Sorry I took a while...RL just holds me down but ket's get to it.
As long as Konan uses Shikigami no mae, Tobirama's sword and suiton techs are useless so she doesn't have to react to his attacking speed. All she has to do is mentally react at the beginning of the fight to turn her body into paper and she's set.
Yes but unfortunately, Konan cannot hold this technique for an extended period of time. Rather, it uses chakra and once it drops,
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. Tobirama can outlast in a bad scenario meanwhile, Konan has nothing on him.
Putting in chakra takes time?
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, it's done instantly. "Chakra is instantly infused into scraps of paper, which then harden and sharpen."
This doesn't help in response to what I said when Konan naturally doesn't have the feats that suggest she can react to someone in this category of speed. Konan pulling out paper alone is a process which I showed.
- She has to actually turn her body into paper via the use of chakra. Her body then peels off.
Dance of the Shikigami* (式紙の術, Shikigami no Mai)
Ninjutsu, B-rank, Offensive, Supplementary, All ranges
User: Konan
Butterflies performing a bewitching dance A beautiful "paper art" with an ever-changing appearance
↓While the technique is invoked, all parts of her body start peeling off...
[picture of Konan's head unravelling into sheets of paper]
[picture of Konan's body unravelling into paper sheets]
↑Countless pieces of paper scatter, their shapes disappearing like an illusion...
[picture of Konan's paper sheets flying away and folding into origami butterflies]
→The many scattering and dancing pieces of paper, are folded into the shaped of butterflies, like origami. The fly away, leaving nothing behind but their lingering scent.
Confetti, dancing in the wind
By converting one's own body into countless small pieces of paper, they can move freely and have the ability to change form! It has many uses from reconnaissance to surprise attacks. Furthermore, the magical way the countless pieces of paper dance in mid-air, changing shape, gives them a fascinating charm.
[picture of Ryuusui's body covered in Konan's paper sheets, while Konan herself is partly reassembled and holding a paper spear]
←The enemy entangled in the paper looses all ability to move, allowing Konan to attack with a paper shaped into a weapon.
*Shikigami, when written as 式神, refer to a kind of spirit summoned to serve an Onmyouji (a kind of sorcerer). These spirits are often depicted as changing into small pieces of paper once harmed or finished with their task. In the name of this technique, the kanji for "god" (神, kami) has been replaced with the kanji for "paper" (紙), which is pronounced the same. This is likely done to emphasise the paper nature of Konan's shikigami and to point out the subtle difference between them and traditional shikigami.
- She uses that paper to fire off the created shaped shurikens in order to give them power after putting chakra into them.
You think this is all going to happen as a respone to Tobirama's thrown kunai? Not happening. Clearly seen at the top of this scan how Konan transforms...SFX and the quotes around her once she invokes the technique
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. Just as the databook states. I'm sure as hell Konan isn't pulling this off as a response to Tobirama's kunai but the next point would be in detail.
Konan
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which were strong enough to
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even though they were fired at an angle which means they have far more momentum than ordinarily thrown kunais. Then there is the fact that she was able to fire off paper tags
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so I'm not sure where you are getting the fact that a kunai thrown by Tobirama will somehow be too fast.
Not sure how one can call that instant. When:
- Konan was already gathering paper for her wings..Bottom panel
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- Clearly shown by looking at her wings that she had shaped and was already shaping the paper to strengthen it like the DB states. Shown in the first panel and when she raised her wings up to fire.
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Hence there's 0 reason for me to believe this would be done as a reaction to Tobirama's thrown kunai considering they both start in base. Especially when this could be his first move with intel and he's faster than her by miles. Plus the fact that you've only showed feats of a shaped paper being able to do damage. To shape a paper takes another stage into making it a complete shuriken with actual power.
The Kamui point:
- The paper bombs already existed around and close to Obito while she was in her paper state with already created paper containing chakra. Very different to Tobirama throwing a kunai towards her while she activates and brings this out. Especially when we've seen how fast people around his state of speed can act. Such as Minato being able to throw a Kunai at Madara shortly before he entered Senjutsu and this occurred while Kamui was taking place to warp Obito. Tobirama which is experienced and has shown his attack speed such as physically moving fast enough to tag Juubito 5 times is an indication of this. Minato even backed it up by saying
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. Tobirama throws a Kunai at/towards her and all these won't be happening as a reaction.
