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Does anybody in NB read/watch Kuroko No Basket? If you do it's amazing because:

1. The power ups: I just love seeing Kuroko's new passes.

2. The characters (Generation of Miracles) - They are all unique and each have their own backstory... O.O

3. Basketball - One of the best game and certainly not the sport only for tall people :rolleyes:

Hopefully, Season 2 comes out soon? :shrug:
 

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Im pretty sure this isn't Naruto.

And wtf is Kuroko no Basket? Never heard of it and will prolly never watch it.
 

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Wrong section :D and nope haven't even heard of it.
 

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Yeah I have seen season 1, I do not like sport anime but Kuroko no Basket is really good! Love Kise and Kagami.
 

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I've seen it, it had potential, but it is terrible. Not because of the shounen abilities that it applies to the characters, no I am all for that, but it doesn't make sense in the realm of basketball and even the rules the manga sets up within its own universe contradicts itself and doesn't make sense. Shall I elaborate with examples?

Kuroko lacks presence, hence "The Phantom Man" and supposedly, in a Man-to-Man defense, his matchup always loses sight of him. That's fine... Until you realize it doesn't make sense. If his match up always loses sight of him, then his match up should view the court as a 4 vs 5 outlet (5 people per team on the court at once... you lose sight of one of your foes, therefore you only see 4 now) and given the circumstance, he should now be double teaming another player (I don't know... maybe the person who always get the ball, like Kagami?). But no, rather than that, this guy just stands around doing nothing, serving no purpose whatsoever on the court...

Vanishing Drive, no matter how you want to explain, it makes absolutely no sense.

Scoreboard, how is it that the author always gets the score/time wrong. On one page the score can be 84 to 85 with a minute in the quarter left. On the very next page the score is 83 to 86 with 30 seconds left... Bear in mind that no scoring or time has surpassed between the two pages, just dialogue on a dead-ball.

Basketball Logic, rules are broken and possessions do not make sense. For example, in the Kaijou vs Touou game, Aomine dribbles the ball to his left hand, fakes a pass, does an inward spin with the ball in his left hand (doesn't make sense, why would he be spinning into the defender), somehow, while he is spinning, the ball appears in his right hand (without any dribbles occurring) and then he crosses back over to his left hand shortly thereafter the rotation is completed, all of this before he dribbles the ball again... Ummm, that's called travel, and when he does dribble again, that is called a double-dribble/carry. Speaking of that game, there's a lot of dumb stuff that occurs, but my favorite is probably at the end where Kise is passing the ball and Aomine knocks it out of bounce. Instead of Kaijou retaining possession, it goes the other way to Touou... Ummmm what?

Trust me, I can go on for days... The author took something that had a lot of potential, and just did a bunch of crap with it because fans only want to view the appealing images and care naught for the faulty logic provided.
 
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I haven't seen Kuroko no Basket but it's been on my PTW list on MAL for a while now.I was thinking of watching it because I heard it was really awesome but since it's a sport anime I put it off to watch some other time.

As for a season 2 here is going to be one but it's air date hasn't been released yet:


Related Anime:

Side Stories:

Kuroko no Basket: Oshaberi Shiyokka:


Kuroko no Basket: Tip Off:
(airs on Feb 22, 2013)

Other Anime:
Kuroko no Basket NG-shuu:
(Which is still airing on Episode 5 out of 9)

Hopefully the links work,if not just PM me and I'll send you the links.If you didn't know about anything written above,glad I could be of help,if you did this was a complete waste of time but ohh well .
 

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I've watched the anime for it, it's a pretty fantastic series in my opinion and I really loved keeping up with it every week. Can't wait for the second season.

I've seen it, it had potential, but it is terrible. Not because of the shounen abilities that it applies to the characters, no I am all for that, but it doesn't make sense in the realm of basketball and even the rules the manga sets up within its own universe contradicts itself and doesn't make sense. Shall I elaborate with examples?

Kuroko lacks presence, hence "The Phantom Man" and supposedly, in a Man-to-Man defense, his matchup always loses sight of him. That's fine... Until you realize it doesn't make sense. If his match up always loses sight of him, then his match up should view the court as a 4 vs 5 outlet (5 people per team on the court at once... you lose sight of one of your foes, therefore you only see 4 now) and given the circumstance, he should now be double teaming another player (I don't know... maybe the person who always get the ball, like Kagami?). But no, rather than that, this guy just stands around doing nothing, serving no purpose whatsoever on the court...

Vanishing Drive, no matter how you want to explain, it makes absolutely no sense.

Scoreboard, how is it that the author always gets the score/time wrong. On one page the score can be 84 to 85 with a minute in the quarter left. On the very next page the score is 83 to 86 with 30 seconds left... Bear in mind that no scoring or time has surpassed between the two pages, just dialogue on a dead-ball.

