Kumogakure vs Pein v2

[pateuvasiliu]

Jiraiya blitzed Preta, too.

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Preta couldn't move an inch.

 

[Zexion~]

Jiraiya blitzed Preta, too.

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Preta couldn't move an inch.

Links do not work, so if you could just give me the chapter and page number ..

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Took out Jiraiya?

Pain never -HIT- Jiraiya before Asura snuck up behind him and sucker punched him.

As far as I'm concerned Jiraiya beat them low-mid diff, he was not injured in the slightest.



What are you on about, broski?

Not only is KCM Naruto not a sensor in that situation ( he can only feel bad emotions ), but Nagato used Bansho Ten'in there.

Also Bee was not in BM and that's Nagato, not Pain, whom has superior Rinnegan abilities.



Implying Preta can even catch Ay when SM Jiraiya who is behind Ay in speed blitzed pain twice.

Ay would simply take out the other Paths and then deal with Preta in taijutsu.

This is a stomp.

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Even without preta path,

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is enough to stop gyuuki. If that was just one of naruto's rasengan variants, imagine how much it would have multiplied if it got TBB'd.

Even before Chou Shinra Tensei to solo the village,

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with Human Path, which is way faster than A.

This is a low diff stomp.

Preta, Asura, and Animal Path are all that's needed for bee. If he doesn't open with gyuuki right away, deva path for overkill along with Human Path. Preta absorbs infinitely, no matter what the proportion. Databook fact, non disputable. TBB fails here. Even if gyuuki was the slightest problem for the peins, Chibaku Tensei will solo. Don't tell me Continous TBB to counter it either, Itachi said to them "Use your strongest long range attack!" And he used TBB.

As for A, he falls down to a quick Bansho Ten'in and Human/Naraka Path, OR his lightning armor get's preta path'd. If he uses his speed consistently to stay away and protect the village, this can end in either a Chou Shinra Tensei, or Chibaku Tensei. Kumogakure get's low-diff flattened.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Took out Jiraiya?

Pain never -HIT- Jiraiya before Asura snuck up behind him and sucker punched him.

As far as I'm concerned Jiraiya beat them low-mid diff, he was not injured in the slightest.



What are you on about, broski?

Not only is KCM Naruto not a sensor in that situation ( he can only feel bad emotions ), but Nagato used Bansho Ten'in there.

Also Bee was not in BM and that's Nagato, not Pain, whom has superior Rinnegan abilities.



Implying Preta can even catch Ay when SM Jiraiya who is behind Ay in speed blitzed pain twice.

Ay would simply take out the other Paths and then deal with Preta in taijutsu.

Center left panel show's an invisible snake tongue rapped around naruto
>PAin used bansho

Ay and bee aren't sensors. They get caught and killed.
:|

 

[iiDarui]

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Preta, Asura, and Animal Path are all that's needed for bee. If he doesn't open with gyuuki right away, deva path for overkill along with Human Path. Preta absorbs infinitely, no matter what the proportion. Databook fact, non disputable. TBB fails here. Even if gyuuki was the slightest problem for the peins, Chibaku Tensei will solo. Don't tell me Continous TBB to counter it either, Itachi said to them "Use your strongest long range attack!" And he used TBB.

As for A, he falls down to a quick Bansho Ten'in and Human/Naraka Path, OR his lightning armor get's preta path'd. If he uses his speed consistently to stay away and protect the village, this can end in either a Chou Shinra Tensei, or Chibaku Tensei. Kumogakure get's low-diff flattened.

Ei is strong enough to withstand Bansho Ten'in. And Gakido needs to make contact with Ei to absorb his chakra. Please show the databook fact saying it can infinitely absorb please.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

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Ei is strong enough to withstand Bansho Ten'in. And Gakido needs to make contact with Ei to absorb his chakra. Please show the databook fact saying it can infinitely absorb please.

You can't "withstand" Bansho Ten'in. He is still a human, it is gravity based.

