[Discussion] Kong the strongest WG has to offer?

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Even with Garp and Sengoku around, strongest WG can ever offer are the Admirals inc. FA at that time...

Likewise, now the strongest WG can offer are the current Admirals and FA...
 

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Two commander-in-chiefs cannot exist at the same time, regardless of this: it would be a massive butt-rape curbstomp victory against Dragon.

Kong might very well be the strongest, we have no way of knowing yet

WG Match ups:

Dragon vs Kong
Luffy vs Sakazuki
Zoro vs Issho
Sanji vs Borsalino
Sabo vs Ryokugyu
How would Kong stomp Dragon? Also, I think Sabo will fight Akainu, Zoro will fight Mihawk, and Luffy will fight the Gorosei.
 

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How would Kong stomp Dragon? Also, I think Sabo will fight Akainu, Zoro will fight Mihawk, and Luffy will fight the Gorosei.
I was saying two Commander-In-Chiefs (which can't exist), fighting alongside eachother, i.e. Two Admiral level characters, could curbstomp Dragon as they would anyone else. Nobody can fight two Admirals or their equivalent.

Sabo fighting Akainu is also plausible, which would leave Luffy with Ryokugyu instead. But if Ryokugyu has the Tree-Ent Zoan or Tree Logia like I theorise, it would make more sense to put Sabo up against him/her. Although either match up is possible.

Fighting the World Government is likely to be after fighting Mihawk.
 

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I was saying two Commander-In-Chiefs (which can't exist), fighting alongside eachother, i.e. Two Admiral level characters, could curbstomp Dragon as they would anyone else. Nobody can fight two Admirals or their equivalent.

Sabo fighting Akainu is also plausible, which would leave Luffy with Ryokugyu instead. But if Ryokugyu has the Tree-Ent Zoan or Tree Logia like I theorise, it would make more sense to put Sabo up against him/her. Although either match up is possible.

Fighting the World Government is likely to be after fighting Mihawk.
Or Luffy could just fight the Gorosei while Law and Kid fight Fujitora and Ryokugyo. Mihawk is the WSS, which means he is stronger than Fujitora, so Zoro fighting Fujitora after Mihawk makes no sense.
 

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Or Luffy could just fight the Gorosei while Law and Kid fight Fujitora and Ryokugyo. Mihawk is the WSS, which means he is stronger than Fujitora, so Zoro fighting Fujitora after Mihawk makes no sense.
Who said Law and Kidd would fight at the same time?

Surely Luffy would fight one single figure, otherwise fighting 5 far weaker opponents isn't exactly suspenseful or intense and dramatic...

I don't classify Fujitora as a swordsman, he uses his sword, but he uses his Devil Fruit moreso. This is the same logic behind Law being stronger than Zoro even though Zoro will have the title of WSS
 

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Who said Law and Kidd would fight at the same time?

Surely Luffy would fight one single figure, otherwise fighting 5 far weaker opponents isn't exactly suspenseful or intense and dramatic...

I don't classify Fujitora as a swordsman, he uses his sword, but he uses his Devil Fruit moreso. This is the same logic behind Law being stronger than Zoro even though Zoro will have the title of WSS
Kaku is a swordsman even though he used Rokushiki more than his swords. Fujitora and Law are also swordsman, even though they use a DF.
 

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Kaku is a swordsman even though he used Rokushiki more than his swords. Fujitora and Law are also swordsman, even though they use a DF.
Using your logic:

are you saying that Rayleigh was stronger than Shiki and Whitebeard? What about Roger himself? He at least wielded a sword

Kaku used his swords in pretty much every attack he used...
 

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Roger and Whitebeard weren't swordsman.
I know. That's what I'm saying. Using your logic anyone with a bladed weapon would be a swordsman. That's not how it works.

Fujitora's primary weapon is his DF. He's never been seen not using it in combat. however he has been seen not using his sword. Hence he's not a Swordsman. Same can be said for Law. Otherwise Zoro would have to somehow become stronger than Law, which won't happen.

Therefore fighting the World Government is likely to be the final war arc, after all the Strawhats achieved their goals including Zoro defeating Mihawk. This makes sense as the Fujitora we see now is far from reaching his potential. He only recently acquired his fruit powers and can't awaken yet either
 

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I know. That's what I'm saying. Using your logic anyone with a bladed weapon would be a swordsman. That's not how it works.

Fujitora's primary weapon is his DF. He's never been seen not using it in combat. however he has been seen not using his sword. Hence he's not a Swordsman. Same can be said for Law. Otherwise Zoro would have to somehow become stronger than Law, which won't happen.

Therefore fighting the World Government is likely to be the final war arc, after all the Strawhats achieved their goals including Zoro defeating Mihawk. This makes sense as the Fujitora we see now is far from reaching his potential. He only recently acquired his fruit powers and can't awaken yet either
A swordsman is anyone who uses a sword frequently, not just any bladed object. Fujitora uses how sword with every gravity attack seen so far, so he does use his sword often in combat. Most of Law's attacks involve him using a sword and his signature move is his room slashes, so he is definitely a swordsman.
 