Basketball Logic, rules are broken and possessions do not make sense. For example, in the Kaijou vs Touou game, Aomine dribbles the ball to his left hand, fakes a pass, does an inward spin with the ball in his left hand (doesn't make sense, why would he be spinning into the defender), somehow, while he is spinning, the ball appears in his right hand (without any dribbles occurring) and then he crosses back over to his left hand shortly thereafter the rotation is completed, all of this before he dribbles the ball again... Ummm, that's called travel, and when he does dribble again, that is called a double-dribble/carry. Speaking of that game, there's a lot of dumb stuff that occurs, but my favorite is probably at the end where Kise is passing the ball and Aomine knocks it out of bounce. Instead of Kaijou retaining possession, it goes the other way to Touou... Ummmm what?

Trust me, I can go on for days... The author took something that had a lot of potential, and just did a bunch of crap with it because fans only want to view the appealing images and care naught for the faulty logic provided.

Not liking it is one thing, but I don't see how it's terrible.

Just about everything you're saying is gripes about it being unrealistic. I hope you realize that nobody goes into Kuroko looking for realism. It's like expecting romance in Death Note. It's like expecting horror in Clannad. It's like expecting action in Steins;Gate. None of those make any sense because it's just stupid. Kuroko was never meant to be realistic, it's over the top and that's why it's so entertaining. I'll be frank, if everything made complete sense and was realistic in Kuroko, it'd be a laggy, overexplained, incredibly boring series and nobody except diehard basketball fans would like it. And just how much of the anime/manga fanbase is diehard basketball fans?

I'm pretty sure that even the author has stated that he doesn't know much of anything about the rules of basketball and that's a big reason why the problems you're talking about are there. But let's be frank, Kuroko was never, ever about being spot on with the basketball. That's not what makes it so good. What makes it good is the development of the characters and the clash of personalities, carried out by the over the top playing and intense matches. It's not about having basketball 100% correct, if it was exactly like that it would be dragged down so much by unnecessary detail that the audience it's meant for would lose their attention span before the game is even over.

Haven't gotten to Vanishing Drive yet though and I can't say anything about the scoreboard, though I don't recall anything like that actually happening from what I have seen.
 

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Not liking it is one thing, but I don't see how it's terrible.

No and clearly you are greatly mistaken. There is a difference between unrealistic and nonsense and the gripe isn't with the former it is with the latter (if you read). Aomine being able to make any shot within the half court without a form is unrealistic; Midorima being able to shoot a full court regular jumpshot (not a toss-up) is unrealistic; Kagami being able to touch near the very top of the backboard with fatigued and aching legs is unrealistic and who cares? This is a shounen, add those elements to add interest to the manga.

However, when you break the rules of basketball and let someone double/carry/travel in the same play, that is nonsense. When you mess up the scoreboard within two pages, that is nonsense. When you have the possession of the ball going to the wrong team for no explained reason, when it is obviously wrong, that is nonsense. There is no excuse whatsoever as to why things like this should be happening --- you don't have to be a die-hard basketball fan to know that you can't take multiple steps without dribbling the basketball (travel), or that if you knock the ball out of bounce, the ball goes back to the other team, not your team, so why are you making excuses for the author? If you're going to give that lame excuse, "I'm pretty sure that even the author has stated that he doesn't know much... about basketball..." without any feasible evidence, then why would he be making a manga oriented around something he doesn't know; obviously that is a discredible excuse, evidently he has a good enough knowledge base on the sport to orient a manga about it. Seriously, you wouldn't even attempt to write me a paper on programming Rigid Body Dynamics if you "don't know much about it" let alone write a whole story about it would you? Didn't think so.

And then you talk about character development? Please point out what "good is the development of the characters and the clash of personalities, carried out by the over the top playing and intense matches" that are evident, because there are none. All you see is:

Guy A goes on a 'unstoppable rampage'
Guy B comes and goes "Oh I know how to stop this" and the logic is always stupid
Guy A comes back "let me do this... " ---'unstoppable again'
Guy B, "let me get another power-up"

The character development is non-existent and terrible. Prime example: Aomine is the "bad-ass" and his philosophy is that the only one who can beat him in basketball is himself (keep that in mind it is important). He plays against Kise, who not only becomes Aomine by copying his play-style perfectly and becoming the monster that he is, but Kise also trusts in his teammates which is the reason Kise loses. Seirin later comes, a team that still isn't up to par with Kaijou and their ace Kagami still cannot hold a candle to Kise (even with the BS power-ups) and they beat Touou because the concept of team ball? What? Not only that, but now all of a sudden Aomine has a change of heart? Why? He still proved his point, the only one that can beat him is himself, Touou's loss was due to his team's short-comings, not his.

Aomine has a play-style that he believed solely to be unique to him; the greatest play-style ever which is why no one can beat him but himself. If anything, someone who perfectly copies your game and simulates it just as well in a matter of minutes should be more of a reason for the "Change of Heart" magic card than losing one game because your team couldn't pull their weight.

