[VS] Kuma vs Post Strawhats

[MickNerks]

honestly how though? none of them besides main three and robin can react to something as fast as Kuma and again Kuma's paws u cant really negate them

Kuma has a charge time on his Ursus Shock, which is its weakness. Usopp could literally shoot a Greenstar trampoline under Kuma's feet while he is charging and disrupt the enitire attack.

 

[MickNerks]

Kuma wouldn't win, Zoro countered his teleporting speed and Kuma always seems to be holding back, like when he fought Ivankov at Marineford (maybe because he remembered Iva).

Adding Ivankov would make a big difference, what make it a hard decision is that we're talking about Dragon's commanders, at first i wanted to say that they'd lose against G4 Luffy, Zoro who negged all his enemies after timeskip and the rest of the StrawHats, hard diff. But now that I think of it, Ivankov and Kuma are very underrated, Kuma didn't show his all and no one really injured him yet. Ivankov has some nasty tricks and again, it's not without a reason that they're Dragon's CONMANDERS. While tha StrawHats grew stronger Kuma and Ivankov probably also grew stronger and maybe for Kuma some gadgets got added or speed or extra durability. While Luffy lasts 10 minutes, Ivankov can boost their stamina and power.

Adding Sabo would be a big loss for Luffy's crew for sure, Ivankov can even give them an adrenaline boost

I agree with you that the Strawhats should be able to defeat Kuma in scenario 1.

I strongly disagree with them winning any scenario after that. G4 luffy still gets repelled by the paw paw fruit (It's Broken), which could cause luffy to run out of time or kuma could redirect luffy's attack toward his crew. Both Ivankov and Kuma have demonstrated far superior speed feats than any of the SH's post timeskip, and both Ivankov and Kuma have large AoE.

Kuma and Ivankov have both also shown that they are tanks:

- with kuma protecting the strawhats ship for 2 years straight and taking damage and still able to fight. Not only did he protect it from pirates but also from the marines.
- Ivankov was the only person in the series to fight megellan get swamped with poison and walk away from it afterwards. Not only that but diplayed hormone abilities that makes his body immune to physical damage. Also in the anime he was shown as being one of the few characters that was able to take a direct hit from akainu and play it off afterwards.

Between Ursus Shock, Galaxy Wink, and adrenaline shots I really dont see the strawhats pulling that win off. And if we go by portrayal, since sanji was trained by Ivankov it should be assumed that Ivankov is still significantly stronger than sanji, and if Ivankov is significanly stronger than sanji than he show still be either slightly or moderately stronger than the other monster trio.

I think round 3 is a slaughter for the Revs.

i really do hate how underrated kuma is on this site its really annoying... no straw hat can solo kuma maybe luffy via gear 4th but thats unlikely due to the amount of effort used to defeat doffy on luffys and laws part..but then again any damage luffy does to kuma kuma can litterally take it out of his body and throw it right back at them....

as for the person who said zoro countered his teleportation pre timeskip

where? if he did why did he get transported to mihawk or are u saying he knew he would be transported to him and just went with it... kuma literally teleports it doesnt matter if its 9 against 1 if anything thats better for kuma due to being able to use these ppl as shields and a lot of powerful attacks cant be used or has to be used carefully so they do not harm thier comrades... whereas kuma litterally has aone shot with his paws


i rank kuma around the level of doffy cracker jack minks etc idk why ppl think hes weak all of a sudden he has never shown anything to make him seem weak

I agree Kuma is extremely underrated. I do think the strawhats can beat him 9 vs 1, but he would put up a hell of a fight. I view Kuma and Ivankov as being stronger than Doffy and Cracker, not sure about Jack.

 

[arv993]

Kuma is seriously underrated here. He can't beat all 9 ofc but he can take on zoro and win. Only luffy would likely beat him as of rn. Sabo+ Iva and Kuma take straw hats out lowest end of high diff.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Kuma is seriously underrated here. He can't beat all 9 ofc but he can take on zoro and win. Only luffy would likely beat him as of rn. Sabo+ Iva and Kuma take straw hats out lowest end of high diff.

lol what? On what basis? Kuma has never been truly impressive. His fruit was hax, but he has only shined against the Strawhats. Now, the Monster Trio have shown the ability to slice through his steel and cause the body of a Pacifista to explode with basic attacks. Shit, people like Hyouzo and Gladius took Gear Second attacks better than a Pacifista, and nothing suggests Kuma's body is any stronger than any other Pacifista. If all three attack at once, Kuma can only block two and the third destroys his body with literally one blow.

