Kyuubi POWER not a handout

[SkyGodHorus]

People need to stop with this "handout" crap.

Countless techniques throughout this series are considered "handouts."

-Orochimaru gave sasuke curse mark and the kusanagi

-Jiraiya gave Naruto Rasengan

-Kakashi gave sasuke chidori

-All natural kekkei genki users are born with them

-The Uzumakis gave Minato fuijutsu

-Five main antagonists stole Hashirama's cells and used them to increase their power

-Gai gave Lee the 8 gates

-Kaguya obtained her powers from the Shinju fruit

-Hagoromo obtained his from her

-Nagato's Rinnegan came from Madara

-EMS is a fusion of two sets of MS

-Itachi gave his doujutsus to Sasuke

-Fukasaku taught Jiraiya and Naruto senjutsu

-Kakashi copied techniques with his sharingan

"Handouts" are not a "bad thing." They are part of the plot, story and characters and it is not as if characters can automatically use them. They must train with and utilize them while some are dormant for a long time like Ashura's chakra was with Naruto, the sharingan tomoes were with Sasuke and the Byakugou was with Sakura.

 

[Deliquesce]

yeah,i think naruto earned the power of nine tails by himself
but i think sasuke also unlocked the susanoo, and all by himself?

 

[Nebula]

For the record naruto handed out kyuubi chakra to the whole SA, so it is hand out sorta.

 

[lucario14]

Naruto used kyuubi power before he unlocked kcm and bm forms sp it was.

Don't take it to heart many characters got handouts including Sasuke and madara. Even kaguya the mother of all shinobi

 

[Naruto is Zyzz]

Sasuke earned his MS, he had to kill itachi to gain it.

& He never would've unlocked EMS if he didn't overuse his MS [which means he fought for it/earned it].



He fought for it, meaning he earned it.

The emotions or what have you is irrelevant because he wouldn't be in those situations if not for using his previous powers.

he didnt earn the ms. If you read the manga you should know that the mangekyou is awakened when you experience the trauma of loosing someone very close to you. By your logic obito shouldnt have his Ms and we all know that obito didnt have to kill anyone to unlock it.... furthermore he didnt have to kill itachi as that is not a prerequisite for attaining a ms.

Secondly, do you read Naruto whilst your high? sasuke again did not earn the ems it was given to him. Him overusing his eyes had nothing to do with him unlocking the ems. The ems is acquired by transplanting another pair of ms. Whether he overused ms is irrelevant as that would not affect his ability to unlock ems. As soon as he obtained the ms he had the power to choose whenever he wanted to get the ems so no your statement/argument is invalid.

 

[Draphsin]

he didnt earn the ms. If you read the manga you should know that the mangekyou is awakened when you experience the trauma of loosing someone very close to you. By your logic obito shouldnt have his Ms and we all know that obito didnt have to kill anyone to unlock it.... furthermore he didnt have to kill itachi as that is not a prerequisite for attaining a ms.

Secondly, do you read Naruto whilst your high? sasuke again did not earn the ems it was given to him. Him overusing his eyes had nothing to do with him unlocking the ems. The ems is acquired by transplanting another pair of ms. Whether he overused ms is irrelevant as that would not affect his ability to unlock ems. As soon as he obtained the ms he had the power to choose whenever he wanted to get the ems so no your statement/argument is invalid.

Lol Well you failed to see my point. I'll just post this from a previous convo because it explains my point. U_U

In the manga you usually get stronger through hard work & training, as you train through battles you get more adept with your abilities & learn new things.

For sasuke it started off that way, he worked for his nin/taijutsu, he earned his sharingan, & trained with oro to master his CM. [Getting CM was an unfortunate circumstance, like naruto & kurama, but I digress].

Now when sasuke got to itachi that was supposed to represent his training to obtain the mangekyou. Even though killing itachi gave sasuke the chance to ignore MS altogether he still refused to transplant the eyes which is the important part.

This is where it changes, so instead of getting better as you use the mangekyou you get worse [blindness]. Therefore, sasuke's eyesight would be getting worse as he would normally be getting "stronger".

As you can see

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, sasuke reaches the final form of his susanoo [indicating mangekyou mastery] however the trade off is that he goes blind. At this point is when sasuke deserves the EMS powerup, because as he just started to master his techniques the drawbacks of blindness turn him into a weakling [seems a bit unfair when you put it in perspective].

Fighting the gokage & danzo was sasuke's makeshift training in order to obtain the EMS [think of it as kishi's compensation for giving sasuke two powerups together].

 

[Naruto is Zyzz]

Yes it is. It was saving naruto's ass long before he tamed it's power and even that he accomplished with help U_U

Exactly he tamed it. Just because you have a pet doesnt mean it will obey your every command or give you what you want until you tame it. So no the kyuubi never gave Naruto control of its power until Naruto beat the shit out of it that is.

Secondly the topic is not about Naruto being saved by Kurama. Stick to the topic. Kurama didnt wake up one day and go " you know what? im going to give Naruto control of my chakra" lol no. Naruto took his chakra by force and then befriended him.