Midorima, supposed to be a genius, but he doesn't know how to pump-fake? Right...

Oh and while we are on that Shutoku game, let's talk about the logic. They put dude with the Hawk-Eye on Kuroko so unlike everyone else, he'll never lose sight of Kuroko. Okay. Now all of a sudden he loses sight of Kuroko towards the end of the game and can no longer track him, why? Let's see the logic that we're given:

"Oh you can no longer track/see me because I wanted to draw attention to myself which inadvertently misdirects the attention from me making me once again invisible"

...Okay, if that makes sense to you, then that'd inform me that conversing with you is less than a wasted effort.

Haven't gotten to Vanishing Drive yet though and I can't say anything about the scoreboard, though I don't recall anything like that actually happening from what I have seen.

Then you've proven my point that fans are too busy paying attention to the visuals to even acknowledge the actual story and its illogical cohesion.
 
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I want to watch it but but I can’t everytime I watch it I remember slamdunk and than go watch slamdunk again lol
but I know its great since its sport I loved sport animes after slamdunk :T_T:
 

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No and clearly you are greatly mistaken. There is a difference between unrealistic and nonsense and the gripe isn't with the former it is with the latter (if you read). Aomine being able to make any shot within the half court without a form is unrealistic; Midorima being able to shoot a full court regular jumpshot (not a toss-up) is unrealistic; Kagami being able to touch near the very top of the backboard with fatigued and aching legs is unrealistic and who cares? This is a shounen, add those elements to add interest to the manga.

However, when you break the rules of basketball and let someone double/carry/travel in the same play, that is nonsense. When you mess up the scoreboard within two pages, that is nonsense. When you have the possession of the ball going to the wrong team for no explained reason, when it is obviously wrong, that is nonsense. There is no excuse whatsoever as to why things like this should be happening --- you don't have to be a die-hard basketball fan to know that you can't take multiple steps without dribbling the basketball (travel), or that if you knock the ball out of bounce, the ball goes back to the other team, not your team, so why are you making excuses for the author? If you're going to give that lame excuse, "I'm pretty sure that even the author has stated that he doesn't know much... about basketball..." without any feasible evidence, then why would he be making a manga oriented around something he doesn't know; obviously that is a discredible excuse, evidently he has a good enough knowledge base on the sport to orient a manga about it. Seriously, you wouldn't even attempt to write me a paper on programming Rigid Body Dynamics if you "don't know much about it" let alone write a whole story about it would you? Didn't think so.

And then you talk about character development? Please point out what "good is the development of the characters and the clash of personalities, carried out by the over the top playing and intense matches" that are evident, because there are none. All you see is:

Guy A goes on a 'unstoppable rampage'
Guy B comes and goes "Oh I know how to stop this" and the logic is always stupid
Guy A comes back "let me do this... " ---'unstoppable again'
Guy B, "let me get another power-up"

The character development is non-existent and terrible. Prime example: Aomine is the "bad-ass" and his philosophy is that the only one who can beat him in basketball is himself (keep that in mind it is important). He plays against Kise, who not only becomes Aomine by copying his play-style perfectly and becoming the monster that he is, but Kise also trusts in his teammates which is the reason Kise loses. Seirin later comes, a team that still isn't up to par with Kaijou and their ace Kagami still cannot hold a candle to Kise (even with the BS power-ups) and they beat Touou because the concept of team ball? What? Not only that, but now all of a sudden Aomine has a change of heart? Why? He still proved his point, the only one that can beat him is himself, Touou's loss was due to his team's short-comings, not his.

Aomine has a play-style that he believed solely to be unique to him; the greatest play-style ever which is why no one can beat him but himself. If anything, someone who perfectly copies your game and simulates it just as well in a matter of minutes should be more of a reason for the "Change of Heart" magic card than losing one game because your team couldn't pull their weight.

Midorima, supposed to be a genius, but he doesn't know how to pump-fake? Right...

Oh and while we are on that Shutoku game, let's talk about the logic. They put dude with the Hawk-Eye on Kuroko so unlike everyone else, he'll never lose sight of Kuroko. Okay. Now all of a sudden he loses sight of Kuroko towards the end of the game and can no longer track him, why? Let's see the logic that we're given:

"Oh you can no longer track/see me because I wanted to draw attention to myself which inadvertently misdirects the attention from me making me once again invisible"

...Okay, if that makes sense to you, then that'd inform me that conversing with you is less than a wasted effort.



Then you've proven my point that fans are too busy paying attention to the visuals to even acknowledge the actual story and its illogical cohesion.

