KN6 Naruto vs SM Naruto

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Actually the only assumption I was making is gamakichi having the reaction feats to dodge a tbb when oro, and pain couldn't dodge and had to divert it , but that was on your behalf. Chakra arms through the floor can easily force him to jump.

Dodging the ball wasn't their problem. potential blast range is what they were worried about. Charge up is slow, not to mention Naruto being their to sense that kind of chakra built, which he doesnt need Naruto to see the obv.

Chakra arms forcing him to jump doesnt mean he has to jump all the way in the air not like side stepping exist.
6tails has a choice to use chakra arms and tbb, not at the same time.
 

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Dodging the ball wasn't their problem. potential blast range is what they were worried about.Charge up is slow, not to mention Naruto being their to sense that kind of chakra built, which he doesnt need Naruto to see the obv.

Chakra arms forcing him to jump doesnt mean he has to jump all the way in the air not like side stepping exist.
6tails has a choice to use chakra arms and tbb, not at the same time.

Oro said a direct hit is gonna kill him not the potential blast. So yeah, dodging the ball was the problem and it was somthing neither could do. Deva used BT to redirect it, got clipped by the "potential blast"and was knocked on his ass. Oro used Roshomon got clipped by "potential blast" and he too was knocked on his ass.

Side step? Yeahhhhh No.
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And I don't see why he can do both, tbb dosen't involve his hands.
 

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Pretty sure SM Naruto can dodge TBB via flight. People always forget he has a pseudo flight ability smh
 

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SM Naruto wins.
 

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Oro said a direct hit is gonna kill him not the potential blast.

Oro never said "direct". He stated this[ ]. Which is why he gain distance in the first place.

He didn't know what Naruto was going to do with that kind of chakra[ ]. Realized in MID SHOT[ ]

So yeah, dodging the ball was the problem and it was somthing neither could do.

Yea, If you read the scans incorrectly. And Deva was about to get shot point blank so using him doesn't support your claim either.


Deva used BT to redirect it, got clipped by the "potential blast"and was knocked on his ass. Oro used Roshomon got clipped by "potential blast" and he too was knocked on his ass.

Nice exaggeration for Deva[ ], plus the fact that Orochimaru was closer to the blast then when Deva redirecting it. These scenarios, not only exaggerated to prove your point, but neither are close to what Naruto and Gama can do in this situation.

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Um yes, Orochimaru had no problem here. Gama with better leaps does but, yet not to mention Naruto cuts it off with frs burst.

And I don't see why he can do both, tbb dosen't involve his hands.

No but chakra arms involve a high level of chakra control. So I dont see how you come to this conclusion despite each more coming out of a different rear.
 

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Oro never said "direct". He stated this[ ]. Which is why he gain distance in the first place.

He didn't know what Naruto was going to do with that kind of chakra[ ]. Realized in MID SHOT[ ]
so if he didn't know what naruto was doing how can he worry about a "potential blast" like you claimed? He saw the chakra ball and said if it hit him (not the blast, not the fallout) it's gonna kill him. It hitting him would be a direct hit.



Yea, If you read the scans incorrectly. And Deva was about to get shot point blank so using him doesn't support your claim either.
He used bansho tennin to change naruto's aim and still got clipped by tbb. Neither was able to dodge it.




Nice exaggeration for Deva[ ],
how is it an exaggeration when we see after the fact he's heavily damaged and missing part of his robe.
plus the fact that Orochimaru was closer to the blast then when Deva redirecting it.
no. He had 3 gates between him and the blast whereas deva was practically point blank.
These scenarios, not only exaggerated to prove your point, but neither are close to what Naruto and Gama can do in this situation
Nothing is being exaggerated, neither deva or oro could dodge completely, both still got clipped, and both were on their ass afterwards. It's a simple retelling of manga fact.



Um yes, Orochimaru had no problem here.
Oro couldn't escape, couldn't slow it down with shadow snakes, and had to use oral rebirth(Chakra costly ) but yeah no problems right? :|
Gama with better leaps does but, yet not to mention Naruto cuts it off with frs burst
Gama can't move across the land as quickly as oro, that's a snake specific thing. Hence why Naruto jumped above the juubi clones while sauce weaved through. And naruto's max frs is 3, if that's water it takes just to stop chakra arms he'll be outta chakra in no time. Whereas kn6 didn't even use tbb yet.



