[Discussion] Kubo wanking Zaraki too much?

[Joseph Gomes]

In Part 1 it seemed Kenpachi = Byakuya. Now we see that Kenny beat Unohana (the first Kenpachi) when he was a kid. And Kenpachi got one of the biggest feat in Bleach manga, he cut a town sized meteor in half ! Also beat a reality warper with major PIS and CIS !!

This is the biggest power up I have seen in Bleach so far (not counting Ichigo's FGT). Apart from Bankai Yamamoto and FGT Ichigo, no soul reaper is even close to Kenny. I feel bad for Byakuya now, he looks fodder in comparison to Kenny. Not to mention Zaraki is yet to unlock his bankai :|

 

[SayWhat21]

yep man so true

 

[Goetia]

Definitely.

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[LuckyMan]

Are you serious Kenpachi is a junior captain. Shunsui and Jushiro are far above him. They are actually the strongest captains in Soul Society.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Are you serious Kenpachi is a junior captain. Shunsui and Jushiro are far above him. They are actually the strongest captains in Soul Society.

So was Unohana. Look what happened :|

BTW featwise, Zaraki steamrolls over Shunsui and Jushiro

 

[LuckyMan]

So was Unohana. Look what happened :|

BTW featwise, Zaraki steamrolls over Shunsui and Jushiro

Nope. You forget Shunshui does not have to tell anyone the rules of the game. He simply explained them to Stark for plot purposes so we could know what he actually does. Hes over 1000 years old, was already said to be the strongest captain, and his bankai is even forbidden (whatever it is). Kenny can't even beat current Shunsui by feats and portrayal. Whenever we see Bankai shunshi he will be even leagues above him then.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Nope. You forget Shunshui does not have to tell anyone the rules of the game. He simply explained them to Stark for plot purposes so we could know what he actually does. Hes over 1000 years old, was already said to be the strongest captain, and his bankai is even forbidden (whatever it is). Kenny can't even beat current Shunsui by feats and portrayal. Whenever we see Bankai shunshi he will be even leagues above him then.

What feat puts Shunsui above current Kenpachi? Age is not a factor when you're dealing with Zaraki, he's not a slow learner like Hitsugaya Toshiro. Kenny beat a senior captain when he was a kid, he is definitely stronger than shunsui now

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

As Chief is saying, Kyoraku >>> any other captain (except Unohana (dead) and Yamamoto (dead)). I wanna see Ukitake fight.

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

What feat puts Shunsui above current Kenpachi? Age is not a factor when you're dealing with Zaraki, he's not a slow learner like Hitsugaya Toshiro. Kenny beat a senior captain when he was a kid, he is definitely stronger than shunsui now

Toshiro is the youngest and is prodigious. He can't be that slow of a learner. Bad example.

Unohana and Zaraki were inextricably linked. Zaraki had to defeat her, so plot...

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Toshiro is the youngest and is prodigious. He can't be that slow of a learner. Bad example.

Unohana and Zaraki were inextricably linked. Zaraki had to defeat her, so plot...

Well Shunsui did say Toshiro would be on his level after 1000 years...which implies Toshiro is a slow learner. BTW toshiro had pretty bad showings during this war.

Zaraki beat one of the most haxxed character, Gremmy who's a reality manipulator. Beating gremmy > beating starrk

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

Well Shunsui did say Toshiro would be on his level after 1000 years...which implies Toshiro is a slow learner. BTW toshiro had pretty bad showings during this war.

Zaraki beat one of the most haxxed character, Gremmy who's a reality manipulator. Beating gremmy > beating starrk

Or Kyoraku is really strong and was probably being modest, as most people are. So it could be implied that Kyoraku is stronger than what Hitsugaya will be in 1000 years.

Meh. I haven't read Bleach in a long time. I just know the general premise of this arc and what's going on, not all the details. So I can't really give a reasonable response.

 

[LuckyMan]

Well Shunsui did say Toshiro would be on his level after 1000 years...which implies Toshiro is a slow learner. BTW toshiro had pretty bad showings during this war.

Zaraki beat one of the most haxxed character, Gremmy who's a reality manipulator. Beating gremmy > beating starrk

Shunsui killed the strongest Espada with just his Shikai. All other captains had to use their Bankai plus more to defeat the lower Espada.

