Konan VS Tobirama

[Haizaki]

Tobirama throws a Kunai at Konan, teleports there and it she's finished. His versatility with the shadow clones should also gain him victory in the 2 scenarios.

Plus he can use Goshun Mawashi no Jutsu with his clone and it's a bad day for Konan since she has zero reactions feats that suggest she's able to compete physically against this dude. Definitely stomps in the first scenario..The second won't make a difference since she won't get that opportunity to cast that technique. Especially considering Obito had no intel beforehand..Tobirama would make a move before things go that far.

 

[RedRobin]

Tobirama throws a Kunai at Konan, teleports there and it she's finished. His versatility with the shadow clones should also gain him victory in the 2 scenarios.

Plus he can use Goshun Mawashi no Jutsu with his clone and it's a bad day for Konan since she has zero reactions feats that suggest she's able to compete physically against this dude. Definitely stomps in the first scenario..The second won't make a difference since she won't get that opportunity to cast that technique. Especially considering Obito had no intel beforehand..Tobirama would make a move before things go that far.

Is deflected by paper shuriken. Then?

 

[Apêx1]

Kakuzu has shown better katon. True that he has the heart for it, but it doesn't mean just because someone's primary affinity is a certain element, others having the same element as their secondary affinity is automatically weaker. Kakashi's primary affinity is Raiton, but his doton and suiton are top notch. He was matching Zabuza, someone with suiton affinity. Kakashi's suiton was blocking Kakuzu's wind/fire combo, even though water isn't his primary affinity.

No he hasn't. His stronger Katon's are enhanced by Futon, saying Zukkoku is more powerful then Itachi's Katon is completely fan-fic. Itachi's Katon vaporises the ground beneath it, Zukkoku has no effect on the ground beneath it. CM2 Katon is even stronger then that. Yes, Kakashi who is revered for being a ninjutsu master capable of 1000 jutsu and all 5 elements can do that. Until something gives Tobirama Katon/overall ninjutsu hype rather than just suiton hype, let alone hype at Kakashi's level, you have no point. That's like saying Hiruzen's 5 elements being beyond 99.999% of NV means Tobirama's Katon is likely to be top tier. It's an illogical deduction. That's his feat, same as Kakashi's ninjutsu mastery being his feat. Tobirama is NOWHERE in this equation.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

No he hasn't. His stronger Katon's are enhanced by Futon, saying Zukkoku is more powerful then Itachi's Katon is completely fan-fic. Itachi's Katon vaporises the ground beneath it, Zukkoku has no effect on the ground beneath it. CM2 Katon is even stronger then that.

Is this a joke? With kind of logic you could say that Itachi's Katon is superior then Gouka Mekkyaku

 

[Haizaki]

Is deflected by paper shuriken. Then?

Assuming she can even react to someone with such attacking speed...Not to mention with her own tool as a response? Because one:

1. She has to put chakra into them

Paper Shuriken (紙手裏剣, Kami Shuriken)
Ninjutsu, D-rank, Offensive, Mid- to long range (5+m)
User: Konan

Scraps of paper, sharpened with chakra become sky-splitting blades!!

A technique that consists of pouring one's chakra into a scrap of paper in a split second, hardening and sharpening it, so it can be used as a shuriken. Its sharpness is equal to that of a shuriken made of metal. The user can further increase the power of the shuriken by making it into certain shapes.

[picture of Konan drawing her Paper Shuriken]
→It's an emergency measure for when one's ninja tools have ran out, but if used by an expert, it becomes a powerful weapon!!

[picture of Konan throwing her Paper Shuriken]
←The accumulation of time and effort put into the paper raises the sharpness to the utmost limits.

It's either:
1. She has to bring out paper first (Middle :

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) and then actually put chakra into the paper Or 2. She puts chakra into them first, brings them out and then fires them off. 3. She has to manipulate it to a shape to make it stronger so it might even be strong enough to deflect the kunai.

She's going to do all that as a response Tobirama's thrown kunai? Not a chance. Plus Tobirama can create a clone and use diversions.

In regards to my last post, another thing I was thinking is the fact FTG enables one teleport connected chakra in some way. E.g Konan's paper containing her chakra and all. Naruto only touched Sasuke's skirt (

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) and Susanoo was teleported as well. Like how Minato teleported everyone because was in contact with Naruto's chakra which other's had (Middle panel:

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) . With intel on this, you think Konan has an effective way of killing this guy? If she attacks him with paper, he'll use it to his benefit since he'll teleport her and the paper to his clone as the paper is connected with her chakra and the clone would finish her off unexpectedly. That way, they'll kill here easily and it also means the paper ocean technique is useless as he'll just teleport her inside via the same clone or so since the paper used in it again contains Konan's chakra and it would be touching Tobirama's chakra enabling him to teleport her

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. At least from my knowledge of the mechanics of this jutsu.