No but chakra arms involve a high level of chakra control.
not really Since the tails themselves are pure chakra constructs. Since they don't dissappear when he uses tbb(meaning he's still keeping them focused) I see no reason why chakra arms are out of the question, or in any way shape or form different.
So I dont see how you come to this conclusion despite each more coming out of a different rear.
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so if he didn't know what naruto was doing how can he worry about a "potential blast" like you claimed? He saw the chakra ball and said if it hit him (not the blast, not the fallout) it's gonna kill him. It hitting him would be a direct hit.

He witness highly concentrated chakra being compresses. When he ate it, he ask how this chakra is going to be release then. He understood and prepared a counter. Oro made the correct assumption to make 3 Rasomons. DB states:
The first gate takes the attack head-on, the second reduces the attack's power and the third disperses the pressure, causing all attacks that come in contact with it to lose their power before they can be effective.

If the ball was the only problem then he should assume to summon one to take it head on for him. But Orochimaru assume to create 2 more, which will reduce its attack power and assume the thrid will disperses the pressure cause from that attack he expected.


He used bansho tennin to change naruto's aim and still got clipped by tbb. Neither was able to dodge it.

It was point blank after fact he was just pushed from his own ST.



how is it an exaggeration when we see after the fact he's heavily damaged and missing part of his robe. no. He had 3 gates between him and the blast whereas deva was practically point blank.
Nothing is being exaggerated, neither deva or oro could dodge completely, both still got clipped, and both were on their ass afterwards. It's a simple retelling of manga fact.

If he was heavily damage he would have no be able to escape. Deva redirect the blast futher away from himself, then Orochimaru takeing the tbb head on, hiding behind gates. Both different scenario and taken out of context.


Oro couldn't escape, couldn't slow it down with shadow snakes, and had to use oral rebirth(Chakra costly ) but yeah no problems right? :|

It wasn't literal. The point is he escaped, Gama and Naruto can do better.

Gama can't move across the land as quickly as oro, that's a snake specific thing. Hence why Naruto jumped above the juubi clones while sauce weaved through. And naruto's max frs is 3, if that's water it takes just to stop chakra arms he'll be outta chakra in no time. Whereas kn6 didn't even use tbb yet.

Lol what? If his father can[ > ] then his son can by better leap feats.

Doesnt matter when Ma and Pa are here, so this limit doesnt mean anything.


not really Since the tails themselves are pure chakra constructs. Since they don't dissappear when he uses tbb(meaning he's still keeping them focused) I see no reason why chakra arms are out of the question, or in any way shape or form different.
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Ill just agree for the sake of the argument. It really doesnt change anything. Toad supports help keep KN6 busy until he either gets own by Pa an Ma or Naruto's cqc feats + frs
 

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He witness highly concentrated chakra being compresses.
and thats when he knew it hitting him would kill him. Yay or nay?
When he ate it, he ask how this chakra is going to be release then.
yeah because it's too dense for kn4 to move with it. Hence why he jumped back to begin with. U can't assume he jumped back to get away from blast radius while at the same time saying he knows not what kn4 is trying to do. It's either or.
He understood and prepared a counter.
After it got launched at him, as you said yourself. Can't play both sides here.
Oro made the correct assumption to make 3 Rasomons. DB states:
the roshomon hype is broken seeing as how oro still got clipped.


If the ball was the only problem then he should assume to summon one to take it head on for him. But Orochimaru assume to create 2 more, which will reduce its attack power and assume the thrid will disperses the pressure cause from that attack he expected.
so how does that predict or show proof of oro assuming that there was a potential blast radius? Because all 3 functions can still apply for a tbb that hasn't exploded.




It was point blank after fact he was just pushed from his own ST.
This dosen't negate what I said. Did he dodge?Yay or nay? Could he dodge? Yay or nay?






