Koto-A, Izanami, Tsukuyomi only given to GOOD Uchiha!

[EternalKaze7]

These abilities seem to point to God-like abilities- to pry open the person's mind and change it, I think that since they are so strong and absolute, the only ones who can gain this ability are those who are Good, Holy, or Righteous.

This must have been Kishi's reasoning behind granting them these powers aside from making them look like they were naturally just god 'like'. I mean they pretty much gain absolute control over somebody and get into their mind like God- Kotoamatsukami (controls mind, decision, and actions) , Izanami (controls destiny), Tsukuyomi (controls time and senses)

Shisui was clearly following a good path- he went and sacrificed his eyes and his life for the Leaf and trusted Itachi who fought for the leaf and protected his brother- the one he loved the most aside from his parents and Shisui.

Only the good can judge fairly when using such extreme powers, it just makes sense. U_U

+1 for the late but great Uchihas!

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[Colonel Armstrong]

lmaoooooo oh really now

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Shisui was clearly following a good path- he went and sacrificed his eyes and his life for the Leaf

you mean for a corrupt government scared to lose its own hold on everyone. he stupidly killed himself when he could fight with borrowed eyes from beaten opponents since NV eyes seem to just shove right in no problem.

the only ones who can gain this ability are those who are Good, Holy, or Righteous.

well that counts out itachi

d trusted Itachi who fought for the leaf and protected his brother

itachi helped destroy the leaf and started a world war, senselessly helped murder 6 jinchurikis including gaara who is konoha's trusted ally, planned to brainwash and enslave his brother, tortured his brother to the point of insanity and hated and despair, tortured kakashi and naruto for no reason, manipulated and lied to konoha, manipulated and blackmailed his superior officers which is high treason, refused to inform tsunade of crucial information, refused to kill orochimaru despite the fact he had no reason not to and would contradict the whole purpose of killing his clan, lied about his clan which proves he didnt care about what they thought and only arrogantly favours his own beliefs, and even put in danger 4 massive nations just to protect his own.

Kotoamatsukami (controls mind, decision, and actions) , Izanami (controls destiny), Tsukuyomi (controls time and senses)

so you think that having control over someone by force is a good and noble power? controlling someone without their consent or will or knowledge is a good thing? locking someone in a literal hell dimension where they get stabbed for 3 days is reserved only for what you judge to be good people? that what your telling me?

 

[copyninKakashi]

True story!

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[EternalKaze7]

lmaoooooo oh really now

Well every character's ability (especially with the Uchiha) seems to express something personally about them. Obito rejected reality and thought of building a separate world thus he can become untouchable on the physical plane and send his body to the other dimension, Shisui was very similar to Itachi and he probably knew what others were thinking (knowing the mind) and left his plan with Itachi who gained Tsukuyomi-Izanami (contemplation of his and others actions). Everyone gets susanoo and only Itachi and Sasuke show they have amaterasu which is more darker power, reflecting the darkness that engulfs them both.

 

[Vkdude]

ok .. why is madara on the good list?

 

[The Rower]

I don't think Izanami would work on someone like Madara or Naruto, they already know exactly who they are and what they want to do they accept there self's unlike Kabuto who didn't

 

[EternalKaze7]

you mean for a corrupt government scared to lose its own hold on everyone. he stupidly killed himself when he could fight with borrowed eyes from beaten opponents since NV eyes seem to just shove right in no problem.


well that counts out itachi

itachi helped destroy the leaf and started a world war, senselessly helped murder 6 jinchurikis including gaara who is konoha's trusted ally, planned to brainwash and enslave his brother, tortured his brother to the point of insanity and hated and despair, tortured kakashi and naruto for no reason, manipulated and lied to konoha, manipulated and blackmailed his superior officers which is high treason, refused to inform tsunade of crucial information, refused to kill orochimaru despite the fact he had no reason not to and would contradict the whole purpose of killing his clan, lied about his clan which proves he didnt care about what they thought and only arrogantly favours his own beliefs, and even put in danger 4 massive nations just to protect his own.

so you think that having control over someone by force is a good and noble power? controlling someone without their consent or will or knowledge is a good thing? locking someone in a literal hell dimension where they get stabbed for 3 days is reserved only for what you judge to be good people? that what your telling me?

Okay I see your disagreement but 1. Shisui stupidly killed himself because Kishi couldn't allow another Uchiha to get the spotlight or go far, Itachi's mistakes were clear....YES but maybe all of Itachi's goodness came from his best friend Shisui and Sasuke?! But you seem like you think Shisui is just some idiot when it's far from it, I'd say he gained the power because he was EXCEPTIONAL and he could handle KA because his intentions were not evil, you can even say Hashirama or Jiraiya were idiots as well [EDIT] because Hashi wasn't smart enough to make peace in his time or Jiraiya died like a straight up fool and could have survived but look they still had good hearts and intentions.

[EDIT] Same goes for someone like Might Dai and now probably Might Gai, but I say they lived and died/will die for a reason you can't understand!!!

Itachi understood the contradictions in the Leaf and the Uchiha and chose it was better to spare the Leaf, HIS PARENTS UNDERSTOOD. We all do bad sometimes but wouldn't it really suck if you became good and died and all people can do is mention how much evil you did in your past.

Hashirama would not approve

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[Chie]

I agree. Shisui and Itachi were the only good Uchihas in the series and they're nothing less than heroes.

 

[ugh]

Danzo disagrees U_U

 

[reizon]

the most powerful sharingan tech, IMO has to be izangai...!!

I just liked the whole concept of it, And the way it was explained was so damn coool.!!

genjutsu cast on the caster itself, genjutsu that erases the boundary between illusion and reality itself..!!

the whole concept was very captivating to me.!!

