[Discussion] Kuma and Ivankov

[KingHashirama]

By feats, by hype, by portrayal which of these revolutionary do you believe is the strongest?



Would Ivankov have wrecked the strawhats like Kuma would've?

 

[loj]

Not sure.Im going for a no.

 

[KingHashirama]

Not sure.Im going for a no.

No to not being able to wreck the strawhats? any specific reason?

 

[loj]

No to not being able to wreck the strawhats? any specific reason?

I just think Kuma was/is stronger than Ivankov.

 

[BaseGodNaruto]

They seemed fairy even im leaning more toward Ivankov because the fact that he held herself against a modified Kuma who now has the ability too shoot some lasers plus the fact that he was emotionless and she seem too cared about her comrade played in the fact it would be one of those fights if someone slips up they would loose

Going by there little skirmish at the war she was confident of her abilities and attacked him head on there battle came out that nobody got hurt. Those little battles Kuma doesn't seem the one to dodge his main power is his tankynest

 

[KingHashirama]

I just think Kuma was/is stronger than Ivankov.

ahhh gotcha. I have the same opinion, only that their gap isn't that big.

They seemed fairy even im leaning more toward Ivankov because the fact that he held herself against a modified Kuma who now has the ability too shoot some lasers plus the fact that he was emotionless and she seem too cared about her comrade played in the fact it would be one of those fights if someone slips up they would loose

Modified kuma, do you mean PAcifista?

 

[Axle]

IMO don't know if it's official but Pacifistas are weaker than the actual Kuma, I don't think they have any of his DF abilities which might be the cause of his lightning fast speed

 

[BaseGodNaruto]

ahhh gotcha. I have the same opinion, only that their gap isn't that big.




Modified kuma, do you mean PAcifista?

No Kuma is basically a stronger Pacifista with a Good Ass Devil Fruit hell I cant remember the Manga fight but you can search the anime Ivankov was whopping the azz

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Ivankov. He was embarrassing PX-O Kuma.

 

[BaseGodNaruto]

Ivankov. He was embarrassing PX-O Kuma.

when? she gave the work to Kuma

 

[Vandenre1ch]

when? she gave the work to Kuma

In Marineford. PX-O is the modified real Kuma....

 

[Love Cook]

The only good measurement is pre skip Sanji.

His Diable Jambe was just as useless against Ivankov on Momoiro Island as it was against Kuma on Sabaody.

But Ivankov has the advantage of a working brain and a long ranged fruit.

Ivankov is stronger.

 

[YellowFang]

Iva-chan could have wrecked SHs but not as efficiently and effortlessly as Kuma...

 

[TRE MERCER]

Alive Kuma>Ivankov>PX O Kuma.​

 

[Rιver]

If I correctly remember Ivankov already stated he is stronger than Kuma and that Kuma feared Ivankov? Didn't he also fight on par with Magellan? Ivankov is clearly by portrayal at higher rank.

 

[KingHashirama]

If I correctly remember Ivankov already stated he is stronger than Kuma. Didn't he also fight on par with Magellan? Ivankov is clearly by portrayal at higher rank.

Thought they were at the same rank. Do you recall around where Ivankov stated he is stronger than Kuma? (like around which event).

 

[Rιver]

Thought they were at the same rank. Do you recall around where Ivankov stated he is stronger than Kuma? (like around which event).

Not directly but he implied so.

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Kind of tells that Ivankov was stronger.

 

[KingHashirama]

Not directly but he implied so.

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Kind of tells that Ivankov was stronger.

I think that was just having a "Friendly" rivalry or w.e. Not so much on her trying to use her "higher rank" lol.


But that Kuma was PX O Kuma, who i assume would be weaker than the actual Kuma.


And thanks for the scan

 

[Bogard]

Ivankov was stalemated by a brainless machine while being totally unable to give a single scratch to the robot with his strongest shown attack. Not sure why people rate him highly. He is weaker than brain Kuma by a sizeable margin

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Why do people think post-surgery Kuma is weaker than pre-surgery Kuma? Why would the WG weaken their "most loyal" Shichibukai?