If he was heavily damage he would have no be able to escape.
He didn't escape. He got hit and his clothing was ripped to shreads.
Deva redirect the blast futher away from himself
still gout caught by the blast evident by his state after the fact, unless u can attribute it to something else.
then Orochimaru takeing the tbb head on, hiding behind gates. Both different scenario and taken out of context.
still got caught by the blast evident by his posistion after the fact. Both took steps to dodge, redirect and or block and both still got hit.




It wasn't literal. The point is he escaped, Gama and Naruto can do better.
when you take into consideration the methods he used no. He couldn't outrun them and attempted to stop them via snakes. He couldn't stop them and had to use oral rebirth. I don't see naruto fairing better when he dosen't have oral rebirth and you have him throwing frs just to stop it's advance. Not to mention that being kn4 and kn6 would automatically be two tails faster/superior to it.



Lol what? If his father can[ > ] then his son can by better leap feats.
since when was he touted to be better than that of his father? And in that very scan Bunta got hit. Bunta and the two other boss toads were already danced on by deva yet deva barley reacted to the likes of kn6 and was overpowered easily by kn6.

Doesnt matter when Ma and Pa are here, so this limit doesnt mean anything.
yeah his limit is still 3. Ma and Pa can gather natural energy for him but he still has to mix it with his own reserves unlike natural energy isn't unlimited.




Ill just agree for the sake of the argument. It really doesnt change anything.
so you feel.

Toad supports help keep KN6 busy
boss toads get murdered by kn6 rather quickly.
until he either gets own by Pa an Ma
I already told you why sound gen won't work.
or Naruto's cqc feats + frs
if kn6 could tank ST then frog fu isn't doing much, if raikiri and the grass cutter couldn't break v2 then rasengan isn't doing much. And this is all assuming just the act of summoning 5 toads (3 boss lvl, 2 elder) dosen't take out a good portion of his sm chakra to begin with( so he can throw frs to stop chakra arms) I've been giving you a lot of leeway to make an argument here. U should thank me.
 

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I can't see how SM Naruto can do anything here. This cloak is a perfect defense, easily blocking the Kusanagi blade, Raikiri and its own blast from the TBB. Physical contact burns the victim [ ] and he can create Bijuudamas. A single movement of his hand with only 4 tails already creates huge blasts [ ].

I doubt that the Rasenshuriken would put a single scratch on him, considering the cloak tanked the Raikiri and a TBB effortlessly.
 

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I can't see how SM Naruto can do anything here. This cloak is a perfect defense, easily blocking the Kusanagi blade, Raikiri and its own blast from the TBB. Physical contact burns the victim [ ] and he can create Bijuudamas. A single movement of his hand with only 4 tails already creates huge blasts [ ].

I doubt that the Rasenshuriken would put a single scratch on him, considering the cloak tanked the Raikiri and a TBB effortlessly.

Beautiful point till the bold..Though KN6 wins.
 

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and thats when he knew it hitting him would kill him. Yay or nay?

Yay

yeah because it's too dense for kn4 to move with it. Hence why he jumped back to begin with. U can't assume he jumped back to get away from blast radius while at the same time saying he knows not what kn4 is trying to do. It's either or. After it got launched at him, as you said yourself. Can't play both sides here.

If you read the chapter all the way through this is what happens:
1. kn4 charges up
2. Oro retreats/gains distance
3. kn4 eats it
4. oro questions it
5. kn4 fires
6. oro understood and respond

oro did not jump back because kn4 was too dense to fire it, so I have no idea what your talking about, nor did I ever implied that.

the roshomon hype is broken seeing as how oro still got clipped.

?? what hype? and how does it disprove my point?

so how does that predict or show proof of oro assuming that there was a potential blast radius? Because all 3 functions can still apply for a tbb that hasn't exploded.

@Underline: Your question the quote that literally answers it. But ask the question again?

@Bold: How? How does apply that Orochimaru knew that a single Rashomon can't take the attack head on, let alone summon another to reduce the attack's power, and knew a third will disperses the pressure from the attack if its just a "ball" with no potential blast?


This dosen't negate what I said. Did he dodge?Yay or nay? Could he dodge? Yay or nay?

Nay? Good thing SM and Gama can.