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Endless whirlpool that sucks away EVERY jutsu, no matter what the proportion. Bee isn't doing anything.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Databook fact, non disputable.

Totally disputable unless you'd like to say shit like

'' Kakashi's Raikiri cuts through Shinsusenju, Perfect Susanoo and Yata Mirror ''

'' Yata Mirror can block Juubidama and can modify its properties to counter FTG ''

Those 2 examples are what happens when you take the databook -waaaay- too literally.

Preta isn't blocking multiple TBBs and Pain isn't beating Ay without Deva when Naruto solo'd him.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Totally disputable unless you'd like to say shit like

'' Kakashi's Raikiri cuts through Shinsusenju, Perfect Susanoo and Yata Mirror ''

'' Yata Mirror can block Juubidama and can modify its properties to counter FTG ''

Those 2 examples are what happens when you take the databook -waaaay- too literally.

Preta isn't blocking multiple TBBs and Pain isn't beating Ay without Deva when Naruto solo'd him.

Raikiri can cut shunshi, but what's the point of that? He's make an arms length hole on it's toe. Perfect susano'o is debateable but again, his arm isn't infinitely long, it can only go that far. It can't cut through yata because yata reflects attacks; it can cut what it hits but if it doesn't hit yata there's nothing to cut.

Yata blocks bijuudama.
Yata can't counter ftg because ftg isn't an attack.

That should be about it.



Apparently sage beat a complete juubi, therefore he must have had some way of surviving it's nation destroying tbb's. Most likely he preta'd juubi's tbb's.

But, then again, everything i've just said sounds crazy even to me.

 

[iiDarui]

Totally disputable unless you'd like to say shit like

'' Kakashi's Raikiri cuts through Shinsusenju, Perfect Susanoo and Yata Mirror ''

'' Yata Mirror can block Juubidama and can modify its properties to counter FTG ''

Those 2 examples are what happens when you take the databook -waaaay- too literally.

Preta isn't blocking multiple TBBs and Pain isn't beating Ay without Deva when Naruto solo'd him.

Friggin thank you. XD databook junkies

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

There is no such thing as a "databook junkie". If the databook states it, it is true and not disputable whatsoever. Trying to dispute it is simply fanboyism and or hating, or just retardation. Raikiri was stated to cut anything, yes, but since yata mirror can block anything, can it then? The answer is no. The yata mirror part is a little extreme to the part of where people think it can block shinsuusenju and juubi attacks, but you must realize that the yata mirror and Totsuka are spirit weapons, which he incorporated with his already strong susano'o defense. Whatever the databook states is true, even if people take it way too seriously at times. People just get angry because once a databook page comes up, they have no argument, no matter how good of a debater they are.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

..Not necessarily true as it was shown to absorb all of naruto's SM chakra in seconds without any sign of his absorbing being halted, Not to mention Nagato's an uzumaki so the amount of chakra he can "put out" is considerably high

False. Being an Uzumaki gives him high reserves of stamina. The amount of Stamina one posseses does not dicatate how much they can Knead/Release. Its something that must be trained. It just happens that most Ninja that have high reserves of stamina have a large Knead/Release capacity to accomadate it.

Also, That sum of chakra is chump change compared to Bijudama. This whole argument of it bypassing Nagato's capacity is very subjective in who it applies to anyway. The only ones that have a higher Knead/Release capacity than Nagato are Biju and the only tech that utilizes this loophole is Bijudama and its variants. No other attack in the series in my mind can overcome Nagato's Knead/Release capacity for Fūjutsu Kyūin, with the exception of maybe Shinsuusenju. Even then, its a Senpo. So it doesn't really need to overcome the Knead/Release anyway.

 

[Tartarus]

Ay and Bee are enough to beat beat Pein, add Darui and this is a definite win for Kumogakure.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

If the databook states it, it is true and not disputable whatsoever.

Databook states Sasuke has godlike speed.

Do you believe that?