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A swordsman is anyone who uses a sword frequently, not just any bladed object. Fujitora uses how sword with every gravity attack seen so far, so he does use his sword often in combat. Most of Law's attacks involve him using a sword and his signature move is his room slashes, so he is definitely a swordsman.
He was hurling meteorites without using his sword when chasing the Sunny while eating Ramen. He also never drew his sword against Sabo

A swordsman is somebody using a sword as their primary weapon. If they use it in conjunction with their DF, and use their DF more frequently then they're not a proper swordsman IMO

Law has plenty of attacks without a sword. He used three against Doflamingo in less than two chapters
 
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But any admiral can fight a yonkou "evenly" with the exception of whitebeard.
IDK about you but I havent seen any yonkou fight other than whitebeard. So that is your opinion, hypw puts the yonkou beyond admirals considering Doffys willingness to fight the admirals over kaido.
 

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IDK about you but I havent seen any yonkou fight other than whitebeard. So that is your opinion, hypw puts the yonkou beyond admirals considering Doffys willingness to fight the admirals over kaido.
That's only because we've already seen the Admirals fight and the Yonkou are meant to be threatening

If there's so many characters reaching that level and all plateauing, surely Admiral level is near the limit of possible strength, no?
 

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That's only because we've already seen the Admirals fight and the Yonkou are meant to be threatening

If there's so many characters reaching that level and all plateauing, surely Admiral level is near the limit of possible strength, no?
no...

well "near the limit" is subjective to definition but yes they are close to yonko but I dont think they can take one out by themselves
 
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no...

well "near the limit" is subjective to definition but yes they are close to yonko but I dont think they can take one out by themselves
And you're suggesting that all four Yonkou are stronger than all four Admirals (Fleet Admiral included), as well as Kong, Garp, and Kuzan?

How would the Marines even exist if the Admirals weren't able to fight the Yonkou? Because, logically, a Yonkou like Kaidou would just turn up at Marineford and destroy it on whim if he was stronger than the Admirals.

Sakazuki and Shanks were in a stalemate

Sakazuki was the one that pretty much killed Whitebeard and took very little damage from him, regardless of illness and old age that at least shows Admirals are very much on par with Yonkou

On top of that, old age etc. seem to be irrelevant, as even in old age Garp and Sengoku are still extremely powerful
 

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And you're suggesting that all four Yonkou are stronger than all four Admirals (Fleet Admiral included), as well as Kong, Garp, and Kuzan?

How would the Marines even exist if the Admirals weren't able to fight the Yonkou? Because, logically, a Yonkou like Kaidou would just turn up at Marineford and destroy it on whim if he was stronger than the Admirals.

Sakazuki and Shanks were in a stalemate

Sakazuki was the one that pretty much killed Whitebeard and took very little damage from him, regardless of illness and old age that at least shows Admirals are very much on par with Yonkou

On top of that, old age etc. seem to be irrelevant, as even in old age Garp and Sengoku are still extremely powerful
Shanks has one arm though and we only saw one clash in which shanks stopped akainu, that was it, to call them even after that brief exchange is silly, tehre isnt enough info based on that alone. Not only that but none of the yonkou work together so obviously they arent gonna beat the WG or the marines. Also 4 yonkou (the captains only) wont beat 3 admirals plus kong and garp and fleet admiral. I imagine that the fleet admiral is equal to a yonkou and thats why i said kong should be equal at least until his stamina runs out. Hes pretty old so i cant imagine him still being as strong as he once was.

And I think you misinterpreted me as I knew you would. In a 1v1 an admiral wont beat a yonko. But obviously the marines have a much larger force than any single yonko crew and if you include garp and all the other new world marines not at marineford(evidenced by vergo not being there) then The wg (includes sengoku garp and kong and all other WG assets) probably has a force larger than all the yonkous combined.

Oh and also a yonkou did show up at marine ford and tear it up his name was WB. They had to assemble a large portion of the marines to stop him and his crew. take his crew away and put a normal amount of marines on MF and he still tore it up. We know that Sengoku tended to stay at MF and also at least one admiral at any time along with multiple vice admirals. One yonkou showing up doesnt mean he will pubstomp MF, he will tear it up and lose because there are many more fighters than him there. If it was only an admiral guarding it, then yes MF would be sunk but we know that isnt the reality of the situation.

The better question is, if an admiral can solo a yonkou then why do the yonkou even exist when there are 6 (3 admirals, + sengoku + garp + kong) admiral class fighters and above in the WG/Marines. Seriously send 3 admiral or above fighters to destroy each yonkou one at a time, but wait that isnt whats happening here is it. The fact is that each yonkou and his crew are strong enough to stand against the marines and for the marines to fight would require the dedication of force that it took to stop WB. Theres a reason when shanks showed up that the marines quit fighting, they would lose too many strong fighters if they did, admirals included.

In other words a yonkou has to be strong enough himself to protect the crew from an admiral in order to survive the new world. If he couldnt then it would take no more than two admirals to annihilate each yonko crew and then that would be it for them.

Fact of the matter is that oda told us through doffy what the yonkos were in comparison to an admiral. Yonko>admirals, its a whole other tier for them in which only a few fighters stand.
 
