[VS] Kumma & Law Vs. Sabo & Luffy

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who would win and what diff/why?

conditions: Kuma has his brain all rounds everyone in perfect health. full knowledge for both

scenario 1: sabo pre mera mera
scenario 2: mera mera sabo
scenario 3:

doffy

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comes in for team suchibanki and

ace

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comes in for his brothers (sabo loses mera mera fruit for ace powers)

 

[ethris]

id like to say sabo and luffy, but i feel like law and kummsas DF would work well together

 

[arv993]

kuma imo can rival borsalino so i think they got it unless sabo has mera mera, which would go 50-50

 

[Pirate King]

i have a hard time ranking kumas powers

id say luffy and sabo win with and without mera
but with doffy warlords win

 

[Black Mamba]

1. Luffy and Sabo
2. Luffy and Sabo
3. Law kuma Doffy

 

[YellowFang]

- SL bros (I believe Haki can negate DF powers like that of Law and Kuma and SL are Haki monsters)
- SL bros
- Warlords

 

[Akuma]

1. Kuma & Law
2. Kuma & Law
3. Kuma, Law, Doffy.

To put it simple, Law can move people around and swap them with his DF and Kuma needs only contact to "erase" a person, I magine Luffy's blows being useless vs Kuma ( as we have seen ) would get rapidly moved by Law and placed under Kuma's range, getting re-located somewhere else. Leaving Sabo to deal with a repel-human and a person who isn't bound to restricted space. And pre-mera mera Sabo is heavily close-ranged as we saw in the battle vs Burgess for the fruit, thus he would need to get near both Law and Kuma, pair who would out match him with ease given the situation.

Scenerio three, well I would like to vote for the 3 brothers, but G4 Luffy wasn't able to defeat Doffy so far, even with Law's help. He alone is a threat to the brothers, add in a repelling Kuma and the surgeon of death, the only one I see doing major damage is Ace.

 

[Misconception]

Kuma and Law wins also with Doffy they wins easy Ace would get ripped by DD in minutes...

 

[Black Mamba]

1. Kuma & Law
2. Kuma & Law
3. Kuma, Law, Doffy.

To put it simple, Law can move people around and swap them with his DF and Kuma needs only contact to "erase" a person, I magine Luffy's blows being useless vs Kuma ( as we have seen ) would get rapidly moved by Law and placed under Kuma's range, getting re-located somewhere else. Leaving Sabo to deal with a repel-human and a person who isn't bound to restricted space. And pre-mera mera Sabo is heavily close-ranged as we saw in the battle vs Burgess for the fruit, thus he would need to get near both Law and Kuma, pair who would out match him with ease given the situation.

Scenerio three, well I would like to vote for the 3 brothers, but G4 Luffy wasn't able to defeat Doffy so far, even with Law's help. He alone is a threat to the brothers, add in a repelling Kuma and the surgeon of death, the only one I see doing major damage is Ace.

This is so bias, Laws swapping isn't a threat when its 2v2, when he has to be focused on at least one person at a time. "Rapidly" he wouldn't ever rapidly use swap tech because it drains too much energy. He can only swap something with something its like he just teleport them in front of Kuma.

Luffy and Sabo are haki beasts they can neglect Laws powers easy. They can hurt Kuma easily with armament hardening attacks, pre ts Zoro was able to cut Kuma a lil without any haki. He can only repel if he uses his paw to block it, he gets hurt if he's hit any where else. And i'm pretty sure he wouldn't be able to repel fire attacks from sabo or punch from g4 Luffy or even g3.

 

[Love Cook]

This is so bias, Laws swapping isn't a threat when its 2v2, when he has to be focused on at least one person at a time. "Rapidly" he wouldn't ever rapidly use swap tech because it drains too much energy. He can only swap something with something its like he just teleport them in front of Kuma.

Luffy and Sabo are haki beasts they can neglect Laws powers easy. They can hurt Kuma easily with armament hardening attacks, pre ts Zoro was able to cut Kuma a lil without any haki. He can only repel if he uses his paw to block it, he gets hurt if he's hit any where else. And i'm pretty sure he wouldn't be able to repel fire attacks from sabo or punch from g4 Luffy or even g3.

This is exactly what Law did in the Doffy and Trebol VS Luffy and Law fight.

which was a 2 v 2 (not even counting the string clone) And Law was fast enough to swap a Luffy who was firing a gear 2 attack right at him.

Which makes him quick enough to see G2 coming and to manouvre Luffy in place to hit Doflamongo. It will be childs play for him to swap Kuma behind anyone, and Kuma just has to touch.

Kuma and Law win in every situation, Doflamingo can stay home.

 

[Black Mamba]

This is exactly what Law did in the Doffy and Trebol VS Luffy and Law fight.

which was a 2 v 2 (not even counting the string clone) And Law was fast enough to swap a Luffy who was firing a gear 2 attack right at him.

