[VS] Kuzan vs Jack

[Osmon]

No restrictions
No intel
Intention to kill
At the same place Doffy and Smoker fought.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I don't c Jack being stronger then doffy just because of his df etc... Even if not by much after all doffy was pretty tough and ran his own shit whereas Jack is in same boat as Jozu vista (not saying Marco cuz it's not clear if he's first mate I doubt it cuz he was the first of 3 calamities to be shown)
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But yeah I'd say he can push kuzan to solid mid diff if he has awakening like doffy if not prob high end of low diff

 

[Osmon]

I don't c Jack being stronger then doffy just because of his df etc... Even if not by much after all doffy was pretty tough and ran his own shit whereas Jack is in same boat as Jozu vista (not saying Marco cuz it's not clear if he's first mate I doubt it cuz he was the first of 3 calamities to be shown)
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But yeah I'd say he can push kuzan to solid mid diff if he has awakening like doffy if not prob high end of low diff

I'm convinced that we haven't seen his full power yet and that somehow he will get played by the plot lol

 

[loj]

I'm confused what does that "no intel" mean?

Nvm it's Kuzan anyways

 

[LBeezy]

I'm gonna go with Kuzan.

I think any of the Admirals could defeat Jack in a 1v1 fight..

 

[Skull Knight]

Kuzan wins low-mid diff

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I don't c Jack being stronger then doffy just because of his df etc... Even if not by much after all doffy was pretty tough and ran his own shit whereas Jack is in same boat as Jozu vista (not saying Marco cuz it's not clear if he's first mate I doubt it cuz he was the first of 3 calamities to be shown)
....

But yeah I'd say he can push kuzan to solid mid diff if he has awakening like doffy if not prob high end of low diff

Vergo was the first top executive shown, and he turned out to be the strongest. So Jack being the first calamity shown doesn't mean that he is not the strongest. The fact that Jack has a 1B beri bounty is enough to convince me that he is the first mate.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Vergo was the first top executive shown, and he turned out to be the strongest. So Jack being the first calamity shown doesn't mean that he is not the strongest. The fact that Jack has a 1B beri bounty is enough to convince me that he is the first mate.

Not to mention Zoro was the first SH were introduced to other than Luffy, and he isn't anywhere near the weakest. Just because they were revealed first doesn't mean they're the weakest in any group of people. Hell, Mihawk was shown first out of the Shichibukai and he's in all likelihood the strongest.

OT: Kuzan high diff.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

A yonkou first mate vs an Admiral? Kuzan obviously wins......

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Vergo was the first top executive shown, and he turned out to be the strongest. So Jack being the first calamity shown doesn't mean that he is not the strongest. The fact that Jack has a 1B beri bounty is enough to convince me that he is the first mate.

Bounties don't mean anything by your logic he should only be as strong as two aces lol..

Also that would mean that Moria was stronger then kuma And ace is stronger then doffy...


All I'm saying is that jack seems to b more of close combat kind of fighter which is why he has to use that cheap weapon if cannot defeat a person in close combat (said dukes -.-) someone like kuzan doffy potentially sabo (once he gets the Mera Mera figured out) they can keep the fight long distance.... Etc


All he has shown (which is going by that) is to be more of close combat which doesn't go well with kuzan... If can take off limbs in brink of second lol (Jozu)

Also Enel oda said had government known about him would be 500 million bounty at least ....

Croc if the government knew about what he was doing as an underground boss and taking over alabaster would be at the very least 300 to 400 mill bounty

Doffy himself with the worlds best underground broker supplying weapons to both sides (world g and yonko alike) taking over a kingdom and killing innocents and abducting 1,000's of ppl (the toys) some being marines and pirates hunted by marines so withholding them and information etc.. And don't get me started about how he was using the warlord system and blackmailing the Nobels etc his bounty would be at very least 750 mill prob 1 bill as well..


What I don't understand is why someone like law (age around 26 or so) had never heard of Jack despite his bounty being so high he must have done things note worthy to get that bounty unless it just comes from being under kaido I wonder what Marco bounty is ... Sorry for rambling point is bounties don't mean shit by his feats and how he fights at best he can push kuzan to a solid mid diff... Similar to Jozu doffy vista etc he can fight admiral level fighters but cannot win for most Part

 

[chopstickchakra]

I'm convinced that we haven't seen his full power yet and that somehow he will get played by the plot lol

I agree we haven't seen his full power(I hope because we've seen nothing of it yet) but I still don't see him being above any Admiral.

 

[Osmon]

I agree we haven't seen his full power(I hope because we've seen nothing of it yet) but I still don't see him being above any Admiral.

Obviously but I'd be nice to see if Jack and Kaido live up to that hype surrounding them lol

 

[chopstickchakra]

Obviously but I'd be nice to see if Jack and Kaido live up to that hype surrounding them lol

Kaido will, I honestly hope Jack doesn't I feel he's gotten too much hype for his showing. It'll take a lot more than a 1bil. bounty and fighting 2 minks for 5 days before I see him as big a threat as others make him out to be. Maybe if we see some of his fight with Doffy's escorts or maybe if we see he got Doffy then I'll start to concede but until then I find it hard to believe there's an enemy he could beat Doffy couldn't and I don't believe Jack could beat Doffy either.

 

[Passerby]

Kuzan wins med diff. However IF Jack was indeed able to fight on par against Fujitora+Sengoku then Jack could defeat Kuzan...maybe.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Kuzan wins med diff. However IF Jack was indeed able to fight on par against Fujitora+Sengoku then Jack could defeat Kuzan...maybe.

No one ever said he fought on par with both of them together.

 

[Passerby]

No one ever said he fought on par with both of them together.

Thats why i said "if"
Because I think Jack jumped into the ship carrying Doflamingo and was confronted by Fuji and Sengoku and then he fought them.

The WG didnt want the world to know how Jack was able fight both Fujitora,Sengoku and was able to sink 2 battleships so they claimed that Jack was killed instead.
(Remember how the Marines never wanted the world to know that Luffy defeated Moria and so they told Kuma to kill him? A similar situation may have happened with Jack as well.)

 

[Itachi Minato]

Kuzan mid diff

 

[A v i]

Jack ain't no fodder but I find the concept of Jack being >/= Kuzan hard to believe. I'd say Jack is most certainly the inferior one b/w the two. So, Kuzan will be the victor regardless of the difficulty.

Bounties don't mean anything by your logic he should only be as strong as two aces lol..

Also that would mean that Moria was stronger then kuma And ace is stronger then doffy...

If Bounty concept doesn't mean anything. Then, Oda doesn't hype his characters left and right using their bounties. He has been doing this since the beginning of the series. Although, bounty can't be taken for granted, it does reflect ones strength unless you want to tell me you know more about his series than Oda himself, considering the author finds it imperative to use bounties to hype his characters.

However IF Jack was indeed able to fight on par against Fujitora+Sengoku then Jack could defeat Kuzan...maybe.

Jack must be the strongest given how not even Gol D. Roger could fight on par with both of them at the same time.

#JackforPK

 

[Zorø]

Kuzan wins but by no means it will be easy Jack is a Savage but Kuzan is the monster that stood up against Akainu for 10 day I doubt jack would last 3 Days so I have to give it to the Ice man.

 

[YellowFang]

Kill intent/ w/o intel:

Kuzan low diff...



Kill intent/ w/ intel:

Kuzan mid-high diff...


Note: location is on the winter side of PH... Kuzan has environmental support.