 

[NarutoX28]

Who does Tobirama summon again?

IMO Konan wins this due to location.

Fighting over a ocean really makes Tobirama's abilities ineffective. Any kunai thrown will just end up deep down in the ocean becoming useless to tobirama.

Konan can levitate so if Tobirama wants to get to her he needs to throw a kunai towards her which she can easily deflect with a paper shuriken.

Also water isnt really putting konan down.

Except Water aids him in using more Powerful Suiton which can be a viable defense against Konan's ninjutsu.

I don't see how Konan can win this seeing as how Tobirama's reflexes were shown to be superior to KCM Minato's.

 

[Apêx1]

Is this a joke? With kind of logic you could say that Itachi's Katon is superior then Gouka Mekkyaku

You're right it only took an alliance to stop Madara's Suiton

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whereas Kakashi's own suiton could temporarily delay Kakuzu's FUTON+Kakton. Sickening logic bro. It literally burned a couple of trees, it has nothing that puts it at Itachi's level of Katon [

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] which literally destroys the ground it's on.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You're right it only took an alliance to stop Madara's Suiton

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No, it took an alliance because it had wide range. 1 Suiton wall alone was capable of blocking the Katon it could cover. Read the scan carefully. Kakuzu's Zukkoku covers more range or about that range of Madara's Katon here, and most definitely grows bigger then that Katon from that scan specifically.

whereas Kakashi's own suiton could temporarily delay Kakuzu's FUTON+Kakton. Sickening logic bro.

Any Suiton could do that. Not relevant. At the end of the day Suiton is not enough to take that combo. Yet alone if Kakuzu decided to use this as a form of Zukkoku. Terrible logic

It literally burned a couple of trees, it has nothing that puts it at Itachi's level of Katon [

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] which literally destroys the ground it's on.

Which goes back to what I said. With that logic Madara's Katon is inferior. Heck I could use that logic to Madara's Juubi Katon since that jutsu can't even destroy the ground.

 

[LuckyMan]

Tobirama mid difficulty both scenarios.

 

[Apêx1]

No, it took an alliance because it had wide range. 1 Suiton wall alone was capable of blocking the Katon it could cover. Read the scan carefully. Kakuzu's Zukkoku covers more range or about that range of Madara's Katon here, and most definitely grows bigger then that Katon from that scan specifically.

What??? Kakashi's Suiton was far smaller but still halted the Futon+Katon. The Suiton should've still overpowered the fire completely regardless, but it ended up stalemating despite being of equal size width and height wise. And lol at that logic, fanfic is fanfic. And again, I'm not sure why you keep mentioning AOE when AOE by itself isn't a good indicator of a Katon's power. Itachi's Katon has lesser AOE but the heat itself is far beyond that of Zukkoku, FACT.

Any Suiton could do that. Not relevant. At the end of the day Suiton is not enough to take that combo. Yet alone if Kakuzu decided to use this as a form of Zukkoku. Terrible logic

Exactly, hence Madara's Katon is that powerful.

Which goes back to what I said. With that logic Madara's Katon is inferior. Heck I could use that logic to Madara's Juubi Katon since that jutsu can't even destroy the ground.

But it takes on the characteristics of his other Katon's since the Katon's heat is determined by the user's skill and chakra potency. You're argument is illogical because you're not taking into account the underlying context. Amount of chakra increases size but nothing else. Kakuzu's attack has massive AOE because of chakra used, but it doesn't get the same heat that someone with better skill/far greater chakra potency uses. He couldn't even burn the trees down rofl, meanwhile Itachi vaporises the ground with his Katon. Clearly two different scales in terms of heat.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

That warm feeling when you get Allahu Akbar'd by your dead loved ones revived as mindless controlled zombies

#JustPeopleWhoGetMurderedByTobiramaThings

 

[Brother Numpsay]

What??? Kakashi's Suiton was far smaller but still halted the Futon+Katon. The Suiton should've still overpowered the fire completely regardless, but it ended up stalemating despite being of equal size width and height wise. And lol at that logic, fanfic is fanfic. And again, I'm not sure why you keep mentioning AOE when AOE by itself isn't a good indicator of a Katon's power. Itachi's Katon has lesser AOE but the heat itself is far beyond that of Zukkoku, FACT.

