Kurotsuchi > Sakura?

[Jiren]

There is already multiple pages of this argument so plz dont continue..

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Kuro > Sakura in combat ability so she beats her in combat. Sakura> Kuro in things other than combat ability. Also the rest is just a very bad excuse to deny the Manga. I know Sakura is strong , gifted , smart and watever but all thats irrelevant here. Her diligence has jack to do with her COMBAT ABILITY.

Sakura fans think she is really on par with a kage in combat ability. Lol?

 

[KidGamer65]

Like I said, "End of Discussion". Anyone who wants to entertain this boy's delusional argumentation can go ahead.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

WTF... Chojuro is able to dodge Kinshiki?

His reaction shouldn't even be on par with Hebi Sasuke's logically, let alone MS and EMS Sasuke.

What in the hell is Ikemoto doing to this Manga?

 

[Hakke]

Author's portray > fan's opinions.

I'd accept it was true if it was fact but it isn't.

You'll still have to prove that Shikamaru's statement really is coming from the author and a way to portray the Kage as the strongest, which you can't since all statements in the Manga are never proven until the actual evidence is there.

If it's true, then naturally it will be proven by the evidence in the future. If it's not, we'll see to that as well.

But so far, you can't say Kurotsuchi is strongest because of that statement. It's too small of an information to base your argument off of.

Also... The author didn't state anything. Who knows why that statement is there? Can you say you read his mind and were able to tell that the author wanted it there for specifically clarification purposes? No, you cannot. It's still a statement and not fact.

Fact would be the author himself stating that the Kage's are the strongest. Shikamaru stating it doesn't make it fact or whatsoever. One can still use their brains to discern whether or not it's what the author says. Just as you discerned that the Sharingan didn't come from the Byakugan.

Wow just wow. I never imagined that you would be this retarded.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Like I said, "End of Discussion". Anyone who wants to entertain this boy's delusional argumentation can go ahead.

Sasuke with EMS (who was tiers faster than Chojuro by the way) couldn't react to JJ Obito but Chojuro can react to a faster foe? Think about that for a second.

 

[Askeladd]

Zack is some next level dumbass.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke with EMS (who was tiers faster than Chojuro by the way) couldn't react to JJ Obito but Chojuro can react to a faster foe? Think about that for a second.

Kinshiki isn't faster than Obito. :lol

 

[Made in Heaven]

Sakura is now weaker than 3-year old Tsunade accoring to Zack's logic.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Kinshiki isn't faster than Obito. :lol

Let's go lower.

He's tiers faster than Edo Madara, who would rape Chojuro.

Yet Chojuro can react to him, even dodge him?

Ikemoto is spicing the Manga up bro. Just for entertainment.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Wow just wow. I never imagined that you would be this retarded.

Okay, the first bold seems wrong.

All statements made by characters do come from the author, but how do you tell that he's trying to convey a message?

Like in Itachi's case for instance. He said only an Uchiha with the same eyes (MS) could break out of Tsukuyomi.

Yet... Yet Sasuke broke out of it without MS.

So the author in that time was supposedly telling us that Sasuke couldn't break out of Tsukuyomi.

But then how did that change?

So you see... Statements aren't to be taken as fact.

KidGamer seems to have that perception. Like all statements from characters renowned for being extremely intelligent (Itachi, Shikamaru, Madara etc.) are to be taken as fact. It just doesn't make sense that way.

They're still not fact at the end of the day, so why should we not have an opinion or use what we already know to discern whether they're true?

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Just the fact the Kage's could react to Kinshiki, and even hurt him is just too much.

In other words, V2 A would deal real damage on Kinshiki. Same A who couldn't do anything of substance to Madara.

I would bet Hinata has better reaction than Chojuro.

So this means Hinata could dodge Kinshiki? Ikemoto has really brought up the standard of this Manga.

Sakura and Hinata are now near-god tier. Bet Hinata with Hamura chakra would one-shot Kinshiki.

Lee is almost broken now. He'd probably toy with Kinshiki.

 

[KidGamer65]

Let's go lower.

He's tiers faster than Edo Madara, who would rape Chojuro.

Yet Chojuro can react to him, even dodge him?

Ikemoto is spicing the Manga up bro. Just for entertainment.

