[Discussion] Kong the strongest WG has to offer?

[KingHashirama]

Kong the Commander in-chief of all the WG military (army, marines , special divisions).

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I am going to bet he was stronger than Garp and Sengoku, but was not a main fighter in that era. He seems to be like Dragon. But unlike Dragon Kong is about Garp's age. But the dude looks jacked up like he is in his prime or something. Or maybe he was simply introduced for him to be replaced by someone else to be the Commander-in-chief that will go against Dragon (commander-in-chief)


So do you believe Kong is currently the Strongest WG has to offer (Sengoku/garp/admirals and etc all included)?

Has he been simply introduced to be replaced?

If he isn't replaced do you see the happening of the fight between 2 commander-in-chiefs Dragon vs Kong?

Let's have a good discussion!

 

[loj]

I don't know Garp is very underrated though.

Maybe u are right maybe u aren't

 

[KingHashirama]

I don't know Garp is very underrated though.

Maybe u are right maybe u aren't

Well, garp was stronger than Sengoku, and both were "portrayed" as being stronger than the admirals at marineford. I think its just him not having screen time that puts him at a disadvantage.

 

[KCN]

Garp was = to Roger. That is as strong as you can get.

 

[KingHashirama]

Garp was = to Roger. That is as strong as you can get.

I highly doubt Roger was the strongest. The Gorousei seem stronger

 

[KCN]

I highly doubt Roger was the strongest. The Gorousei seem stronger

Lmfao, not sure how to respond to this. Nah. Just because they control the WG that doesn't make them stronger, especially since we've gotten no implication or taste of their fighting ability. The CD are fodder but they hold the supreme command. It's way too early to make judgements.

On the other hand, we saw an old, deathbed ridden whitebeard who suffered multiple heartattacks at MF with half his face blown off take on and defeat Akainu and Blackbeard, then dying on his feet. The same whitebeard who in his prime is = to Roger. Now imagine their prime state. Roger is clearly the strongest.

 

[saw2097]

We will have to wait and see, but I do believe the theory that the WG has people stronger than the admirals in their ranks.

As the admirals are weaker than the Yonko and Luffy has to bring them down before he can fight the World Government.

 

[KingHashirama]

Lmfao, not sure how to respond to this. Nah. Just because they control the WG that doesn't make them stronger, especially since we've gotten no implication or taste of their fighting ability. The CD are fodder but they hold the supreme command. It's way too early to make judgements.

On the other hand, we saw an old, deathbed ridden whitebeard who suffered multiple heartattacks at MF with half his face blown off take on and defeat Akainu and Blackbeard, then dying on his feet. The same whitebeard who in his prime is = to Roger. Now imagine their prime state. Roger is clearly the strongest.

Yes, and but Whitebeard and Roger were only dealing with Sengoku/Garp who were below Kong at that time also. (taking into account Garp denied promotion). Now from what we know to control "high powered people" in one piece you need to be OP strong yourself. Those 5 geezers wouldn't be controlling the WG like that if they weren't stronger than the ones under them. Its like Chopper running the strawhats .

Garp/Roger seems to be like Smoker/Luffy, where Smoker keeps on chasing luffy. But that doesn't mean there aren't other stronger people than smoker who can take luffy on.

I mean Roger wasn't even the strongest pirate. (tied with whitebeard as i recall)

 

[Hexuze]

Currently, Akainu holds that position since he's at his prime right now & second would probably be Kong. If it's the entire history of the WG then probably Prime Garp and Prime Sengoku/Kong being tied for second. I feel Sengoku is heavily underrated out of the top tier marines.

 

[KingHashirama]

Currently, Akainu holds that position since he's at his prime right now & second would probably be Kong.

hmmm interesting. Akainu being the strongest. I don't think hes at his prime yet tho. But then he should be in his 30s so nvm. X_X

 

[Hexuze]

hmmm interesting. Akainu being the strongest. I don't think hes at his prime yet tho. But then he should be in his 30s so nvm. X_X

There's no age for reaching your prime but yeah you could be right though. (in terms of him not reaching his prime yet)

 

[KCN]

Yes, and but Whitebeard and Roger were only dealing with Sengoku/Garp who were below Kong at that time also. (taking into account Garp denied promotion). Now from what we know to control "high powered people" in one piece you need to be OP strong yourself. Those 5 geezers wouldn't be controlling the WG like that if they weren't stronger than the ones under them. Its like Chopper running the strawhats .

Garp/Roger seems to be like Smoker/Luffy, where Smoker keeps on chasing luffy. But that doesn't mean there aren't other stronger people than smoker who can take luffy on.

I mean Roger wasn't even the strongest pirate. (tied with whitebeard as i recall)

The celestial dragons have the admirals at their disposition. They're all fodder (except for DD but yeah). If I recall correctly also, Spandam was running CP9 despite being weaker all of them. That pretty much counters that point.