Lol no Kakashi' Suiton was the same as 1 person from the alliance, and of course the Suiton is going to halt flames since its suiton. Its a wall of Suiton only used as a wall. It did the job (as apply Edo Tobirama vs Hiruzen).

The only one making fanfic is you. Claiming because the effect that katon has, suppose to mean its superior then other Katon that doesn't do it. Cut the BS. Zukkoku was strictly said its priorities is to only burn.

If I were to use that shitty logic and claim the priorities of Fire Ball:
(Databook 1)

jutsu where the chakra kneaded inside the body is converted into fire, and expelled forward in a massive orb of roaring flame. The scope of the attack is altered by controlling the volume of chakra that is mustered. The blazes, released with a thunderous roar will engulf their target, and leave a crater on the ground's surface. That's how terrifying they are]

Automatically beats other Katon because of its priorities to do something different then other Katon, I would say Part 1 bell-training Genin Sasuke Katon is superior to most cats Katon here lol:

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Part 1 bell training Sasuke Katon>Hiruzen>Kakuzu

Exactly, hence Madara's Katon is that powerful.

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But it takes on the characteristics of his other Katon's since the Katon's heat is determined by the user's skill and chakra potency. You're argument is illogical because you're not taking into account the underlying context. Amount of chakra increases size but nothing else. Kakuzu's attack has massive AOE because of chakra used, but it doesn't get the same heat that someone with better skill/far greater chakra potency uses. He couldn't even burn the trees down rofl, meanwhile Itachi vaporises the ground with his Katon. Clearly two different scales in terms of heat.

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[Icelerate]

Assuming she can even react to someone with such attacking speed...Not to mention with her own tool as a response? Because one:

As long as Konan uses Shikigami no mae, Tobirama's sword and suiton techs are useless so she doesn't have to react to his attacking speed. All she has to do is mentally react at the beginning of the fight to turn her body into paper and she's set.

1. She has to put chakra into them

Putting in chakra takes time?

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, it's done instantly. "Chakra is instantly infused into scraps of paper, which then harden and sharpen."

It's either:
1. She has to bring out paper first (Middle :

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) and then actually put chakra into the paper Or 2. She puts chakra into them first, brings them out and then fires them off. 3. She has to manipulate it to a shape to make it stronger so it might even be strong enough to deflect the kunai.

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which were strong enough to

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even though they were fired at an angle which means they have far more momentum than ordinarily thrown kunais. Then there is the fact that she was able to fire off paper tags

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so I'm not sure where you are getting the fact that a kunai thrown by Tobirama will somehow be too fast.

She's going to do all that as a response Tobirama's thrown kunai? Not a chance. Plus Tobirama can create a clone and use diversions.

If she can respond with projectiles without physically moving (against Jiraiya) or by physically moving her hand and moving a bunch of paper tags before Obito could kamui himself, she sure as hell can respond to Tobirama throwing a kunai before it gets too close. Konan can also use

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and diversionary tactics.

In regards to my last post, another thing I was thinking is the fact FTG enables one teleport connected chakra in some way. E.g Konan's paper containing her chakra and all. Naruto only touched Sasuke's skirt (

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) and Susanoo was teleported as well. Like how Minato teleported everyone because was in contact with Naruto's chakra which other's had (Middle panel:

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) . With intel on this, you think Konan has an effective way of killing this guy? If she attacks him with paper, he'll use it to his benefit since he'll teleport her and the paper to his clone as the paper is connected with her chakra and the clone would finish her off unexpectedly. That way, they'll kill here easily and it also means the paper ocean technique is useless as he'll just teleport her inside via the same clone or so since the paper used in it again contains Konan's chakra and it would be touching Tobirama's chakra enabling him to teleport her

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. At least from my knowledge of the mechanics of this jutsu.

First off, Tobirama can't simply finish Konan off with a sword slash or Suidanha. To kill her, Tobirama has to destroy her completely considering the fact that even though her own explosion

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of her

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, she still survived it and went on the offensive immediately afterwards. Cutting attacks can only cut in a 1D line segment so they can only cut a small percentage of Konan's paper unlike explosions, which means she survives countless slash attacks more easily than an explosion. Konan can function fine in a deformed ghostlike state so Tobirama's suiton isn't doing much either. She has no internal organs for Tobirama to pierce and kill her. If Tobirama teleports her into the paper ocean, Konan can merge with it and since she controls the explosions, she'll only make the paper far from her go off.