Shunshui is more powerful in literally every way except for physical strength when it comes to comparing him with Kenpachi. His Zanpaktou was not even letting him fight properly because "she wasn't in the mood" and when she did finally want to play, Stark stood absolutely no chance.

Shunshui does not need to tell Kenpachi the rules of his Shikai games. Irooni ends him as Kenpachi has no idea how to fight against it and one attack is all Shushui needs to kill him.

By feats: Shunsui >> Kenpachi
By Hype/Portrayal: Shunsui >>>> Kenpachi

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Shunsui killed the strongest Espada with just his Shikai. All other captains had to use their Bankai plus more to defeat the lower Espada.

Shunshui is more powerful in literally every way except for physical strength when it comes to comparing him with Kenpachi. His Zanpaktou was not even letting him fight properly because "she wasn't in the mood" and when she did finally want to play, Stark stood absolutely no chance.

Shunshui does not need to tell Kenpachi the rules of his Shikai games. Irooni ends him as Kenpachi has no idea how to fight against it and one attack is all Shushui needs to kill him.

By feats: Shunsui >> Kenpachi
By Hype/Portrayal: Shunsui >>>> Kenpachi

Zaraki would 1 shot (yes, 1 shot) any espada with his meteor feat. I don't get how Shunsui has better feats. I saw the whole Starrk vs Shunsui fight, it wasn't even that impressive

And Toshiro can't be compared to Zaraki whatsoever. Kenpachi beat unohana as a kid with shikai alone. Adult kenpachi with much more power and experience should be able to beat shunsui.

Kenny has one of the highest durability and resilience in the manga as well

BTW, allow me to end this discussion

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[Forbidden Tale]

No, Byakuya is really strong currently, not on Zaraki's level but I never saw him to be on that level.

Zaraki is around Aizen/Urahara/Isshin's level of power at best. He still has to take off his eye patch and learn bankai, but that would make him strogner than these three, he will still be inferior to Hogyoku Aizen and Dangai Ichigo, I will not even mention Yamamoto.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

No, Byakuya is really strong currently, not on Zaraki's level but I never saw him to be on that level.

Zaraki is around Aizen/Urahara/Isshin's level of power at best. He still has to take off his eye patch and learn bankai, but that would make him strogner than these three, he will still be inferior to Hogyoku Aizen and Dangai Ichigo, I will not even mention Yamamoto.

Well I did mention in my other thread that Juha Bach, Aizen, FGT Ichigo and Yamamoto are stronger than Kenpachi...but Isshin and Urahara doesn't have the feats of Kenpachi. Kenpachi's hype is as good as theirs. And Byakuya is a big disappointment since he lost his bankai. Dunno why Kubo trolled Byakuya

 

[The Masked Sage]

I agree with that guy with the Hiruzen avatar

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Well I did mention in my other thread that Juha Bach, Aizen, FGT Ichigo and Yamamoto are stronger than Kenpachi...but Isshin and Urahara doesn't have the feats of Kenpachi. Kenpachi's hype is as good as theirs. And Byakuya is a big disappointment since he lost his bankai. Dunno why Kubo trolled Byakuya

Did you catched with the manga?

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Did you catched with the manga?

Yes I have. I said Byakuya hasn't shown anything after he lost his Bankai. I know he got it back thanks to Mayuri. BTW isn't Byakuya still recovering?

 

[ssjelf]

Yes I have. I said Byakuya hasn't shown anything after he lost his Bankai. I know he got it back thanks to Mayuri. BTW isn't Byakuya still recovering?

You aren't caught up if you haven't seen byakuya reappear with rukia. BTW, you said earlier that shunsui said toshiro would catch up in a thousand years. He actually said 100 years. Toshiro is actually a genius on the same par as gin at least. Not in power yet, but in terms of talent. I believe gin was surprised when toshiro was mentioned as having graduated in x amount of years.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

You aren't caught up if you haven't seen byakuya reappear with rukia. BTW, you said earlier that shunsui said toshiro would catch up in a thousand years. He actually said 100 years. Toshiro is actually a genius on the same par as gin at least. Not in power yet, but in terms of talent. I believe gin was surprised when toshiro was mentioned as having graduated in x amount of years.

I have caught up actually... by recovering I meant that Bykauya isn't fit to fight a sternritter at the moment. Or is he? I hadn't read Bleach in a long time that's why I read through the recent chapters very quickly. But nothing about Byakuya caught my attention since he lost his bankai. Thats what Im trying to say