 

[arv993]

lol what? On what basis? Kuma has never been truly impressive. His fruit was hax, but he has only shined against the Strawhats. Now, the Monster Trio have shown the ability to slice through his steel and cause the body of a Pacifista to explode with basic attacks. Shit, people like Hyouzo and Gladius took Gear Second attacks better than a Pacifista, and nothing suggests Kuma's body is any stronger than any other Pacifista. If all three attack at once, Kuma can only block two and the third destroys his body with literally one blow.

I'm not talking about pacifista but a normal Kuma I never said he can take out all of the straw hats but with sabo and Iva he can take em. Zoro can cut him for sure but Kuma has superior speed and a hax df which means even if zoro can get a hit that's not lethal can result in bfr. Common sense indicates a human body especially someone like Kuma can take more damage than a pacifista who gets oneshotted by luffy with no gears. And Iva and Kuma are collegagues of a similar position do u think Iva can one shot a human Kuma and it's much much harder to get meaningful hits on Kuma compared to a pacifista.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'm not talking about pacifista but a normal Kuma I never said he can take out all of the straw hats but with sabo and Iva he can take em. Zoro can cut him for sure but Kuma has superior speed and a hax df which means even if zoro can get a hit that's not lethal can result in bfr. Common sense indicates a human body especially someone like Kuma can take more damage than a pacifista who gets oneshotted by luffy with no gears. And Iva and Kuma are collegagues of a similar position do u think Iva can one shot a human Kuma and it's much much harder to get meaningful hits on Kuma compared to a pacifista.

PX-0, Kuma, doesn't matter. His defenses haven't been shown to be any better than any other Pacifista's, so as far as we know, a well placed attack from any of the Monster Trio would cause his body to explode in one shot.

Common sense dictates what? How would the human body be stronger than a Pacifista when:

A). All Pacifistas are human bodies upgraded with cybernetic enhancements

B). Sanji and Luffy could crush human bodies and Zoro could slice through them, but none of them could scratch a Pacifista until they piled on damage from the entire crew?

 

[ssjelf]

PX-0, Kuma, doesn't matter. His defenses haven't been shown to be any better than any other Pacifista's, so as far as we know, a well placed attack from any of the Monster Trio would cause his body to explode in one shot.

Common sense dictates what? How would the human body be stronger than a Pacifista when:

A). All Pacifistas are human bodies upgraded with cybernetic enhancements

B). Sanji and Luffy could crush human bodies and Zoro could slice through them, but none of them could scratch a Pacifista until they piled on damage from the entire crew?

Humans can use haki. Kuma during thriller bark and saobody could likely use haki to increase his defenses. So if kuma was still a human he would stand a chance. But he isnt anymore so he lost that and I agree with you. I am really hoping kuma had some upgrades as hinted by sentomaru.

Also as a sidenote: In one piece, the durability of a human body isn't a constant for all humans. It varies depending on the strength of the individual and I am not talking about haki or tekkai here. Some of luffys opponents have tanked G2 attacks without the use of either and others have fallen to G2. I am certain that some humans have bodies stronger than pacifista metal naturally although I think with time, it is all being combined under the umbrella of haki unfortunately.

 

[MadaraReturns]

Zoro never countered his teleporting speed.

Yeah i meant when Kuma teleported above him and his attack took an hour to load... ur right thats not really countering but he still dodged his pad rapid fire too...

 

[Wrappering_]

Nicole Robinson rekts him 0 difficulty.

 

[arv993]

PX-0, Kuma, doesn't matter. His defenses haven't been shown to be any better than any other Pacifista's, so as far as we know, a well placed attack from any of the Monster Trio would cause his body to explode in one shot.

Common sense dictates what? How would the human body be stronger than a Pacifista when:

A). All Pacifistas are human bodies upgraded with cybernetic enhancements

B). Sanji and Luffy could crush human bodies and Zoro could slice through them, but none of them could scratch a Pacifista until they piled on damage from the entire crew?