 

[TrollKing]

he didnt earn the ms. If you read the manga you should know that the mangekyou is awakened when you experience the trauma of loosing someone very close to you. By your logic obito shouldnt have his Ms and we all know that obito didnt have to kill anyone to unlock it.... furthermore he didnt have to kill itachi as that is not a prerequisite for attaining a ms.

Secondly, do you read Naruto whilst your high? sasuke again did not earn the ems it was given to him. Him overusing his eyes had nothing to do with him unlocking the ems. The ems is acquired by transplanting another pair of ms. Whether he overused ms is irrelevant as that would not affect his ability to unlock ems. As soon as he obtained the ms he had the power to choose whenever he wanted to get the ems so no your statement/argument is invalid.

People need to understand the definition of "earn" and "earning". If you don't work, you don't earn anything. Everything is handout unless they have a job and are "working". So I agree with you sasuke didn't earn nothing. And naruto didn't earn jack too, only receiving handout like a champ

 

[Naruto is Zyzz]

Lol Well you failed to see my point. I'll just post this from a previous convo because it explains my point. U_U

In the manga you usually get stronger through hard work & training, as you train through battles you get more adept with your abilities & learn new things.

For sasuke it started off that way, he worked for his nin/taijutsu, he earned his sharingan, & trained with oro to master his CM. [Getting CM was an unfortunate circumstance, like naruto & kurama, but I digress].

Now when sasuke got to itachi that was supposed to represent his training to obtain the mangekyou. Even though killing itachi gave sasuke the chance to ignore MS altogether he still refused to transplant the eyes which is the important part.

This is where it changes, so instead of getting better as you use the mangekyou you get worse [blindness]. Therefore, sasuke's eyesight would be getting worse as he would normally be getting "stronger".

As you can see

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, sasuke reaches the final form of his susanoo [indicating mangekyou mastery] however the trade off is that he goes blind. At this point is when sasuke deserves the EMS powerup, because as he just started to master his techniques the drawbacks of blindness turn him into a weakling [seems a bit unfair when you put it in perspective].

Fighting the gokage & danzo was sasuke's makeshift training in order to obtain the EMS [think of it as kishi's compensation for giving sasuke two powerups together].

I didnt fail to see your point. What you're saying makes sense and i respect your opinion. However it still doesnt change the fact that the Ms and Ems are handouts. Sasuke didnt have to train for Ms or Ems. As a matter of fact he couldve spent every single day of his life doing rigorous training but that would never unlock the ms or ems. From the manga we know that there is only two ways too unlock the ms; either kill a close relative or your closest friend or you can witness one of them die. So the moment Sasuke awakened his Sharingan his ability to awaken the ms was not determined by how hard he trained. In other words Sasuke never trained to obtain the Mangekyo. He trained simply to gain the ability to kill Itachi and nothing else.

Secondly, his use of the ms in no way affected his ability to obtain the ems. Whether he used it or not he could obtain it either ways. So how could he have possibly earned it? So basically he was given the ems. Furthermore his fight with the gokage and Danzo didnt affect his ability to awaken the ems. All he had to do was transplant itachis eyes. In no way did he have to work hard for the ms nor ems. They were pretty much given to him.

 

[Naruto is Zyzz]

People need to understand the definition of "earn" and "earning". If you don't work, you don't earn anything. Everything is handout unless they have a job and are "working". So I agree with you sasuke didn't earn nothing. And naruto didn't earn jack too, only receiving handout like a champ

No shit. People are just to proud to admit that they are wrong. Nothing about Sasukes eyes are earned. However with Naruto the kyuubi part to an extent is and is not a hand out. However most of his other stuff arent such as sage mode. Where as Sasuke was pretty much given everything, but then again its the theme of the characters; Naruto- hardworking untalented ninja and Sasuke-gifted genius

 

[take it easy]

No shit. People are just to proud to admit that they are wrong. Nothing about Sasukes eyes are earned. However with Naruto the kyuubi part to an extent is and is not a hand out. However most of his other stuff arent such as sage mode. Where as Sasuke was pretty much given everything, but then again its the theme of the characters; Naruto- hardworking untalented ninja and Sasuke-gifted genius

nope. naruto has hidden potential.

 

[TrollKing]

nope. naruto has hidden potential.

His potential is jubi mode

 

[TrollKing]

No shit. People are just to proud to admit that they are wrong. Nothing about Sasukes eyes are earned. However with Naruto the kyuubi part to an extent is and is not a hand out. However most of his other stuff arent such as sage mode. Where as Sasuke was pretty much given everything, but then again its the theme of the characters; Naruto- hardworking untalented ninja and Sasuke-gifted genius

You are too high. Naruto is as much of a handout king if he's not the biggest one. You are too bias

 

[Naruto is Zyzz]

You are too high. Naruto is as much of a handout king if he's not the biggest one. You are too bias

I never said that nothing about Naruto is a handout. If you read what i said you can see that it says that he is to an extent however most of them arent, meaning only some things are. Dont believe me? then lets talk about sage mode. Sage mode is clearly not a handout. He had to work hard for it. At some point he believed it would be impossible too achieve.
What do you mean biased? everyone is biased. Having a perspective or opinion makes you biased...