[VS] kuma vs kizaru

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If this were true Kumas pad cannons would also be light speed cause they are following the same logic. But theyre not.

His pad cannons are light speed. He said so... And I am sure he can control the speed of his reflection. Zoro only dodged them because he predicted their path before shooting similar to how someone can "dodge" a bullet in the time it takes to pull a trigger.
 

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His pad cannons are light speed. He said so... And I am sure he can control the speed of his reflection. Zoro only dodged them because he predicted their path before shooting similar to how someone can "dodge" a bullet in the time it takes to pull a trigger.

Nah man...just na. Half dead pre timeskip Zoro shouldnt be able to dodge anything close to light speed...let alone multiple attacks all at once.
 

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Nah man...just na. Half dead pre timeskip Zoro shouldnt be able to dodge anything close to light speed...let alone multiple attacks all at once.

Dude kuma literally said that his paw cannon reflects air at light speed. Check out chapter 484 if you don't believe me. I would post a scan but I'm on mobile. Stop denying the manga facts man
 

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Dude kuma literally said that his paw cannon reflects air at light speed. Check out chapter 484 if you don't believe me. I would post a scan but I'm on mobile. Stop denying the manga facts man
lol its a character statement. It holds no weight unless it cant be proven against.

If we went by statements amaterasu is as hot as the sun, and WB is a planet buster.
 

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lol its a character statement. It holds no weight unless it cant be proven against.

If we went by statements amaterasu is as hot as the sun, and WB is a planet buster.

So kizaru can't move at light speed either... Ok... Deny it all you want, but it's right there and kuma has no reason to lie not is he the type to lie
 

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So kizaru can't move at light speed either... Ok... Deny it all you want, but it's right there and kuma has no reason to lie not is he the type to lie

Lmfao Kizarus yata no kagami cant be proven to NOT be lightspeed therefore its believable....pre timeskip injured Zoro dodging those pad cannons automatically means they arent light speed. Its not about Kuma lying.
 

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Lmfao Kizarus yata no kagami cant be proven to NOT be lightspeed therefore its believable....pre timeskip injured Zoro dodging those pad cannons automatically means they arent light speed. Its not about Kuma lying.

Except it's a manga, people do impossible crap all the time. Not only that, but like I said, if the "trigger" time is slow enough, anyone can dodge it. The manga should not be interpreted solely by what is seen as that gives no scale to the true speed of things. The words were there to give a scale of the speed and the scale is the speed of light. You are taking a statement of fact and just writing it off because it suits your argument, you can't do that...
 

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Like I said he attacks faster but their top speed must be equal IF (and there is evidence to this) kuma is able to reflect himself at light speed. And due to kizarus wind up every time he is moving long distances, kuma can beat him to a location.

What are you talking about bro? the reflected object is teleported or sent at light speed, kumas hands while moving however aren't moving at the same speed, he'd get bltized long before he touches himself, kizaru is the only character in one piece who can move at light speed



OT: Kizaru rather low diff.
 

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Oh wow pre ts Zoro has FTL reactions now....
 

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What are you talking about bro? the reflected object is teleported or sent at light speed, kumas hands while moving however aren't moving at the same speed, he'd get bltized long before he touches himself, kizaru is the only character in one piece who can move at light speed



OT: Kizaru rather low diff.

That's literally what I just said... The OT wasn't a fight but merely a speed feat battle. In a battle I agree that kizaru stomps. I was saying that kuma can reflect himself at light speed but it seems he can't attack while moving that fast. Take a half second longer to read what I said... I was only only comparin speed In The sense of a race to a location. Jesus...

Oh wow pre ts Zoro has FTL reactions now....

Again not what I said. I can dodge anything moving at light speed if I am given ample time to move out of the way. If I am told to dodge a bullet and I know it will take 1 s before it is fired, I can move. Zoros reaction speed is equal to the speed of Kumas hands which I never said were light speed, only the air is.

Kuma can also reflect himself at light speed but has never shown an attack at light speed. Therefor in a fight kuma loses to kizaru who can attack at light speed, but kuma wins in a race because there is a much smaller delay in the time it takes for him to achieve light speed when traveling longer distances. Kizaru had only shown no delay while movin short distances so at longer ones it is natural he will do his charge up that he always show when trying to catch far enemies.
 

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Going by devil fruits Kizaru should be faster
 
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