Konoha's Noble Clan | Uchiha - Hyūga - Aburame - Akamichi

[Ves]

I'm somewhat baffled as to the lack of information we have on the two other noble clans; the Aburame, and the Akamichi. I actually have qualms with their position as nobility in Konoha, just based on the inefficient background we possess regarding them. Q1. Why were the Aburame & Akamichi noted as noble clans? Hell, why were the Uchiha, and Hyūga noble clans? Q2. What were the prerequisites for being known as a noble clan? My partial-answer to Q2: Power clearly wasn't one of the prerequisites to becoming a noble clan, because if that were in fact the case, the Senju, who were rivals to the Uchiha Clan, would've been titled as such. Perhaps clan hierarchy had been required like the Hyuga Clan's main, and branch houses? What are your opinions on this?

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[HyuugaHeir]

At the founding of Konoha, these four clans may have been the most wealthy and hierarchical. They each have their clan heads and members abide strictly to whatever they uphold at utmost. The "Four Noble Clans" might as well be a retrospect label. Each might have owned a portion of land which then they joined and expanded Konoha's borders. That is Feudal japan right??

 

[jamarcusp17]

I'm somewhat baffled as to the lack of information we have on the two other noble clans; the Aburame, and the Akamichi. I actually have qualms with their position as nobility in Konoha, just based on the inefficient background we possess regarding them. Q1. Why were the Aburame & Akamichi noted as noble clans? Hell, why were the Uchiha, and Hyūga noble clans? Q2. What were the prerequisites for being known as a noble clan? My partial-answer to Q2: Power clearly wasn't one of the prerequisites to becoming a noble clan, because if that were in fact the case, the Senju, who were rivals to the Uchiha Clan, would've been titled as such. Perhaps clan hierarchy had been required like the Hyuga Clan's main, and branch houses? What are your opinions on this?

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I like to think that nobility depends on the clan's relationship with the village. I believe that a clan's contribution (as a whole) to the village has to be largely acknowledged by that village's higher ups. I don't think a clan becomes recognized as noble by the entire village by remaining secluded. I believe that clans who do things like fighting in wars, helping with financial institutes, etc. become noble.

 

[Ves]

At the founding of Konoha, these four clans may have been the most wealthy and hierarchical. They each have their clan heads and members abide strictly to whatever they uphold at utmost. The "Four Noble Clans" might as well be a retrospect label. Each might have owned a portion of land which then they joined and expanded Konoha's borders. That is Feudal jap

You must be registered for see images You may be correct. Or perhaps they were labeled as noble clans based on their performance in the warring states period? Hired clans for mercenary purposes, perhaps gathering favor with the Senju & Uchiha on the field of battle earning them the title as noble clans? It may simply be due to hierarchical rankings solely in-clan, but I'm unsure if the Akamichi, or Aburame, or even the Uchiha are organized in such a way...

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[Ves]

I like to think that nobility depends on the clan's relationship with the village. I believe that a clan's contribution (as a whole) to the village has to be largely acknowledged by that village's higher ups. I don't think a clan becomes recognized as noble by the entire village by remaining secluded. I believe that clans who do things like fighting in wars, helping with financial institutes, etc. become noble.

Yup, you're probably right. Because there were only two major thinks needed in the Warring States Period, and those were: soldiers, and resources. Garning favor could undoubtedly have been the way to their superficial titles. This also makes sense as to why the Nara, and Yamanaka clan weren't involved, being they aren't entirely battle-forged families. Spoiler You must be registered for see images Though that still brings up the question, why weren't the Senju included? Maybe it's because the Senju were seen as the King/Owner clan of Konoha, and the dominant/leading clan doesn't need a label of recognition?

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[jamarcusp17]

Yup, you're probably right. Because there were only two major thinks needed in the Warring States Period, and those were: soldiers, and resources. Garning favor could undoubtedly have been the way to their superficial titles. This also makes sense as to why the Nara, and Yamanaka clan weren't involved, being they aren't entirely battle-forged families. Spoiler You must be registered for see images Though that still brings up the question, why weren't the Senju included? Maybe it's because the Senju were seen as the King/Owner clan of Konoha, and the dominant/leading clan doesn't need a label of recognition?

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What makes you think the Senju weren't a noble clan? But if they are not considered noble, I'm guessing it's because of the same reason the Senju don't exist anymore.

 

[Ves]

What makes you think the Senju weren't a noble clan? But if they are not considered noble, I'm guessing it's because of the same reason the Senju don't exist anymore.

Because it was never stated they were one of the four noble clans, and Tsunade is a half-breed Senju, therefore the clan is/was still present.

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[HyuugaHeir]

Yup, you're probably right. Because there were only two major thinks needed in the Warring States Period, and those were: soldiers, and resources. Garning favor could undoubtedly have been the way to their superficial titles. This also makes sense as to why the Nara, and Yamanaka clan weren't involved, being they aren't entirely battle-forged families. Spoiler You must be registered for see images Though that still brings up the question, why weren't the Senju included? Maybe it's because the Senju were seen as the King/Owner clan of Konoha, and the dominant/leading clan doesn't need a label of recognition?