He didn't escape. He got hit and his clothing was ripped to shreads. still gout caught by the blast evident by his state after the fact, unless u can attribute it to something else.
still got caught by the blast evident by his posistion after the fact. Both took steps to dodge, redirect and or block and both still got hit.

When I said escape, I meant he had enough stamina to run away, when you implied that he was so damage to do anything else.



when you take into consideration the methods he used no. He couldn't outrun them and attempted to stop them via snakes. He couldn't stop them and had to use oral rebirth. I don't see naruto fairing better when he dosen't have oral rebirth and you have him throwing frs just to stop it's advance. Not to mention that being kn4 and kn6 would automatically be two tails faster/superior to it.

Naruto has far superior reflexes here so no he does better then what Orochimaru did, yet alone Kakashi and Guy. Having more tails doesn't mean Naruto can't react. Unless you think 6 tails is so superior to that of 3rd Raikage speed, Deva, and etc. Then no reacting to Kn6 will never be a problem.

And I also see no problem with gama, repelling the chakra hands with his weapon, if it ever gets close. Good thing is has excellent hops.

since when was he touted to be better than that of his father? And in that very scan Bunta got hit. Bunta and the two other boss toads were already danced on by deva yet deva barley reacted to the likes of kn6 and was overpowered easily by kn6.

@underline: unless you show me superior feats his son has accomplish then we can talk.
@bold: no he didn't. unless you circled what your talking about here. As he clearly dodge his own weapon thrown as a projectile.

Rest is irrelevant. As we talking about dodging a projectile you think can't be dodged.


yeah his limit is still 3. Ma and Pa can gather natural energy for him but he still has to mix it with his own reserves unlike natural energy isn't unlimited.

So? Doesn't change the fact that naruto gets charged and throws 3 more, and repeat the cycle, going back to SM. Do you see Jiraya needing to lose SM and needing to go back to, considering how much he sucks at ending it? Nope.


boss toads get murdered by kn6 rather quickly.

Only mention 3 and no they aren't. Not when SM is here, and their excellent feats for support.

I already told you why sound gen won't work.

Never use sound gen in my augment I use frog call. Even then that counter was weak, if you didnt get my sarcasm.

shockwaves do NOT carry same priorities as air currents

if kn6 could tank ST then frog fu isn't doing much, if raikiri and the grass cutter couldn't break v2 then rasengan isn't doing much.

Except non of these attacks focus on internal damage, so no it doesn't disprove anything and clearly gets heavenly damage internally from frog fu, considering sends shock waves through the body, as it did to Goku's body.

And this is all assuming just the act of summoning 5 toads (3 boss lvl, 2 elder) dosen't take out a good portion of his sm chakra to begin with( so he can throw frs to stop chakra arms) I've been giving you a lot of leeway to make an argument here. U should thank me.

Or you could read my arguments properly.
 
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glad we cleared that up.



[/QUOTE]If you read the chapter all the way through this is what happens:
1. kn4 charges up[/QUOTE] that's when oro knows it will kill him, that however isn't proof of a blast radius killing him(what you claimed he was worried about). Or or dosen't even know how he's gonna use it but knows it can kill, if it hits. Going against your claim of "worring about blast radius" which is an indirect hit.
2. Oro retreats/gains distance
3. kn4 eats it
4. oro questions it
He questions due to kn4's inability to move which would go along with what he did prior, it still however isn't proof of oro being knowledge of a blast radius. And it's more proof that oro expected it to be a close Rane attack proven by him backing up and him questioning his ability to move.
5. kn4 fires
6. oro understood and respond
with a shield cuz he's unable to dodge. And the shield didn't stop it fully.

oro did not jump back because kn4 was too dense to fire it, so I have no idea what your talking about, nor did I ever implied that.
ur implying that he jumped back due to blast radius when nothing leads to that. The distance he jumped back isn't far enough to escape and the shield he put up wasn't strong enough to block.



?? what hype? and how does it disprove my point?
causing all attacks that come in contact with it to lose their power before they can be effective
That hype. It was disproved cuz oro still took significant damage.



@Underline: Your question the quote that literally answers it. But ask the question again?
Because it dosen't answer it.