Except for the part where the basketball games themselves are more a plot-device medium than anything else. To be honest I don't even remember any of those things you listed, so some proof would be nice for starters. But even then, it's obvious as hell that KnB is simply using the basketball as a convenient way of carrying out the clashes between the characters. While you make a valid point that a person should know about the medium they use for storytelling, you seem to be forgetting the audience for the series. We've both already established that it's a Shounen, obviously enough with the abilities and whatnot that are used. Are Japanese kids honestly going to be focused on the details of the game when the obvious highlights are the over-the-top, exaggerated nature of the play? Furthermore, it's basketball of all things, if it's an exaggerated Shounen then you don't NEED to know every detail about the game. Obviously I wouldn't write a story about rugby because I know absolutely nothing about it. But basketball is different, it's one of those mainstream sports that people see all over the place and it's easily recognizable. It's not about getting the details right, the fact is that basketball's concept in itself is so easy to utilize that it doesn't matter whether or not all of the little things are perfect. Again, KnB is no more about the basketball than it is about the different personalities competing with each other in an extreme way to make for entertainment.

Nonexistent? Character development is practically what carries this series. The comparison between Kagami and Aomine, the shifting in the way of the players' thinking after gaining a selfish desire to play their own basketball instead of relying on their comrades, the varied personalities among the Generation of Miracles, etc. You'd have to be blind to say that character development is nonexistent. Without the characters themselves there wouldn't be a single reason to even bother watching this anime to begin with. I for one thought it was interesting how Kuroko sought to prevent the mistakes with Aomine from happening again with Kagami and how he works to keep the team united instead of letting them drift off on their own solo tangents the way his old team did. I for one see it as interesting how Aomine is one possibility for how Kagami COULD turn out in the future, if he were to end up following the same path. Obviously he won't because of the theme of the series and all, but the contrast is still something worth thinking about. Themewise it's all very Shounen, but hey, what can you expect? That's what this series is.

There are obviously some very convenient plot devices, but that's characteristic of every Shounen out there. KnB doesn't do it any worse than any other Shounen would, and if anything it doesn't feel like such an asspull because the play is already insane to begin with.

Can't comment on Aomine there because I haven't gotten that far into the series, the anime stopped earlier. And now I've been completely spoiled for what lies ahead.......fan freaking tastic.

If you actually pay attention it's really not that difficult a concept to understand. In short, Kuroko screwed with Takao's focus by alternating his misdirection. By doing that, he was effectively able to keep him from properly viewing the whole range of the field, and all Kuroko has to do is alternate that to keep Takao from effectively tracking him.
 

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While you make a valid point that a person should know about the medium they use for storytelling, you seem to be forgetting the audience for the series. We've both already established that it's a Shounen, obviously enough with the abilities and whatnot that are used.

How am I forgetting the audience? Obviously the audience are primarily people who have some kind of interest in basketball, as that is the selling theme. If you inform one of something they haven't read/seen, most of the time, their first question should be, "what's it about?" and depending on the explanation and whether or not their interests are piqued, they'll view for themselves. Clearly in the title, you see, "Kuroko no Basket", obviously it is about basketball, obviously if you pick it up, primarily it is because you have an interest in basketball.

But basketball is different, it's one of those mainstream sports that people see all over the place and it's easily recognizable. It's not about getting the details right, the fact is that basketball's concept in itself is so easy to utilize that it doesn't matter whether or not all of the little things are perfect. Again, KnB is no more about the basketball than it is about the different personalities competing with each other in an extreme way to make for entertainment.

But that is the point. Basketball is easily recognized, and it doesn't take a guru to realize, "Oh hey! that's not something you can do in basketball". No one is talking about "perfection" and these aren't minor details; they're obvious "No No's". You're trying to make it seem as if this is okay, because it's not "really about basketball" and that's ludicrous.

Furthermore, it's basketball of all things, if it's an exaggerated Shounen then you don't NEED to know every detail about the game.

But no one is talking about every detail or even complex details, these are the very first fundamental principles one learns when he is initially introduced to the sport.

Are Japanese kids honestly going to be focused on the details of the game when the obvious highlights are the over-the-top, exaggerated nature of the play?

Why are you stating this as if I did some complex soul-searching to find these errors. They were so blatantly obvious that anyone who pays attention to the story-line and events occurring rather than "ZOMG supa kewl grafics" would realize these, it doesn't take a quantum physicist to do so.

The comparison between Kagami and Aomine

Which is very terrible development. At no point is Kagami even shown to be a good player. He cannot dribble with his opposite hand and he barely boasts any decent dribbling prowess with his dominant hand. He has no shooting ability whatsoever, and at the end of the day, all he can do is dunk (which even Midorima states, and proves to him at the beach, stopping him successfully everytime). So how is it even possible for him to be compared to someone like Aomine? But it gets even worse because they decide to transform Kagami in the middle of the game, from Scrubami to someone on Aomine's tier level in a matter of a couple of minutes... Just that easily.... right... Good development there...

the shifting in the way of the players' thinking after gaining a selfish desire to play their own basketball instead of relying on their comrades

Which is also terrible. Kise loses a practice match and all of a sudden that induces the "Change of Heart" magic card? I repeat, a practice match, lolwut? Midorima doesn't really change, he just doesn't want to lose again; he comes up with a plan of beating Seirin that was really a face-palm. But the funny part is the way it was acted out was made to look as if it was Albert Einstein splitting the atom all over again. Already explained Aomine.

the varied personalities among the Generation of Miracles, etc.