Which makes him quick enough to see G2 coming and to manouvre Luffy in place to hit Doflamongo. It will be childs play for him to swap Kuma behind anyone, and Kuma just has to touch.

Kuma and Law win in every situation, Doflamingo can stay home.

Both times Luffy and Law did the swap combo Trebol wasn't doing anything all he was doing was screaming Doffy, he got negged diffed by Law. You can't compare Luffy or Sabo to Trebol in the fight because he didn't do shit, it was basically 2v1.

and it's reasonable to say you can block Kuma's ****** slap with strong enough haki, since you can do the same thing to laws cutting abilities.

Luffy>Law
Luffy>Kuma
Sabo>Law
Sabo>Kuma

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

i think pppl r underestimating the shuchibanki duo loll... both can teleport as well as munipulate intagnible things to make them tanigble if law does shambles on luffy and sabo or like love cook said teleports kuma close to them and kuma touches just one of them tht guy is gone doesnt matter how much haki u have tbh unless ur sporting full body which neither of these two have shown (luffy coming close via gear 4 but thts about it) u r teleported.. kumas speed and reflexes as well as laws are grossly underestimated as well.. law comfortably reacted to gear second and kuma speed wether teleportation or just launching attacks r no joke


full knowledge luffy and sabo would try to keep distance (well sabo would luffy will still run in) would seem ok if law wasnt able to cast room around them or kuma throwing urse shock.... also they cant really run as both the suchibanki duo can teleport no problem.. hell law can even hurt kuma and kuma throws his pain at them ..

i think kuma and law win round one def semi to high diff simply because the brothers have to actually fight close distance ...

even round 2 i think they when cuz kuma can repel anything (fire) that is thrown at the suchibanki duo


dnt even get me started with doffy added to the group perhaps i should have chosen moria or boa hancock... ( but boa would fight for luffy and moria despite having cool abilities is cocky and would get one shotted cuz little to no durability)




personally guys i really dnt understand why ppl overrate sabo to extreme lol... i asked for reasons some of u gave them (in terms of why ppl win the fight) others just say the bros win

sabo to me is not tht strong but due to hype of being second in command i place him under mainford marco level around jozu level perhaps i know ppl love to put him higher but i havent seen anything from sabo that can suggest he can combat all three admiral dogs on seperate occasions in one war... i also havent seen anything that would put him over dofflomingo as well


but i feel the suchibanki duo takes this just wanted to c opinions

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Both times Luffy and Law did the swap combo Trebol wasn't doing anything all he was doing was screaming Doffy, he got negged diffed by Law. You can't compare Luffy or Sabo to Trebol in the fight because he didn't do shit, it was basically 2v1.

and it's reasonable to say you can block Kuma's ****** slap with strong enough haki, since you can do the same thing to laws cutting abilities.

Luffy>Law
Luffy>Kuma
Sabo>Law
Sabo>Kuma

exactly who has blocked laws cutting abilities ? i mean vergo tried (yes he did it in past.. but tht was in experienced law)
mean logically i c it happening but with a strong enough FBH which neither of these characters have

and honestly do u think if one of these 2 blocks kumas paw they would block the other one i mean for example kuma bout to tag luffy luffy uses haki inhanced gear 2 punch to block it kuma slaps himself with other paw teleports rapidly (like double team in pokemon lol) then circling luffy and then tries to tag him luffy is bound to get hit some where..

then u have law who could potentially shambles luffy and sabo with an invisble room (like he did against doffy not shambles just invisible room part where he suprised doffy by having one up for so long..)

also luffy is not above law

luffys gear 4th mode is above law yes but its not a perminate increase in power its a mode... he has to get into it first and even then he cant control it .. (atleast full movement ) thats bad if kuma throws an urse shock and he cant dodge it cuz hes bouncing everywhere...

 

[Misconception]

This is so bias, Laws swapping isn't a threat when its 2v2, when he has to be focused on at least one person at a time. "Rapidly" he wouldn't ever rapidly use swap tech because it drains too much energy. He can only swap something with something its like he just teleport them in front of Kuma.

Luffy and Sabo are haki beasts they can neglect Laws powers easy. They can hurt Kuma easily with armament hardening attacks, pre ts Zoro was able to cut Kuma a lil without any haki. He can only repel if he uses his paw to block it, he gets hurt if he's hit any where else. And i'm pretty sure he wouldn't be able to repel fire attacks from sabo or punch from g4 Luffy or even g3.

Kuma has already repelled fire and DD stoped a G3 Luffy punch with about 8 strings...

 

[bajram]

The brothers win the 3 scenarios.

 

[Love Cook]

Both times Luffy and Law did the swap combo Trebol wasn't doing anything all he was doing was screaming Doffy, he got negged diffed by Law. You can't compare Luffy or Sabo to Trebol in the fight because he didn't do shit, it was basically 2v1.

and it's reasonable to say you can block Kuma's ****** slap with strong enough haki, since you can do the same thing to laws cutting abilities.