Smoker and Luffy is parallel to Garp/Roger but their skills aren't. Luffy's still a little kid who just made it into the new world. Roger conquered the grand line. Their strength at this point is acres apart, so yeah. Who's to say by the EoS Smoker won't be fleet admiral?

Which would still make him the strongest pirate, just tied with somebody else for that #1. Like I said, WB defeated an admiral (the navy's top fighters who are designated SPECIFICALLY to counter the extreme power of the Yonkou, along with the warlords) and Teach subsequent to his face being blown off and suffering heart attacks and having previous wounds/shots. Now imagine Prime WB, and scale that to Roger. Roger is clearly stronger than the Gorosei.

hmmm interesting. Akainu being the strongest. I don't think hes at his prime yet tho. But then he should be in his 30s so nvm. X_X

Akainu is 55 Lol I'm sure he's at his prime. Albeit he never showed solid Haki so he could of improved on that, just like pretty much everyone in OP.

 

[Bogard]

Garp was = to Roger. That is as strong as you can get.

Garp was weaker than Roger. The notion that he was equal to him because of a vague statement doesn't even remotely make sense at all when you take an overall perspective

 

[KCN]

Garp was weaker than Roger. The notion that he was equal to him because of a vague statement doesn't even remotely make sense at all when you take an overall perspective

It was said garp was only two men who could fight equally against Roger. It does make sense if you consider Garps rep; "hero of the marines" and all that.

 

[A v i]

It was said garp was only two men who could fight equally against Roger. It does make sense if you consider Garps rep; "hero of the marines" and all that.

If Garp was one of two people that could evenly match Roger then the statement of Whitebeard being the only man that can fight him equally would be pretty much useless. Besides, it was never stated that Garp evenly matched Roger. only statements that are associated with those two were the statement which says Garp cornered Roger and another one was from Roger which says they almost killed each other countless times. They suggest that Garp was strong enough to fight on par with him as someone can't come closer to being able to nearly kill another without being capable of fighting on par with him.

Garp wasn't Roger's equal but one of two people that can fight on par with him along with Whitebeard and the later was considered to be Roger's absolute equal so it's safe to say that Garp was slightly weaker than both. Otherwise the point of Whitebeard getting WSM title will remain unjustified. He was close but not an equal like Whitebeard.

 

[KCN]

If Garp was one of two people that could evenly match Roger then the statement of Whitebeard being the only man that can fight him equally would be pretty much useless. Besides, it was never stated that Garp evenly matched Roger. only statements that are associated with those two were the statement which says Garp cornered Roger and another one was from Roger which says they almost killed each other countless times. They suggest that Garp was strong enough to fight on par with him as someone can't come closer to being able to nearly kill another without being capable of fighting on par with him.

Garp wasn't Roger's equal but one of two people that can fight on par with him along with Whitebeard and the later was considered to be Roger's absolute equal so it's safe to say that Garp was slightly weaker than both. Otherwise the point of Whitebeard getting WSM title will remain unjustified. He was close but not an equal like Whitebeard.

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"the two of us nearly killed each other countless of times". Put two and two together.

 

[KingHashirama]

The celestial dragons have the admirals at their disposition. They're all fodder (except for DD but yeah). If I recall correctly also, Spandam was running CP9 despite being weaker all of them. That pretty much counters that point.

Smoker and Luffy is parallel to Garp/Roger but their skills aren't. Luffy's still a little kid who just made it into the new world. Roger conquered the grand line. Their strength at this point is acres apart, so yeah. Who's to say by the EoS Smoker won't be fleet admiral?

Which would still make him the strongest pirate, just tied with somebody else for that #1. Like I said, WB defeated an admiral (the navy's top fighters who are designated SPECIFICALLY to counter the extreme power of the Yonkou, along with the warlords) and Teach subsequent to his face being blown off and suffering heart attacks and having previous wounds/shots. Now imagine Prime WB, and scale that to Roger. Roger is clearly stronger than the Gorosei.

CD only have power due to the Gorousei. The moment Gorosei decide to turn on the CD, CD will be done for (unless they have some sort of a secret weapon). But they are nothing but royalties. And they don't really have the Admirals at their disposition, i don't know why you would even think that. An admiral due to the orders of the 5 at the top, go to them. But their orders do not come from the Celestials, but instead the WG. My point is still there .

Of course, by the end Smoker and Luffy will have skills on their level, but by the end I highly doubt smoker would be the strongest Marine (my prediction is Coby). He doesn't like pormotions either ;p, i see him stopping at VA like Garp.


No, "THE strongest" would mean nobody stronger, "one of the strongest" means 1 of 2 strongest pirates. << Which seems to be the case with him and WB. And also, that same admiral he beat is also now stronger than before.. And i doubt MF whitebeard would beat if a post-timeskip Akainu (though this is a big assumption) but assuming he grew in strength like other characters i would say he would beat him.