Lolwut? Varied? They are all the same (excluding Kuroko). "*sigh* I am better than you... it's too easy... I'm not sure if I even love basketball... blah blah" Kise is the only one who is somewhat different, but not by much, as he wasn't naturally on the rest's tier levels and his motivation for playing basketball was Aomine, so therefore he never reached that level of satiation as did the rest of the crew.

I for one thought it was interesting how Kuroko sought to prevent the mistakes with Aomine from happening again with Kagami and how he works to keep the team united instead of letting them drift off on their own solo tangents the way his old team did.

You seriously found that interesting? That's what happens in sports, you lose and then you figure out what you can do to better prepare yourself for next time... Seriously, are you unknown to the sports world? And Kuroko nor Kagami is keeping the team united. The reason why Kuroko's old team drifted onto their own solo tangents is because they each individually were at the apex of their class, no one could beat them, such is not the case with Seirin: they weren't really a contending team prior to Kagami and Kuroko, now they are, motivation enough to gauge a successful season.

I for one see it as interesting how Aomine is one possibility for how Kagami COULD turn out in the future, if he were to end up following the same path. Obviously he won't because of the theme of the series and all, but the contrast is still something worth thinking about.

Except that Aomine isn't and it is terrible that the author draws this comparison. The closest person to Aomine is Kise, and at this point, it is arguable that Kise has surpassed Aomine. Kagami's game overall is terrible, not even anywhere near Kise before he copied Aomine's game, so there is no reason why he should even think about developing an arrogant attitude towards the game. But despite all of the Generation of Miracles being better than Kagami, during game-time at the most convenient of moments, the author forces us to accept that Kagami is all of a sudden on par, if not better, than his current match-up. Terrible.

Can't comment on Aomine there because I haven't gotten that far into the series, the anime stopped earlier. And now I've been completely spoiled for what lies ahead.......fan freaking tastic.

So it wasn't foreseen that Seirin would have a rematch with Touou and win? Seriously... This manga is nothing short of predictable, and I'm not even certain that the anime would even last that long to their rematch. A bunch of moving still pictures... come on now, it is literally exactly like the manga with very few actual animation going on, therefore it is no need for an anime (but alas, that is business).

And the question now becomes then, why are you asking for proof if you don't want spoilers?

If you actually pay attention it's really not that difficult a concept to understand. In short, Kuroko screwed with Takao's focus by alternating his misdirection. By doing that, he was effectively able to keep him from properly viewing the whole range of the field, and all Kuroko has to do is alternate that to keep Takao from effectively tracking him.

...wut? So let me get this straight. Takao can see the entire court, with absolute precision, which is why it isn't a problem for him to track Kuroko; Kuroko "alternates his misdirection" as you put (I'm not sure how that statement alone makes sense to you) and despite Takao retaining the same superb vision he had all throughout the match, despite being able to still view the entire court with the aforementioned acuity, he can no longer see his foe? Right...

If I am looking straight ahead and directly within my line of sight is a flat-screen TV and a Victoria Secret model; should I decided to focus intently on the model, the TV just doesn't disappear altogether, I still register it being there because it is still within my field of vision. The whole court is Takao's field of vision, Kuroko is on the court, how does he avoid Takao's scrunity? Inb4 "u jus dont understand" or "dis is a shounen dat can happen" - no it's not okay for a character's abilities to be severely watered down within a couple pages, with no feasible or logical explanation just for the sake of plot.

Well, I clearly see where this is going. You think that just because this is a Shounen, that that is a reasonable excuse to make silly mistakes in regards to the rules that the manga itself sets up and the rules of the game in which it is oriented around. I would go more into detail, but you would like to do without spoilers and not to mention, you'd just defend the incident with, "this is a shounen! omg! everything doesn't have to be perfect!". So you may say your saving grace and that'd be the last of things.
 
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How am I forgetting the audience? Obviously the audience are primarily people who have some kind of interest in basketball, as that is the selling theme. If you inform one of something they haven't read/seen, most of the time, their first question should be, "what's it about?" and depending on the explanation and whether or not their interests are piqued, they'll view for themselves. Clearly in the title, you see, "Kuroko no Basket", obviously it is about basketball, obviously if you pick it up, primarily it is because you have an interest in basketball.



But that is the point. Basketball is easily recognized, and it doesn't take a guru to realize, "Oh hey! that's not something you can do in basketball". No one is talking about "perfection" and these aren't minor details; they're obvious "No No's". You're trying to make it seem as if this is okay, because it's not "really about basketball" and that's ludicrous.