- She didn't need to alter the shape to make it stronger in that case. This paper that stick shouldn't be phasing a kunai if they aren't strong enough.
- Obito takes longer to warp himself than an individual according to the viz. We've already seen people being able to speak during all that period before he could finish warping someone which is faster to warp than himself
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If she can respond with projectiles without physically moving (against Jiraiya) or by physically moving her hand and moving a bunch of paper tags before Obito could kamui himself, she sure as hell can respond to Tobirama throwing a kunai before it gets too close. Konan can also use
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and diversionary tactics.
I know she can use clones but they get easily killed by Tobirama's clones if they even get the chance to come out. Addressed the rest in this post because there's 0 reasons for me to believe Konan of all people would be acting fast enough by doing all that in her base state against someone as fast as Tobirama from this distance
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First off, Tobirama can't simply finish Konan off with a sword slash or Suidanha. To kill her, Tobirama has to destroy her completely considering the fact that even though her own explosion
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of her
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, she still survived it and went on the offensive immediately afterwards. Cutting attacks can only cut in a 1D line segment so they can only cut a small percentage of Konan's paper unlike explosions, which means she survives countless slash attacks more easily than an explosion. Konan can function fine in a deformed ghostlike state so Tobirama's suiton isn't doing much either. She has no internal organs for Tobirama to pierce and kill her.
If Tobirama teleports her into the paper ocean, Konan can merge with it and since she controls the explosions, she'll only make the paper far from her go off.
Then he'll outlast here easily. Since she can't hold that forever. @Bold I don't think you understand it...Tobirama teleports her into it by teleporting her to his clone due to having access to her chakra. Tobirama then teleports there to be around her making sure he's safe..If not, read below.
Not to mention, Konan slaps
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and the entire thing explodes at once. Zero reason for me to believe some would explode and some wouldn't. That's how the technique works and that's the mechanics of this technique. Otherwise, I'm not sure why she would be talking about how much chakra the technique took from her when she could have just made strictly the side Obito was in explode to save her chakra. Besides I have multiple ways that would deal with this:
- If Konana slaps down to activate this technique, how would she do that when she merges with the paper? This was a procedure needed for it to be casted from what we saw. Nothing suggesting she can do it without this or she won't need to do it in the first place. Unless she shows she can do it without this.
A- This technique only explodes within a section of the sea..The middle part
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. If Tobirama throws his kunais far enough having them spread(he has clones than can assist by throwing theirs as well or spreading the previous ones thrown). He'll easily escape the middle section once it comes up by teleporting to another area of the sea outside the middle.
B- Let's even assume Konan is able to make some parts explode(Which hasn't even been shown), Tobirama with knowledge would create multiple clones beforehand and have them stand in different sections of that middle part. Obito could notice the paper bomb going off and then activate Izanagi
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. Tobirama notices this and his clones would have him teleport to them in order to be safe since the explosion in their area won't be going off and it would be noticed or even normal communications could be used to alert others regarding the section in which the paper bomb is going to go off in. Hence the clone would teleport Tobirama to safety once it's clear other parts are about to explode but not their side.
Lastly, this technique uses a massive amount of chakra and Konan drops and talks about it
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while her form deactivates. She gets killed straight after.
As for actually tagging Tobirama, Konan can camouflage a bunch of paper tag bombs and place them on the battlefield. The camouflage is so great that
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got fooled by it. When Tobirama steps on them, they'll explode and by the time he can tell what is happening by hearing the explosion, or feeling its vibrations, the damage will have already been done.
- Obito can't sense except while in his Juubi form. Tobirama on the other hand is a profound sensor and can tell position by simply touching the ground. Strategy becomes useless once he can sense chakra and also use that method as well to detect Konan paper chakra bombs. Added with his speed, he'll evade her attacks and kill Konan as the fight goes on.
The second scenario, Gojo kills her as soon as he teleport to her. She stands no chance of winning against such an individual sadly.
