakra. And after using kage bunshin, Kakashi used Kamui 6 times later on.
Of course they were of varying sizes, ranging from a kunai to Gedo Mazo's neck, that's why I said "about" 12 Kamui on full chakra, but that's not the point. The point is, he can certainly use it multiple times, for that's what the manga has shown us.



So, is it Pain arc Kakashi or Kazekage rescue arc Kakashi? This still makes a difference, because Kakashi's aim against Deidara was poor, while against Pain his Kamui was already fast and precise, even if still stamina-taxing.

Pain, I wasn't aware there was a difference between these 2 arcs actually.