 

[Zexion~]

False. Being an Uzumaki gives him high reserves of stamina. The amount of Stamina one posseses does not dicatate how much they can Knead/Release. Its something that must be trained. It just happens that most Ninja that have high reserves of stamina have a large Knead/Release capacity to accomadate it.

Also, That sum of chakra is chump change compared to Bijudama. This whole argument of it bypassing Nagato's capacity is very subjective in who it applies to anyway. The only ones that have a higher Knead/Release capacity than Nagato are Biju and the only tech that utilizes this loophole is Bijudama and its variants. No other attack in the series in my mind can overcome Nagato's Knead/Release capacity for Fūjutsu Kyūin, with the exception of maybe Shinsuusenju. Even then, its a Senpo. So it doesn't really need to overcome the Knead/Release anyway.

Ok but that still does not change the fact that he was able to, infiltrate a vilalge using multipl abilities to do so, destroy it with a CST, then continue to use more chakra to fight Naruto, then use CT and still was able to use ST numerous times,

Whether its because he is an Uzumaki or not,his amount of chakra is up there for the most in the series, and a TBB, is made of chakra if Preta can't absorb all of it ( which im pretty sure it can) he can absorb enough for the other pains to move out of its blast radius (as it takes time to absorb) Then dodge it himself ....

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Ok but that still does not change the fact that he was able to, infiltrate a vilalge using multipl abilities to do so, destroy it with a CST, then continue to use more chakra to fight Naruto, then use CT and still was able to use ST numerous times,

Whether its because he is an Uzumaki or not,his amount of chakra is up there for the most in the series, and a TBB, is made of chakra if Preta can't absorb all of it ( which im pretty sure it can) he can absorb enough for the other pains to move out of its blast radius (as it takes time to absorb) Then dodge it himself ....

I wasn't arguing about the match itself. I was purely debating Preta. As for how much to move out of the raidus is extremely doubtful. The Path is the least capable Fūjutsu Kyūin user.

I would also like to note that your lucky most Preta users arn't alive Their body would get numb and heavy tyring to absorb the chakra and the knead/Release clause would be ever more present.

 

[iiDarui]

Is say Bee can take Chikushodo, Darui can take Shurado, Ei will HAVE to take Tendo, Shi can take Jigokudo, Omoi can take Gakido and Karui can take Ningendo.

Bee can handle Chikushodo with Gyuuki. Bijuudama and a great relationship with Gyuuki is helpful against the animals of Chikushodo.

Darui can destroy Shurado with Kenjutsu or at a distance with Raiton and Ranton. Suiton is his best defense.

Ei vs Tendo? We know that Tendo is fast, but he can't keep up with Ei. He barely kept up with six tailed Naruto. Shinra Tensei has a five second interval between usage and he should be strong enough to resist the Bansho Ten'in.

Shi would have difficulty with Jigokudo, especially when he brings out the King of Hell. He'd have to constantly evade the dangerous tongue and attack the summoner, Jigokudo.

I think Omoi can take Gakido. He demonstrated his exceptional skills in Kenjutsu against Ameyuri Ringo and is known for being a thinker among his village. He can handle Gakido with mid diff.

Karui is noted to be a skillful kunoichi with good Kenjutsu prowess. We may not know that much about her, but her bring first cousins with Omoi says a little bit. She's also rather strong with a short temper, pounding away at Naruto's face until Sai gracefully saved him. So she isn't just some weak kunoichi.

All in all, I think the Kumogakure will walk away from this will minimal casualties. They might lose Shi, but it's a small price to pay to defeat a "Kami", such as Pein claims himself to be.

I'm posting from my phone, please ignore any typos >w <

The above says all.

 

[Gakido]

Bee would normally be enough in a 1v1, Though here its a bit diffrent. At least A is also required to deterr an infiltration.

 

[Skywardsword]

B Solos mid to high dif.

 

[iiDarui]

Bee would normally be enough in a 1v1, Though here its a bit diffrent. At least A is also required to deterr an infiltration.

You're signature about Bijuu Naruto XD