Edo Madara would easily blitz 19 yr old Chojuro. Not 34 yr old Mizukage Chojuro. I hope I don't have to explain what can happen to a person's ability in the span of 15 years.

Now stop making stupid excuses. Whether or not that was his full speed, Chojuro dodged him. End of story.

 

[KidGamer65]

Just the fact the Kage's could react to Kinshiki, and even hurt him is just too much.

In other words, V2 A would deal real damage on Kinshiki. Same A who couldn't do anything of substance to Madara.

What are you even talking about? In close combat Madara is far below Kinshiki. In overall power Madara is far above Kinshiki. :lol Just stop while you are behind because you sound like you don't even read the Manga.

 

[Hakke]

Okay, the first bold seems wrong.

All statements made by characters do come from the author, but how do you tell that he's trying to convey a message?

Like in Itachi's case for instance. He said only an Uchiha with the same eyes (MS) could break out of Tsukuyomi.

Yet... Yet Sasuke broke out of it without MS.

So the author in that time was supposedly telling us that Sasuke couldn't break out of Tsukuyomi.

But then how did that change?

So you see... Statements aren't to be taken as fact.

KidGamer seems to have that perception. Like all statements from characters renowned for being extremely intelligent (Itachi, Shikamaru, Madara etc.) are to be taken as fact. It just doesn't make sense that way.

They're still not fact at the end of the day, so why should we not have an opinion or use what we already know to discern whether they're true?

Have you ever of retcons? Statements hold weights as long as their nothing that debunk it and what Itachi said was debunked. However there is nothing that debunk Shikamaru's statement. Shikamaru is a character who knows Sakura's and the Five Kage's capabilities. And the author stated through that character that the Kages are the best when it comes to combat ability. So it is a fact until proven otherwise.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Edo Madara would easily blitz 19 yr old Chojuro. Not 34 yr old Mizukage Chojuro. I hope I don't have to explain what can happen to a person's ability in the span of 15 years.

No matter what he did during that 15 years, he still couldn't have attained speed that would match V1 or V2 A.

Thus it's illogical he could even react to Kinshiki.

Kakashi also became a Kage but he'd still get pasted by Edo Madara any day, and Kakashi was way faster than Chojuro the last time I checked.

In other words, Kakashi should be able to react to Kinshiki, and if he can, why can't Sakura or Lee? Lee in fact would more than just react. He'd even land fatal attacks.

Now stop making stupid excuses. Whether or not that was his full speed, Chojuro dodged him. End of story.

If Chojuro could, then so could Hinata.

 

[KidGamer65]

Do yourselves a favor and follow suit.

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[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

What are you even talking about? In close combat Madara is far below Kinshiki. In overall power Madara is far above Kinshiki. :lol Just stop while you are behind because you sound like you don't even read the Manga.

Close combat ability is primarily determined by speed dude.

If you're fast as shit, no one should be able to react to you regardless.

A for instance isn't a CQC specialist, but he still murdered Sasuke, who was immensely skilled in CQC.

Edo Madara is whom I'm talking about here. This is not even Madara with Hashirama's SM who made fodder out of EMS Sasuke.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Have you ever of retcons? Statements hold weights as long as their nothing that debunk it and what Itachi said was debunked. However there is nothing that debunk Shikamaru's statement. Shikamaru is a character who knows Sakura's and the Five Kage's capabilities. And the author stated through that character that the Kages are the best when it comes to combat ability. So it is a fact until proven otherwise.

Dude, at the time, no-one could debunk Itachi's statement and it was even taken as fact, until it was debunked later on by the author himself.

Point is, statements aren't facts. There's tons more examples of statements that turned out to be false, but it's a shame I can't remember all of them.

At the moment, Shikamaru's statement could be taken as true, but who knows later on. It could be debunked just as most statements have been.

Although it holds some weight, because of Shikamaru's status, one can still ponder over it and come up with their assessments. We're not robots, for Christ's sake. One can speculate. It's a natural virtue we've been bestowed with.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Do yourselves a favor and follow suit.

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Not enough time in the day to waste another second arguing with this nincompoop trash poster. Anybody else want to try and argue against canon?

What does that say? I can't read what's in there.

 

[DiamondxDust]

Do yourselves a favor and follow suit.

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Not enough time in the day to waste another second arguing with this nincompoop trash poster. Anybody else want to try and argue against canon?

Wow, you showed him