Roshomon 1: take the brunt of the ball.
Roshomon 2: reduced power of the ball.
Roshomon 3:disperse pressure of the the ball.

All 3 gates can apply to a non exploded tbb. Heck the 7 Roshomon hashi used against madara's tbb didn't make it explode until it ripped through all 7 crossed a river and exploded on the other side. We've already seen bee and Naruto use this method to rip through the barrier squads 33 layer barrier just by pushing a tbb through it.



@Bold: How? How does apply that Orochimaru knew that a single Rashomon can't take the attack head on, let alone summon another to reduce the attack's power, and knew a third will disperses the pressure from the attack if its just a "ball" with no potential blast?
above. And remember oro said that "ball" would kill him without knowing if had a potential blast to begin with.




Nay? Good thing SM and Gama can.
I already explained why they can't.




When I said escape, I meant he had enough stamina to run away, when you implied that he was so damage to do anything else.
after getting hit? Ok. As long as you admit he got hit.





Naruto has far superior reflexes here
kcm naruto with danger sensing was getting bopped by inferior v2 jins. V2 jins that don't even have the skeletal overlay. So he gets the same treatment deva got and oro got since kn6 Feat wise is superior to every other v2 jin.
so no he does better then what Orochimaru did, yet alone Kakashi and Guy.
the beasts kakashi and guy fought are inferior to kn6, the the beast oro fought is inferior to kn6.
Having more tails doesn't mean Naruto can't react. Unless you think 6 tails is so superior to that of 3rd Raikage speed, Deva, and etc.
Deva struggled with kn6, and third raikage isn't fast. In speed and hype. Dodai Did a feint right in front of his face all before he could do a standard chop. Fodder earth nin dropped earth walls before he could blitz them, and he was getting slapped by Temari's wind attacks. So yeah naruto is gonna struggle.
Then no reacting to Kn6 will never be a problem.
above.

And I also see no problem with gama, repelling the chakra hands with his weapon, if it ever gets close. Good thing is has excellent hops.
and when he jumps he gets tbb. Like I originally said.



@underline: unless you show me superior feats his son has accomplish then we can talk.
that's what I'm asking from you. You said his son is superior.
@bold: no he didn't. unless you circled what your talking about here. As he clearly dodge his own weapon thrown as a projectile.

Rest is irrelevant. As we talking about dodging a projectile you think can't be dodged.
I'll concede.




So? Doesn't change the fact that naruto gets charged and throws 3 more, and repeat the cycle, going back to SM.
that's because of shadow clones functions. When willingly dispelled by the user the chakra returns to the user(natural, physical,and spiritual). Hence him returning to sm. The toads on the other hand only gather natural energy and as such when his spiritual and physical run out he's out.
Do you see Jiraya needing to lose SM and needing to go back to, considering how much he sucks at ending it? Nope.
taking into consideration what jman did in sm he didn't burn his entire tank while in it. On the flipside we know 3 frs is naruto's entire tanks and the toads aren't giving him more physical and spiritual enegry.




Only mention 3 and no they aren't. Not when SM is here, and their excellent feats for support.
getting bopped and 1 shotted by deva? Much support. Such skill.



Never use sound gen in my augment I use frog call.
Same principle.
Even then that counter was weak, if you didnt get my sarcasm.

shockwaves do NOT carry same priorities as air currents
They're propagating through the same medium. Air. So a shock wave from his hands or chkara roar instantly overpowers it. Or did you not see the temari vs Tayuya fight.



Except non of these attacks focus on internal damage,
frog fu isn't gentle fist so no its not doing internal damage. And even for it to do internal damage it would still have to breach the cloak which it still cannot do since superior techs with better piercing properties failed.
so no it doesn't disprove anything and clearly gets heavenly damage internally from frog fu, considering sends shock waves through the body, as it did to Goku's body.
v2 jins have superior durability than full transformation. Raikiri couldn't break a V2 cloak yet killer be was getting stabbed by chakra stakes.



Or you could read my arguments properly.
I've been doing that since page 1 and they're weak as fck.
 