 

[Xāvî1]

Danzo disagrees U_U

heard that name before, who is that guy

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

A bunch of nonsense.And the debate on who gets Tsukuyomi has been raging on for some time and it's still people who awaken MS in both eyes to me.The only person we know has or had Kotoamatsukami is Shisui Uchiha, so you are telling me in the hundred of years of the Uchiha clan, there has never been another Uchiha who was "Good, Holy, or Righteous"?Wait, that can't be right because you are putting Itachi in the category of "Good, Holy, or Righteous" yet he didn't awaken Kotoamatsukami.

 

[Wabbit]

That was nice to read but Izanami is not given/awakened,It is a sharingan technique
I think KA and probably Tsukoyomi too,are just same as special abilities awakened by the user just like Kamui...

 

[EternalKaze7]

heard that name before, who is that guy

Spoiler

IKR

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[ugh]

heard that name before, who is that guy

oh just another fodder who had, hashiriods, Shisui- and a couple a other uchia's- sharinguns, ruined kabutos, nagatos, yahikos, itachis, hiruzens, and a couple of other kids lives :3

EDIT: not to mention some reports of pedofilish activities... :/

 

[EternalKaze7]

A bunch of nonsense.And the debate on who gets Tsukuyomi has been raging on for some time and it's still people who awaken MS in both eyes to me.The only person we know has or had Kotoamatsukami is Shisui Uchiha, so you are telling me in the hundred of years of the Uchiha clan, there has never been another Uchiha who was "Good, Holy, or Righteous"?Wait, that can't be right because you are putting Itachi in the category of "Good, Holy, or Righteous" yet he didn't awaken Kotoamatsukami.

The only one who granted these characters anything was Kishi, this isn't a debate here I'm just pointing out something I noticed about the two characters and how it MAKES SENSE that only they would use such techniques (CURRENTLY), sheesh I never said that out of the entire course of Uchiha history no other Uchiha used it, otherwise Itachi wouldn't know Izanagi Izanami or Tsukuyomi were forbidden Uchiha techniques. And then there's the whole Unlocking vs Learning a technique thing in which case Itachi's tsukuyomi seems to be pretty damn unique in who unlocks it and it fits his character.

 

[EternalKaze7]

That was nice to read but Izanami is not given/awakened,It is a sharingan technique
I think KA and probably Tsukoyomi too,are just same as special abilities awakened by the user just like Kamui...

KA and Tsuku were given by destiny & Kishimoto, it maes alot of sense that Itachi would use Izanami and KA could not be properly be used Danzo because he was evil. He used it during the Kage meeting in hopes of becoming the leader, he was a weak selfish minded individual in the end. Using Shisui's eye Itachi was freed, stopped the edos and changed Kabuto, ensuring Sasuke's and the Leaf's survival once again. Showing these techs nd special abilities favoring the righteous of the Uchiha.

 

[Rohan]

Good and Evil is subjective. Thus, the whole basis of this thread is void.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

it maes alot of sense that Itachi would use Izanami and KA could not be properly be used Danzo because he was evil.

actualyl evil uchihas seem to have better control over power than anyone else does. madara uchiha is the most masterful of his eyes, so much so he rivaled hashirama.

he was a weak selfish minded individual in the end.

so was itachi

Using Shisui's eye Itachi was freed, stopped the edos and changed Kabuto, ensuring Sasuke's and the Leaf's survival once again.

itachi stopped nothing. he unleashed madara, tried to mindrape kabuto for eternity and left him to sasuke's mercy or lack thereof, and would have let sasuke destroy konoha since the person he trusted to stop sasuke was fukin busy.

ensuring Sasuke's and the Leaf's survival once again

i keep coming back to this but THATS NOT A GOOD THING. he turned sasuke into a rabid psychotic monster and the leaf was corrupt from the beginning, so corrupt that they ordered a genocide. anyone who saw such horror would immediately get out of there and find someone more worthy to serve.
nor did he even do a good job of it since konoha was half blown to hell by orochimaru and nagato, and sasuke was beaten into a coma

Itachi's tsukuyomi seems to be pretty damn unique in who unlocks it and it fits his character.

agreed. locking peopel in hell dimensions and shoving illusion swords in their hearts fits itachis psychotic character

I agree. Shisui and Itachi were the only good Uchihas in the series and they're nothing less than heroes.

shisi was a moron who kileld himself for no reason given eyes in this world seem like interchangable hotcakes, and itachi is a psychotic manipulative terrorist mindrapist

Shisui was very similar to Itachi

shisui was a naive fool but nothing like his evil manipulating mindrapist friend

but maybe all of Itachi's goodness came from his best friend Shisui and Sasuke?!

itachi has no goodness. even his supposed heroic deeds were done out of selfish stupidity.

I'd say he gained the power because he was EXCEPTIONAL and he could handle KA

again he killed himself because he didnt want KA falling in the wrong hands, but for one both KAs were still around and able ot be stolen again should itachi die in the ensuing coup attempt or akatsuki invasions. shisui seemed to kill himself jsut because he preferred ebing dead to blind. except eyes are easy to get in the ninja world. madara showed us you can just slot in a new pair into your sockets no problem.

Itachi understood the contradictions in the Leaf and the Uchiha and chose it was better to spare the Leaf,

and i could accept and admire that if it werent for his future actions which proved he only really cared about himself and his plans to brainwash and enslave others. f hes so ready to kill to spare the leaf, why did he let psychopaths run around unchecked?

We all do bad sometimes but wouldn't it really suck if you became good and died and all people can do is mention how much evil you did in your past.

we all do bad sometimes? thats your rationalisation for itachis crimes which includes torturing a child in cold blood?