[VS] Kurotsuchi VS Shino
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She uses Earth Dome and finds she's built a nest as a new queen.
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Since you asked me to post, here are my thoughts. Kurotsuchi has no real killing potential jutsu. Water trumpet isn't killing Shino, nor his bugs (given their durability feats) and quicklime could potentially be a hassle, but it's AoE is not successfully countering a bug swarm.
Earth Moving Core - This technique restricts the users movements and leaves them defenseless. A perfect opportunity for Shino to counter with his insects that could travel a good 20+ meter distance within seconds [
Earth Golems - With zero speed feats, I have no reason to believe these things are fast. If Shino could handle Mini-Jubi minions in CQC [
I don't know what other jutsu you're giving her, but I don't see how she wins or ever successfully counters an insect swarm and globe.
Earth Moving Core - This technique restricts the users movements and leaves them defenseless. A perfect opportunity for Shino to counter with his insects that could travel a good 20+ meter distance within seconds [
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]. If Kurotsuchi somehow buys the time to utilize this technique and sends herself down to eliminate the possibility of getting swarmed from all directions, Shino could figure out what she's doing via
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. And by doing so, I don't see any reason why the Kikaichu can't travel through the ground behind the earthworms and flank her. Earth Golems - With zero speed feats, I have no reason to believe these things are fast. If Shino could handle Mini-Jubi minions in CQC [
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], I don't see why wouldn't he be able to avoid the golems as well.I don't know what other jutsu you're giving her, but I don't see how she wins or ever successfully counters an insect swarm and globe.
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I'll take your word for it regarding the bolded, but could you link me to these feats? Even if the water horn can't kill the bugs, that doesn't mean that they'll be left completely unscathed. The water soaks their wings, hindering their ability to fly (if not, fly nearly as quickly as they normally can) unless the bugs' durability feats are that good.
Quicklime can to inflict burns on moist or wet skin, especially around the face, so Shino could end up taking damage if he's ever tagged with the Water Horn technique followed up by some quicklime globs.
All Kurotsuchi has to do is quickly palm the ground. Ittan was capable of sinking the earth dozens of feet below the ground before C1 could explode on them which is a half decent speed feat [
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]-[
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]. The bugs are faster than I thought, but the distance Shino attacked from is
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[
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], and he also has to release the bugs from his body first [
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]. I know that they can probably just attack from the getgo but covering that distance before Kurotsuchi can sink herself and get ready to counter is a bit debatable. I'm not entirely sure that Kurotsuchi can win either, just pointing out some things. The only techniques that Icelerate and I think that she should have are the Earth Style Wall and the Mobile Core technique, so I won't address the golems.
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Link to my thread exploiting the Aburame Clan - [
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]Furthermore, they were literally caught in the crossfire between the Jubi and the SA [
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] and were still alive and fully functioning [
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]. I find it pretty safe to say that a measily Water Trumpet isn't harming them. Plus, the AoE isn't hitting every insect anyways. Tagging Shino isn't going to be an easy feat while combating an insect swarm that would also greatly hinder Kurotsuchi's
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. Not to mention if insect bunshins come into play. Yeah, that definitely isn't over 20 meters, my bad. I'd say around 15, or a little less. But the starting distance is 20 meters, and I doubt the very first thing Kurotsuchi would do is immediately opt into using Moving Earth Core off bat, while the first thing Shino would do is release his insects. Debatable, but I think it's very fair to say that the starting distance and execution of both is favoring Shino though. By the time she slams her hand on the ground and executes the jutsu, the insects should at the very least be within close-range... they sense and follow chakra [
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], so as she lowers herself, the insects would follow. By then I'd think it would be too late. She has no great AoE jutsu or 360 defense to protect herself from a swarm then insect globe. Okay... well that's fair.
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her fire has no feats & her quicklime is not good for range or AoE.
using earth jutsu, which is a likely reaction at some point, will spell certain doom for Kuro.
using earth jutsu, which is a likely reaction at some point, will spell certain doom for Kuro.
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I suppose that they won't be getting killed but their wings are exposed mid flight which is probably the most vulnerable of their small body parts without the benefit of being completely covered by their shells. Their ability to maintain flight never really directly challenged anyway, and all of those attacks used by the SA were spread over a wide area and wouldn't have the same effect on their wings as a direct Water Horn stream from short range. I think the most she can accomplish is slowing them down considerably if she doesn't stop them from flying alltogether. The AoE of the insects won't be much of a problem if Kurotsuchi can line them all up by making them go through a narrow opening in the way of something like
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(but deeper and more narrow), or
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(on a smaller scale since she can't replicate the entire thing by herself). 1. Forming an earth wall in front of her and subsequently shifting a small block of land below the ground
Or
2. Forming the volcano I scanned above right below her
would give Kurotsuchi enough time to prepare her following attack without getting swarmed, and also gives her a 360 defense in that the bugs can only fly towards her in a crowded fashion and in a linear pattern through a narrow hole.
However I don't think that the Water Horn will be sufficient enough to stop the bugs from attacking completely so she'll have to douse them with quicklime. I also agree that the conditions of this thread still favour Shino since the bugs might be to quick to attach themselves to her and drain her chakra before she can counter all of them safely and completely. Overall I think that he'll take it a good majority of the time under regular circumstances. I think Kurotsuchi has better chances to win with full intel and maybe a wider starting distance between the two.
On a side note, do you agree with Kurotsuchi having access to the mobile core technique and the earth wall?
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But all those fuuton attacks were clashing with the Juubi's shockwaves, and the insects were caught inbetween that. Sure, they were spread over a wide area, but that still say's something given the level of destructive power of a Jubi's shockwave. If the wings were really that vulnerable, then the power of the clashing attacks should of impaired their wings somehow. If you're just arguing that the Water Trumpet will slow them down, then yeah possibly, but don't forget they eat chakra so I only see it being temporarily.
Shino is a tactical genius, and wouldn't opt into sending in his insects in such a fashion where they can be all easily taken out. Either he could simply wait it out or possibly flank her from underground via the method I proposed in my previous post. I just don't see him foolishly sending them through a narrow entrance hole, which is what his opponent is waiting for. If anything dropping an explosive kunai in there would be more effective.
Yeah, I find it very reasonable to assume she can perform those doton techniques.