I'm not talking about PX0 Kuma, a Kuma before modifications is more durable. Ur suggesting that Iva can one shot Kuma prior to modifications, that is one of the more insane claims that u have made. And it's much harder to get a hit on a human version of Kuma compared to PX0. He's more likely to bfr zoro than zoro killing him with a direct hit on the vitals.

 

[A v i]

lol what? On what basis? Kuma has never been truly impressive. His fruit was hax, but he has only shined against the Strawhats. Now, the Monster Trio have shown the ability to slice through his steel and cause the body of a Pacifista to explode with basic attacks. Shit, people like Hyouzo and Gladius took Gear Second attacks better than a Pacifista, and nothing suggests Kuma's body is any stronger than any other Pacifista. If all three attack at once, Kuma can only block two and the third destroys his body with literally one blow.

He fought on equal grounds with Iva and tanked multiple attacks from him, I don't think it's something a Pacifista can do; Assuming Sanji's times skip mentor is actually that powerful.

 

[ToshiZO]

He fought on equal grounds with Iva and tanked multiple attacks from him, I don't think it's something a Pacifista can do; Assuming Sanji's times skip mentor is actually that powerful.

Don't even bother, I remember a while ago, I used the same feat of Kuma tanking and not receiving injuries after multiple assaults by Ivankov, and he tried to tell me that Ivankov also couldn't put a dent on a single pacifista.

Kuma's durability is clearly above Pacifista, and it's not even close unless you think Ivankov is so weak that forget beating a pacifista he wouldn't even be able to damage one while pre timeskip strawhats managed to do so.

 

[Punk Hazard]

He fought on equal grounds with Iva and tanked multiple attacks from him, I don't think it's something a Pacifista can do; Assuming Sanji's times skip mentor is actually that powerful.

Don't even bother, I remember a while ago, I used the same feat of Kuma tanking and not receiving injuries after multiple assaults by Ivankov, and he tried to tell me that Ivankov also couldn't put a dent on a single pacifista.

Kuma's durability is clearly above Pacifista, and it's not even close unless you think Ivankov is so weak that forget beating a pacifista he wouldn't even be able to damage one while pre timeskip strawhats managed to do so.

How does this prove that? Have we seen Ivankov damage Pacifista?

Also, Iva isn't that impressive either, considering he was easily defeated by Magellan.

 

[MadaraReturns]

I agree with you that the Strawhats should be able to defeat Kuma in scenario 1.

I strongly disagree with them winning any scenario after that. G4 luffy still gets repelled by the paw paw fruit (It's Broken), which could cause luffy to run out of time or kuma could redirect luffy's attack toward his crew. Both Ivankov and Kuma have demonstrated far superior speed feats than any of the SH's post timeskip, and both Ivankov and Kuma have large AoE.

Kuma and Ivankov have both also shown that they are tanks:

- with kuma protecting the strawhats ship for 2 years straight and taking damage and still able to fight. Not only did he protect it from pirates but also from the marines.
- Ivankov was the only person in the series to fight megellan get swamped with poison and walk away from it afterwards. Not only that but diplayed hormone abilities that makes his body immune to physical damage. Also in the anime he was shown as being one of the few characters that was able to take a direct hit from akainu and play it off afterwards.

Between Ursus Shock, Galaxy Wink, and adrenaline shots I really dont see the strawhats pulling that win off. And if we go by portrayal, since sanji was trained by Ivankov it should be assumed that Ivankov is still significantly stronger than sanji, and if Ivankov is significanly stronger than sanji than he show still be either slightly or moderately stronger than the other monster trio.

I think round 3 is a slaughter for the Revs.



I agree Kuma is extremely underrated. I do think the strawhats can beat him 9 vs 1, but he would put up a hell of a fight. I view Kuma and Ivankov as being stronger than Doffy and Cracker, not sure about Jack.

Huhh so u agree on everything, i said Ivankov and Kuma win scenario 2 and 3 is a deff win for the Revs(

 

[MickNerks]

Huhh so u agree on everything, i said Ivankov and Kuma win scenario 2 and 3 is a deff win for the Revs(

Yeah, I'm sorry.. I was agreeing with you.

I was disagreeing with the other guy