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Shanks has one arm though. Not only that but none of the yonkou work together so obviously they arent gonna beat the WG or the marines. Also 4 yonkou wont beat 3 admirals plus kong and garp and fleet admiral. I imagine that the fleet admiral is equal to a yonkou and thats why i said kong should be equal at least until his stamina runs out. Hes pretty old so i cant imagine him still being as strong as he once was.

And I think you misinterpreted me as I knew you would. In a 1v1 an admiral wont beat a yonko. But obviously the marines have a much larger force than any single yonko crew and if you include garp and all the other new world marines not at marineford(evidenced by vergo not being there) then The wg (includes sengoku garp and kong) probably has a force larger than all the yonkous combined.

Oh and also a yonkou did show up at marine ford at tear it up his name was WB. They had to assemble a large portion of the marines to stop him and his crew. take his crew away and put a normal amount of marines on MF and he would still tear it up. We know that Sengoku tended to stay at MF and also at least one admiral at any time along with multiple vice admirals. One yonkou showing up doesnt mean he will pubstomp MF, he will tear it up and lose because there are many more fighters than him there. If it was only an admiral guarding it, then yes MF would be sunk but we know that isnt the reality of the situation.

The better question is, if an admiral can solo a yonkou then why do the yonkou even exist when there are 6 (3 admirals, + sengoku + garp + kong) admiral class fighters and above in the WG/Marines. Seriously send 3 admiral or above fighters to destroy each yonkou one at a time, but wait that isnt whats happening here is it. The fact is that each yonkou and his crew are strong enough to stand against the marines and for the marines to fight would require the dedication of force that it took to stop WB. Theres a reason when shanks showed up that the marines quit fighting, they would lose to many strong fighters if they did, admirals included.

In other words a yonkou has to be strong enough himself to protect the crew from an admiral in order to survive the new world. If he couldnt then it would take no more than two admirals to annihilate each yonko crew and then that would be it for them.

Fact of the matter is that oda told us through doffy what the yonkos were in comparison to an admiral. Yonko>admirals, its a whole other tier for them in which only a few fighters stand.
Shanks having one arm makes no difference to the fact he is as strong as he is.

So if you think the Yonkou wouldn't win a 6vs4, then the gap between the Yonkou and Admirals is clearly non existent

Yeah and look at how successful Whitebeard was, dead crewmates, Jozu loses an arm, lost his second in command, died, NO Admirals dead, which disproves your argument about a Yonkou being strong enough to protect the crew from the Admirals

An Admiral would have to deal with first mates and second mates (if they exist in the crew, e.g. Ben and Roo). An Admiral, being on the same level as a Yonkou simply can't deal with all three

No. Doffy simply said he was scared of Kaidou because he knows Kaidou will kill him. The Admirals won't touch a Shichibukai and former Tenryuubito
 

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Shanks having one arm makes no difference to the fact he is as strong as he is.

So if you think the Yonkou wouldn't win a 6vs4, then the gap between the Yonkou and Admirals is clearly non existent

Yeah and look at how successful Whitebeard was, dead crewmates, Jozu loses an arm, lost his second in command, died, NO Admirals dead, which disproves your argument about a Yonkou being strong enough to protect the crew from the Admirals

An Admiral would have to deal with first mates and second mates (if they exist in the crew, e.g. Ben and Roo). An Admiral, being on the same level as a Yonkou simply can't deal with all three

No. Doffy simply said he was scared of Kaidou because he knows Kaidou will kill him. The Admirals won't touch a Shichibukai and former Tenryuubito
No the yonkou wouldnt win because 3 of those 6 marines are yonkou tier. So whats your point here?

Im glad you cleared that up but that wasnt my argument. It was that a yonkou should protect his crew from one admiral and even a 2nd if his crew fights with him. last I checked there were 3 admirals at marineford plus 2 yonkou level fighters (garp sengoku) plus about 10000 marines and a dozen vice admirals. oh yeah and did i mention 7 shichibukai. So how does that compare with my argument of 2 admirals. Nice try but no.

So by that logic it would only take two or three admirals to defeat the whole crew so why did marineford need so much more than that? And why then if the Marines have 6 admirals and higher fighters are the yonkou still a threat?

Doffy didnt seem scared of kuzan at all though and kuzan is admiral level. In comparison he freaked out over the thought of having kaido after him.
 
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IDK about you but I havent seen any yonkou fight other than whitebeard. So that is your opinion, hypw puts the yonkou beyond admirals considering Doffys willingness to fight the admirals over kaido.
And we have seen all the admirals fight, and their strength shits on people like Doffy. Unless you think Doffy stands the slightest chance against someone like Kizaru.. lol.

Whitebeard was an exception due to the fact he was the strongest man in the world, he was the only man to be equal to roger. He was stronger than even shanks and etc. And also Akainu didn't take any injury against whitebeard.. who was the strongest man in the world. So why do you think Akainu/Kizaru and etc aren't Younkou level? Hell, Kizaru /Aokiji came out unscratched out of the war.


We haven't seen an Admiral go all out, and when 2 admirals did fight, they changed the entire landscape of an island.
 
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