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The Senju were strong but were pretty diversified. Unlike the Uchiha, Hyuuga, Aburame and akimichi who each had their own distinct abilities. Then come the other clans, which I speculate after the founding of Konoha, began to hone their respective hiden techniques.
But foremost, the FOUR Noble Clans were revered the most prior to the others.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

This thread is low-key trying to brainwash NB into thinking aforementioned clans could ever be pronounced as noble. :lol

 

[Ves]

The Senju were strong but were pretty diversified. Unlike the Uchiha, Hyuuga, Aburame and akimichi who each had their own distinct abilities. Then come the other clans, which I speculate after the founding of Konoha, began to hone their respective hiden techniques.
But foremost, the FOUR Noble Clans were revered the most prior to the others.

Yeah, but diversity doesn't take away from reverence. That same diversity is what put them on (a presumed) equal footing with the Uchiha. So I'm not sure I can agree with the presumption the four Noble Clans were titled such just based off of respect — Especially when the Senju were =/< Uchiha in the Warring States Period. Unless. You agree with my presumption that the Senju were seen more as the almighty ruling clan over Konoha, and superficial titles meant little to them in said limelight.

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[Ves]

This thread is low-key trying to brainwash NB into thinking aforementioned clans could ever be pronounced as noble. :lol

That's because they were titled as Noble Clans... Why are you posting nonsensical shit like this?

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[whiteboy2345]

Power is the pre-requisite I would imagine.

The Senju didn't have a Kekkei Genkai or Hiden-jutsu to protect so they died out.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Yeah, but diversity doesn't take away from reverence. That same diversity is what put them on (a presumed) equal footing with the Uchiha. So I'm not sure I can agree with the presumption the four Noble Clans were titled such just based off of respect — Especially when the Senju were =/< Uchiha in the Warring States Period. Unless. You agree with my presumption that the Senju were seen more as the almighty ruling clan over Konoha, and superficial titles meant little to them in said limelight.

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I do agree with the last part. The Senju did win the war. The "Noble" title might have been just something before Konoha existed. They were known during the war but ultimately, the Senju and the Uchiha got the emphasis. So came Konoha, and apparently the four noble clans joined. Maybe instead of 4 Noble clan of Konoha, we'd rather say 4 Noble clans in Konoha

 

[Ves]

Power is the pre-requisite I would imagine.

The Senju didn't have a Kekkei Genkai or Hiden-jutsu to protect so they died out.

The Senju fought on equal/near equal terms with the Uchiha Clan. The Uchiha Clan had superiority over every clan in Konoha (power wise). If power was truly a prerequisite to become nobility in Konoha, than the Senju would've replaced either the Hyuga, Aburame, or Akamichi. Power doesn't seem to be the leading factor.

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[Ves]

I do agree with the last part. The Senju did win the war. The "Noble" title might have been just something before Konoha existed. They were known during the war but ultimately, the Senju and the Uchiha got the emphasis. So came Konoha, and apparently the four noble clans joined. Maybe instead of 4 Noble clan of Konoha, we'd rather say 4 Noble clans in Konoha

Ah, see I would agree with the bold, but in the first databook, on page 215 it states they are the "Four Noble Clans of Konohagakure." I wish I could find the full page/translation. That context leads me to believe they only achieved their nobility after integrating into Konoha.

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[HyuugaHeir]

Ah, see I would agree with the bold, but in the first databook, on page 215 it states they are the "Four Noble Clans of Konohagakure." I wish I could find the full page/translation. That context leads me to believe they only achieved their nobility after integrating into Konoha.

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Pfft. Those damn Senjus complicate this Noble clan stuff.
The databook said that, but I think I offered an alternative context to adapt the Senju onto the context. What else is there look from to discern the qualifications of being a noble clan?

 

[whiteboy2345]

The Senju fought on equal/near equal terms with the Uchiha Clan. The Uchiha Clan had superiority over every clan in Konoha (power wise). If power was truly a prerequisite to become nobility in Konoha, than the Senju would've replaced either the Hyuga, Aburame, or Akamichi. Power doesn't seem to be the leading factor.

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Considering the idea of noble clans came before the Senju clan was established as a clan, I think it makes sense that they weren't included.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

That's because they were titled as Noble Clans... Why are you posting nonsensical shit like this?

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There's nothing nonsensical about pointing out the subtle intentions behind your making this thread, at all.

 

[Ves]

Pfft. Those damn Senjus complicate this Noble clan stuff.
The databook said that, but I think I offered an alternative context to adapt the Senju onto the context. What else is there look from to discern the qualifications of being a noble clan?

You did indeed. And hell, you might even be right to be completely honest. Aside from the WSP factor, the key things would be village contribution, which ties into wealth, and land. I'm unfamiliar with any land claims the Noble Clans possessed, aside from their village residence. Nor am I up to date on their bank statements lol.

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Considering the idea of noble clans came before the Senju clan was established as a clan, I think it makes sense that they weren't included.

The Senju Clan never weren't established as a clan though? Where was this stated?

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[To Whatever]

This thread is low-key trying to brainwash NB into thinking aforementioned clans could ever be pronounced as noble. :lol

Dumb-ass...