But no one is talking about every detail or even complex details, these are the very first fundamental principles one learns when he is initially introduced to the sport.



Why are you stating this as if I did some complex soul-searching to find these errors. They were so blatantly obvious that anyone who pays attention to the story-line and events occurring rather than "ZOMG supa kewl grafics" would realize these, it doesn't take a quantum physicist to do so.



Which is very terrible development. At no point is Kagami even shown to be a good player. He cannot dribble with his opposite hand and he barely boasts any decent dribbling prowess with his dominant hand. He has no shooting ability whatsoever, and at the end of the day, all he can do is dunk (which even Midorima states, and proves to him at the beach, stopping him successfully everytime). So how is it even possible for him to be compared to someone like Aomine? But it gets even worse because they decide to transform Kagami in the middle of the game, from Scrubami to someone on Aomine's tier level in a matter of a couple of minutes... Just that easily.... right... Good development there...



Which is also terrible. Kise loses a practice match and all of a sudden that induces the "Change of Heart" magic card? I repeat, a practice match, lolwut? Midorima doesn't really change, he just doesn't want to lose again; he comes up with a plan of beating Seirin that was really a face-palm. But the funny part is the way it was acted out was made to look as if it was Albert Einstein splitting the atom all over again. Already explained Aomine.



Lolwut? Varied? They are all the same (excluding Kuroko). "*sigh* I am better than you... it's too easy... I'm not sure if I even love basketball... blah blah" Kise is the only one who is somewhat different, but not by much, as he wasn't naturally on the rest's tier levels and his motivation for playing basketball was Aomine, so therefore he never reached that level of satiation as did the rest of the crew.



You seriously found that interesting? That's what happens in sports, you lose and then you figure out what you can do to better prepare yourself for next time... Seriously, are you unknown to the sports world? And Kuroko nor Kagami is keeping the team united. The reason why Kuroko's old team drifted onto their own solo tangents is because they each individually were at the apex of their class, no one could beat them, such is not the case with Seirin: they weren't really a contending team prior to Kagami and Kuroko, now they are, motivation enough to gauge a successful season.



Except that Aomine isn't and it is terrible that the author draws this comparison. The closest person to Aomine is Kise, and at this point, it is arguable that Kise has surpassed Aomine. Kagami's game overall is terrible, not even anywhere near Kise before he copied Aomine's game, so there is no reason why he should even think about developing an arrogant attitude towards the game. But despite all of the Generation of Miracles being better than Kagami, during game-time at the most convenient of moments, the author forces us to accept that Kagami is all of a sudden on par, if not better, than his current match-up. Terrible.



So it wasn't foreseen that Seirin would have a rematch with Touou and win? Seriously... This manga is nothing short of predictable, and I'm not even certain that the anime would even last that long to their rematch. A bunch of moving still pictures... come on now, it is literally exactly like the manga with very few actual animation going on, therefore it is no need for an anime (but alas, that is business).

And the question now becomes then, why are you asking for proof if you don't want spoilers?



...wut? So let me get this straight. Takao can see the entire court, with absolute precision, which is why it isn't a problem for him to track Kuroko; Kuroko "alternates his misdirection" as you put (I'm not sure how that statement alone makes sense to you) and despite Takao retaining the same superb vision he had all throughout the match, despite being able to still view the entire court with the aforementioned acuity, he can no longer see his foe? Right...

If I am looking straight ahead and directly within my line of sight is a flat-screen TV and a Victoria Secret model; should I decided to focus intently on the model, the TV just doesn't disappear altogether, I still register it being there because it is still within my field of vision. The whole court is Takao's field of vision, Kuroko is on the court, how does he avoid Takao's scrunity? Inb4 "u jus dont understand" or "dis is a shounen dat can happen" - no it's not okay for a character's abilities to be severely watered down within a couple pages, with no feasible or logical explanation just for the sake of plot.

Well, I clearly see where this is going. You think that just because this is a Shounen, that that is a reasonable excuse to make silly mistakes in regards to the rules that the manga itself sets up and the rules of the game in which it is oriented around. I would go more into detail, but you would like to do without spoilers and not to mention, you'd just defend the incident with, "this is a shounen! omg! everything doesn't have to be perfect!". So you may say your saving grace and that'd be the last of things.

Kuroko no Basket is a Weekly Shounen Jump series, that alone makes its audience pretty clear. Obviously fans of basketball will be interested in it, but if you look at the style and who it's aimed for, hell if you see any of it at all it's clear that it's an incredibly Shounenized form of basketball as opposed to being something like Slam Dunk which is obviously a lot more realistic. Kuroko never aimed for basic, realistic basketball to begin with.