^^^ But there is one issue with you comparing the Admirals and WB.. and then claiming Roger and wB would be stronger than the 5 G. The issue is that even at Marineford, the strongest people on the marine's side were the 2 people who didn't participate in the battle (garp, Sengoku) unless you think the admirals were stronger than Garp and Sengoku. And if you believe they aren't stronger than Garp and Sengoku, then the whole admiral argument doesn't make sense. Also WB was the exception, had it been shanks instead of WB, i doubt Akainu would've lost like that. Had it been WB vs Garp, result would've been different.

Akainu is 55 Lol I'm sure he's at his prime. Albeit he never showed solid Haki so he could of improved on that, just like pretty much everyone in OP

HOLY SHITTT hes 55!?!!! bro. -faints-.

 

[A v i]

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"the two of us nearly killed each other countless of times". Put two and two together.

I have addressed that point. In order to be able to nearly kill someone you have to be strong enough to fight on par with him no need to be his absolute equal. If you're going to say Garp was as strong as Roger then how are you planning to justify Whitebeard being strongest man despite Garp being alive? And him being the only mad that can evenly match Roger? Put all of them together than you'll realize that Roger = Wb Slightly > Garp. For all we know Garp would have been stronger than Roger at one point just like how Smoker was stronger than Luffy in past and they might have tried to kill each other during that time. But later Gap was overtaken by Roger.

HOLY SHITTT hes 55!?!!! bro. -faints-.

Shanks is the youngest top tier in OP.

 

[KCN]

CD only have power due to the Gorousei. The moment Gorosei decide to turn on the CD, CD will be done for (unless they have some sort of a secret weapon). But they are nothing but royalties. And they don't really have the Admirals at their disposition, i don't know why you would even think that. An admiral due to the orders of the 5 at the top, go to them. But their orders do not come from the Celestials, but instead the WG. My point is still there .

Of course, by the end Smoker and Luffy will have skills on their level, but by the end I highly doubt smoker would be the strongest Marine (my prediction is Coby). He doesn't like pormotions either ;p, i see him stopping at VA like Garp.


No, "THE strongest" would mean nobody stronger, "one of the strongest" means 1 of 2 strongest pirates. << Which seems to be the case with him and WB. And also, that same admiral he beat is also now stronger than before.. And i doubt MF whitebeard would beat if a post-timeskip Akainu (though this is a big assumption) but assuming he grew in strength like other characters i would say he would beat him.

^^^ But there is one issue with you comparing the Admirals and WB.. and then claiming Roger and wB would be stronger than the 5 G. The issue is that even at Marineford, the strongest people on the marine's side were the 2 people who didn't participate in the battle (garp, Sengoku) unless you think the admirals were stronger than Garp and Sengoku. And if you believe they aren't stronger than Garp and Sengoku, then the whole admiral argument doesn't make sense. Also WB was the exception, had it been shanks instead of WB, i doubt Akainu would've lost like that. Had it been WB vs Garp, result would've been different.





HOLY SHITTT hes 55!?!!! bro. -faints-.

Well, Spandam was still the leader of cp9 despite being fodder. So that's an example of strength not equating position.

I agree.

You get my point though. They were equals so they're both considered the strongest of their time; lets not get into the trivial specifics. Akainu is probably stronger, though that's irrelevant when comparing him to a deathbed ridden WB. The difference was evident.

Doesn't matter. We know of Garp's strength based off hype alone and cameo feats (crushing 7 mountains with ease, breaking chinjao head, "hero of the marines", more or less = to roger (see earlier scan) etc..

Lol yeah. Even Kuzan is like 50.

 

[KCN]

I have addressed that point. In order to be able to nearly kill someone you have to be strong enough to fight on par with him no need to be his absolute equal. If you're going to say Garp was as strong as Roger then how are you planning to justify Whitebeard being strongest man despite Garp being alive? And him being the only mad that can evenly match Roger? Put all of them together than you'll realize that Roger = Wb Slightly > Garp. For all we know Garp would have been stronger than Roger at one point just like how Smoker was stronger than Luffy in past and they might have tried to kill each other during that time. But later Gap was overtaken by Roger.



Shanks is the youngest top tier in OP.

To nearly kil someone countless of times screams equals to me. If you fight someone and the tides change repeatedly, with Garp or Roger getting the upper hand on different occasions what does that tell you?

Not once did I say Garp was the strongest in the world. You're making the mistake of comparing WB and Garp, when i compared garp to roger. Styles makes fights, and we don't know the specifics on all their encounters. Besides at that point, they were both old men way out of their primes. Garp is a straigt brawler who relies on his physical attributes, which evidently worsen with age. A devil fruit remains a devil fruit, regardless of age. WB's power has longer lasting properties so trying to justify a reputation is useless when they're both out of their prime.