As for actually tagging Tobirama, Konan can camouflage a bunch of paper tag bombs and place them on the battlefield. The camouflage is so great that

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got fooled by it. When Tobirama steps on them, they'll explode and by the time he can tell what is happening by hearing the explosion, or feeling its vibrations, the damage will have already been done.

 

[LuckyMan]

Temari beats Konan. That's all that matters.

 

[Beans2]

Temari beats Konan. That's all that matters.

No she doesn't.

 

[Haizaki]

Gonna respond when I get a good amount of time.

 

[LuckyMan]

No she doesn't.

She does. Konan sucks, she had months to prep against Tobi and still lost. What a girl.

 

[Beans2]

She does. Konan sucks, she had months to prep against Tobi and still lost. What a girl.

Wrong. She had 4 days prep.

 

[Lord Tywin]

No he hasn't. His stronger Katon's are enhanced by Futon, saying Zukkoku is more powerful then Itachi's Katon is completely fan-fic. Itachi's Katon vaporises the ground beneath it, Zukkoku has no effect on the ground beneath it. CM2 Katon is even stronger then that. Yes, Kakashi who is revered for being a ninjutsu master capable of 1000 jutsu and all 5 elements can do that. Until something gives Tobirama Katon/overall ninjutsu hype rather than just suiton hype, let alone hype at Kakashi's level, you have no point. That's like saying Hiruzen's 5 elements being beyond 99.999% of NV means Tobirama's Katon is likely to be top tier. It's an illogical deduction. That's his feat, same as Kakashi's ninjutsu mastery being his feat. Tobirama is NOWHERE in this equation.

Smh Kakuzu's katon is clearly stronger than Itachi's. You posted the scan yourself. Only a small part of the ground was busted, while Kakuzu's katon was turning trees to dust in an instant. A reason for Itachi's katon to damage the ground is it being condensed into a ball, rather than just being like a flamethrower, which is Kakuzu's katon. If Kakuzu condensed his katon to Itachi's size, his Katon would make a bigger crater on the ground. The fact that Tobirama is more intelligence and more of a genius would back it up. And a portion of my point flew right by your head. Just because someone's primary affinity is another person's secondary affinity, doesn't mean the one with primary affinity would overpower the other. Comes down to chakra levels and potency, which Tobirama is >>>the likes of Hebi Sasuke.

 

[Apêx1]

Lol no Kakashi' Suiton was the same as 1 person from the alliance, and of course the Suiton is going to halt flames since its suiton. Its a wall of Suiton only used as a wall. It did the job (as apply Edo Tobirama vs Hiruzen).

The only one making fanfic is you. Claiming because the effect that katon has, suppose to mean its superior then other Katon that doesn't do it. Cut the BS. Zukkoku was strictly said its priorities is to only burn.

If I were to use that shitty logic and claim the priorities of Fire Ball:
(Databook 1)


Automatically beats other Katon because of its priorities to do something different then other Katon, I would say Part 1 bell-training Genin Sasuke Katon is superior to most cats Katon here lol:

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Part 1 bell training Sasuke Katon>Hiruzen>Kakuzu



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Ok I didn't realise cild Sasuke shat on the ground too.

Smh Kakuzu's katon is clearly stronger than Itachi's. You posted the scan yourself. Only a small part of the ground was busted, while Kakuzu's katon was turning trees to dust in an instant. A reason for Itachi's katon to damage the ground is it being condensed into a ball, rather than just being like a flamethrower, which is Kakuzu's katon. If Kakuzu condensed his katon to Itachi's size, his Katon would make a bigger crater on the ground. The fact that Tobirama is more intelligence and more of a genius would back it up. And a portion of my point flew right by your head. Just because someone's primary affinity is another person's secondary affinity, doesn't mean the one with primary affinity would overpower the other. Comes down to chakra levels and potency, which Tobirama is >>>the likes of Hebi Sasuke.

Alright Kakuzu's Katon is stronger. But then again his Raiton is on the level of 2 Raikiri's, and all his elements are affinity's. So once again, I really don't understand how that can possibly apply to Tobirama. MIGHT Tobirama' Katon be stronger. Yes, it MIGHT. Can we make such an assertion? Fuk no, that's fan-fic. Since when tf was being smart suggest his ninjutsu is stronger. Your logic is approaching River levels. Comes down to skill, which Sasuke shits on Tobirama. Chakra potency> Sasuke??? LOL, good one. Either way, this is the last time I'l say it or I'll take it you concede, give evidence to support your claims.