You seem to get this notion that Kuroko has to follow the straight-up, realistic rules of basketball to be valid, except for the part where that's not the series it was designed to be. You're criticizing the wrong things, you're calling Kuroko no Basket bad because it's doing what it's aimed to do from the get-go and that's nonsense. It's like saying Death Note is bad because it focuses too much on the psychological battles. It's like saying Gurren Lagann is bad because it's too much mecha action. It's like saying that Toradora is bad because it's only about romance and comedy. Those are stupid arguments because those shows were designed to be the way they were and execute it properly. For starters, sports anime/manga rarely focus on all the rules and details of the game as they're more fixated on establishing the story than anything else. It's even more ludicrous to label this as a problem with Kuroko, which was very obviously designed to be a Shounen action-ized take on basketball more than anything else. If you're looking for realism and following every little rule with real world basketball, then why even look to Kuroko for that in the first place? You're barking up the wrong tree and it's utterly pointless.

Not shown as a good player? From the get-go Kuroko established that Kagami has high stats. Sure he's not a perfect player, and in a one-on-one bout with most of the Generation of Miracles players he won't win, but poor player? Obviously he's no Aomine, he doesn't have the insane balance and skill in every area, but for his style of play it's easily sufficient. His speed and reflexes are good enough for him to keep up with the other skilled players, and even though he heavily relies on dunks for his performance that's his style and it doesn't make him a "bad player." Midorima is pretty dependent on his long range shots above everything else when it comes to offense and he's still a competent player. And when it comes to competing with Aomine, it's all about Kagami's tenacity and determination. The key difference between the two is that Aomine is aloof and uncaring about the play, while Kagami pushes himself beyond his limits and goes as far as possible to fend him off, and only then does Aomine really start to get serious. In the end Aomine is still a superior player but that doesn't suddenly make Kagami competing with him some sort of nonsensical asspull like you claim.

A practice match yes, but the fact remains that it was because of the people involved that it struck Kise. Kuroko's presence and the way he tried to convince Kise is the primary reason for it happening. It didn't hit him as hard as the Kaijo vs Touou match because it was just practice, but the fact that he lost out to Kuroko and Kagami would definitely get him thinking. Especially in a Shounen series.

All the same? Well I can't say anything about the last two Generation of Miracles players because the anime didn't get to them, but as far as I can tell the three that were first revealed aren't "the same." They go down similar paths because of the way they view basketball from the old team days, but they're by no means identical. Kise is different as you said for obvious reasons. Midorima was just arrogant from the get-go, he was always that way and it carries through even past his loss. Aomine went through a lot of development on the other hand, having gone from loving basketball more than any other to becoming so uncaring about it that it bored him to extremes. That's the key difference there, even Kise and Midorima never went that far so it's an exaggeration to claim they're "all the same." In any case, this is proof that your claim of character development being "nonexistent" is utter bull and invalid.

It's not about the winning and losing, it's about how the story tries to give significant contrast between the old Generation of Miracles team and Seirin. It is true that they were in vastly different situations because of the vast skill level Kuroko's old team had, but that still doesn't change the overall theme. Obviously it's not just Kuroko and Kagami carrying the entire team here, but that just serves to enforce it more. All of them have to look out for each other and make sure not to fall onto the path of arrogance and isolation. More than anything that's a problem for Kagami than any other Seirin member, but it's still something that's very much there.

Except Kagami is still developing as a character and a player, he's not yet at their level but he's definitely growing and as he gets better and better the issue of arrogance will become a bigger problem. He hasn't gotten to the point where this would be something major, but with more time in the series it could very well be an idea presented. And you're making it sound as if Kagami suddenly gets the ability to solo the opposing team through plot power, when it's very obvious that the other members of the team very much complement his play on top of his burning determination to win. It's not as if Kagami suddenly gets Aomine hax and gets an insta-win because that's just stupid.

Obviously it would happen eventually but ruining the anticipation of the match and how it plays out doesn't do me any good. And more importantly, if Kuroko as a whole is so awful then you should easily be able to give me examples from early on that prove your case. If the manga gets terrible later on then it is what it is, but I've only watched the anime and from what I've seen there it's fantastic. Who knows, maybe later it does get awful and you're right. But as an anime-only watcher at this time, Kuroko's doing exactly what it aims to do and is doing it quite well in my eyes.

If you paid attention at all the concept is very simple. Yes Takao can see the entire court.......at first. But if Kuroko uses his misdirection toward himself, Takao fixates directly on Kuroko, which narrows his range of vision as well as distracting him. From there it's easy for Kuroko to slip past Takao's now limited range to play effectively. The key difference is that unlike some random inanimate object, Kuroko has the innate ability to forcibly draw that attention and viewing directly toward (or away from) himself, and the series clearly explains that ability. The fact that something this basic is incomprehensible to you makes your points seem a lot less viable.