Luffy>Law
Luffy>Kuma
Sabo>Law
Sabo>Kuma

Who is biased now you hypocrite, first calling people out how a certain scenario doesn't work out. And when that scenrario already has presented itself in the manga you're saying "naaah Luffy and Sabo are better than that".

 

[Akuma]

Both times Luffy and Law did the swap combo Trebol wasn't doing anything all he was doing was screaming Doffy, he got negged diffed by Law. You can't compare Luffy or Sabo to Trebol in the fight because he didn't do shit, it was basically 2v1.

and it's reasonable to say you can block Kuma's ****** slap with strong enough haki, since you can do the same thing to laws cutting abilities.

Luffy>Law
Luffy>Kuma
Sabo>Law
Sabo>Kuma

Your entire grounds are everything but solid. Love Cook has made a more than valid argument, and unlike you he isn't blinded by favorism of a character. I prefer the brothers over the Warlords, but it's obvious which side has the upper hand and victory.

 

[Black Mamba]

Who is biased now you hypocrite, first calling people out how a certain scenario doesn't work out. And when that scenrario already has presented itself in the manga you're saying "naaah Luffy and Sabo are better than that".

No I'm not lol I'm saying you can't compare Trebol to Sabo and Luffy, because Trebol had no impact in that fight he was far too weak. The way you're explaining things it makes it seem like Kuma and Law can beat any duo in OP verse by saying Law can swap Kuma and BAM send them flying gg. All I'm saying is its not gonna play out that nicely when they're facing opponents stronger then them.

Your entire grounds are everything but solid. Love Cook has made a more than valid argument, and unlike you he isn't blinded by favorism of a character. I prefer the brothers over the Warlords, but it's obvious which side has the upper hand and victory.

We agree to disagree then hehe.

Edit(didn't even see this lol):

exactly who has blocked laws cutting abilities ? i mean vergo tried (yes he did it in past.. but tht was in experienced law)
mean logically i c it happening but with a strong enough FBH which neither of these characters have

and honestly do u think if one of these 2 blocks kumas paw they would block the other one i mean for example kuma bout to tag luffy luffy uses haki inhanced gear 2 punch to block it kuma slaps himself with other paw teleports rapidly (like double team in pokemon lol) then circling luffy and then tries to tag him luffy is bound to get hit some where..

then u have law who could potentially shambles luffy and sabo with an invisble room (like he did against doffy not shambles just invisible room part where he suprised doffy by having one up for so long..)

also luffy is not above law

luffys gear 4th mode is above law yes but its not a perminate increase in power its a mode... he has to get into it first and even then he cant control it .. (atleast full movement ) thats bad if kuma throws an urse shock and he cant dodge it cuz hes bouncing everywhere...

Doffy has blocked Law's cutting abilities multiple times, Luffy and Sabo haki are around the same or higher level than Doffy.

Lol what are you talking about? Kuma slapping him self and teleporting himself around Luffy what? Show me scans where he has done this before.

Invisible room? It's just a regular room but bigger... it only works if he holds it up and doesn't use his powers until the right moment for a sneak attack. Isn't a good idea cuz he's gonna need to use his powers if he want to survive against Luffy and Sabo also it drains his energy like crazy

Luffy>Law simple as that.

Kuma won't throw a big shock wave with Law right there, plus it shouldn't hurt a logia like Sabo and unconscious Luffy tanked it last time also

 

[arv993]

No I'm not lol I'm saying you can't compare Trebol to Sabo and Luffy, because Trebol had no impact in that fight he was far too weak. The way you're explaining things it makes it seem like Kuma and Law can beat any duo in OP verse by saying Law can swap Kuma and BAM send them flying gg. All I'm saying is its not gonna play out that nicely when they're facing opponents stronger then them.


We agree to disagree then hehe.

Edit(didn't even see this lol):

Doffy has blocked Law's cutting abilities multiple times, Luffy and Sabo haki are around the same or higher level than Doffy.

Lol what are you talking about? Kuma slapping him self and teleporting himself around Luffy what? Show me scans where he has done this before.

Invisible room? It's just a regular room but bigger... it only works if he holds it up and doesn't use his powers until the right moment for a sneak attack. Isn't a good idea cuz he's gonna need to use his powers if he want to survive against Luffy and Sabo also it drains his energy like crazy

Luffy>Law simple as that.

Kuma won't throw a big shock wave with Law right there, plus it shouldn't hurt a logia like Sabo and unconscious Luffy tanked it last time also

ur right using trebol as an argument is weak, and with haki beasts its not easy to the teleport move especially in G4. law is inferior to both luffy and sabo. but with kuma his speed feats and powers makes me take him over luffy or pre mera sabo.

 

[MickNerks]

Kuma and Law take this more times then not.

They both have the most broken devil fruits in the series, and I honestly cant see how luffy and sabo can counter the combination effectively.