The problem here is that all of your gripes with the series are complaining about things you don't like. How you think it's too unrealistic to be enjoyable, how you don't like the characters and how they develop, how you must be 100% right when everything that you're giving here is your opinion. If you just don't like the series then that's one thing, and I can't change it because everybody has their own opinions. But all you're doing is labeling the series as a poor, terrible anime/manga by virtue of the fact that you have personal problems and dislike the style, all the while ignoring that it's doing exactly what it intends to and sticking to that just fine. The problem is that you seem to get this notion that your opinion is fact and that anybody is wrong because they happen to disagree with you. If you were saying that you don't like the series because of these things, then it is what it is. But the fact that you're obnoxiously declaring that Kuroko HAS to be an awful series because of the reasons you give, when it's obvious why the series even bothers to do this, makes it a lot harder to respect your side of the argument. It's always annoying when someone thinks that they are always completely in the right, 100% and cannot possibly be wrong in any fashion and that having an opinion about something makes it a complete fact and that anybody who disagrees is automatically an idiot for not sharing that opinion.
 

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Omg haters gon hate. Lol
Meh I haven't watched it but it's currently on my reading list, I'm around 2/3 of the way through. First totally sports centered manga I've read. Pretty good so far. :3
 

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I've seen it, it had potential, but it is terrible. Not because of the shounen abilities that it applies to the characters, no I am all for that, but it doesn't make sense in the realm of basketball and even the rules the manga sets up within its own universe contradicts itself and doesn't make sense. Shall I elaborate with examples?

Kuroko lacks presence, hence "The Phantom Man" and supposedly, in a Man-to-Man defense, his matchup always loses sight of him. That's fine... Until you realize it doesn't make sense. If his match up always loses sight of him, then his match up should view the court as a 4 vs 5 outlet (5 people per team on the court at once... you lose sight of one of your foes, therefore you only see 4 now) and given the circumstance, he should now be double teaming another player (I don't know... maybe the person who always get the ball, like Kagami?). But no, rather than that, this guy just stands around doing nothing, serving no purpose whatsoever on the court...

Vanishing Drive, no matter how you want to explain, it makes absolutely no sense.

Scoreboard, how is it that the author always gets the score/time wrong. On one page the score can be 84 to 85 with a minute in the quarter left. On the very next page the score is 83 to 86 with 30 seconds left... Bear in mind that no scoring or time has surpassed between the two pages, just dialogue on a dead-ball.

Basketball Logic, rules are broken and possessions do not make sense. For example, in the Kaijou vs Touou game, Aomine dribbles the ball to his left hand, fakes a pass, does an inward spin with the ball in his left hand (doesn't make sense, why would he be spinning into the defender), somehow, while he is spinning, the ball appears in his right hand (without any dribbles occurring) and then he crosses back over to his left hand shortly thereafter the rotation is completed, all of this before he dribbles the ball again... Ummm, that's called travel, and when he does dribble again, that is called a double-dribble/carry. Speaking of that game, there's a lot of dumb stuff that occurs, but my favorite is probably at the end where Kise is passing the ball and Aomine knocks it out of bounce. Instead of Kaijou retaining possession, it goes the other way to Touou... Ummmm what?

Trust me, I can go on for days... The author took something that had a lot of potential, and just did a bunch of crap with it because fans only want to view the appealing images and care naught for the faulty logic provided.

well..
you want to know something even unrealistic??
how can aomine actually enter the so called ZONE?
what is that in the first place?
and kagami also enter the ZONE to kick aomine's ass?
i've proof you something good right??
but as the thread starter says.
kuroko no basket aka kuroko no basuke doesn't have to be realistic.
and these are more proof.
how can kise copy all of the generation of miracles's special move just by seeing it once?
how can akashi ( the captain of generation of miracle ) have that eyes? can see future? oh man. but even so. i still love to watch and read it. you know why? because I LOVE IT I LOVE BASKETBALL
in the generation of miracle.
the most normal member is that shooter. midorima. his shoot is the only thing normal from all GOM member..it's no wonder if he really can shot from court to court. every NBA player has done so a lot of times.
even murasakibara isn't normal if you think carefully.
all of them. kuroko aomine kise akashi and murasakibara has a lot of things to make us surprised.
if you can't afford to watch it and only wants to make fun or judge it. you shouldn't watch or read it. you're insulting someone's work. if you can't love it. then the author fail to make you feel his work are great. but you just don't have to pressure things like that. now if someone ask you to make something like manga. can you do it? can you make people feel you're amazing?
this manga doesn't need to be realistic in the beginning. if you want to make something real when it doesn't even exist. why don't you make naruto more realistic yourself instead of reading the manga everyweek? it's just to entertain us. the audience/reader. if you can't love it. leave it be. don't press someone's work and opinion like you mentioned above.

and if you're talking about realistic.
then naruto also doesn't real, does it? i ask you. how can you make chakra? how can you make yourself standing on top of the water? how can you make clones? is it real? even genjutsu aren't real.
and even taijutsu too. how can you run as fast as lee? how can you push up with only one finger like kakashi while tazuna sitting on his back? does it real? NO.
so bear with it bro.
 
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