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that's when oro knows it will kill him, that however isn't proof of a blast radius killing him(what you claimed he was worried about). Or or dosen't even know how he's gonna use it but knows it can kill, if it hits. Going against your claim of "worring about blast radius" which is an indirect hit.

Read my arguments carefully. I didn't say oro knows the jutsu blast radius. I said he understood the potential blast concentrated energy can emitted.

He questions due to kn4's inability to move which would go along with what he did prior, it still however isn't proof of oro being knowledge of a blast radius. And it's more proof that oro expected it to be a close Rane attack proven by him backing up and him questioning his ability to move.
with a shield cuz he's unable to dodge. And the shield didn't stop it fully.

No thats not proper context reading. He move to gain distance from the attack, which K6 ate. He didn't understood why it needed to be eaten. When shot, he understood that throwing it up increases the speed of its launch, as to why he ate the ball in the first place.

Same thing happen to Naruto containing Kurama[ > > ]

ur implying that he jumped back due to blast radius when nothing leads to that. The distance he jumped back isn't far enough to escape and the shield he put up wasn't strong enough to block.

above. @bold, irrelevant that it partially failed or not.

That hype. It was disproved cuz oro still took significant damage.

irrelevant to the point I was making.

Because it dosen't answer it.

Roshomon 1: take the brunt of the ball.
Roshomon 2: reduced power of the ball.
Roshomon 3:disperse pressure of the the ball.

All 3 gates can apply to a non exploded tbb. Heck the 7 Roshomon hashi used against madara's tbb didn't make it explode until it ripped through all 7 crossed a river and exploded on the other side. We've already seen bee and Naruto use this method to rip through the barrier squads 33 layer barrier just by pushing a tbb through it.

Roseomon 3: answers everything. If it was just a ball, then Orochiarm should not be worried about it emitted some type of pressure from an aftershock the ball produces.

Your example for Hashirama is taken out of context. The context is Hashirama cannot catch or redirect a TBB due to blades. So he use Raseomon to change its trajectory instead. The TBB isn't going to explode unless the impact to where it land, can no LONGER travel, either. So Hashirama understood and only use it for that purpose, as he stated.

Naruto and Bee situation is irrelevant. None of them are being attack by TBB and none of them assume its gonna blow up on them.

above. And remember oro said that "ball" would kill him without knowing if had a potential blast to begin with.

Um yes he did know it had a potential blast, otherwise he wouldnt need to create Rasomon if he contains pressure that attack can emit.

I already explained why they can't.

Base on terrible reasoning.

after getting hit? Ok. As long as you admit he got hit.

Ok. Proves nothing. A shockwave from attack fired point blank, being redirected did that to him, against a wall. Thats nice to know.

kcm naruto with danger sensing was getting bopped by inferior v2 jins. V2 jins that don't even have the skeletal overlay. So he gets the same treatment deva got and oro got since kn6 Feat wise is superior to every other v2 jin.
the beasts kakashi and guy fought are inferior to kn6, the the beast oro fought is inferior to kn6.

Terrible examples Naruto was getting gang bang and along the fact that SM has better danger sensing, plus its faster. Fact.

Not to mention they have to multitask while Deva didn't, which he showed no problem keeping up with K6.

Deva struggled with kn6, and third raikage isn't fast. In speed and hype. Dodai Did a feint right in front of his face all before he could do a standard chop. Fodder earth nin dropped earth walls before he could blitz them, and he was getting slapped by Temari's wind attacks. So yeah naruto is gonna struggle.
above.

The only thing Deva struggled with was damaging K6. He easily react to him and also outran him, so no.

@Bold, is a good reason I should stop arguing with you. Making me argue just to argue at this point.

and when he jumps he gets tbb. Like I originally said.

hop doesnt automatically = jump as high as you can, not in my premise. I stated side stepping would suffice and added "repelling the hands with his weapon" while at it. I only use high jump when K6 actually attempt to fire a tbb at him, which will be the only reason to jump high.

that's what I'm asking from you. You said his son is superior.

In movement feats. His son hurled over an army of Juubi Minions at his size, and reached towards the Juubi's body(which size carries a radius of a exploding TBB). V2 TBB being smaller radius then full BM wouldn't be any harder.

that's because of shadow clones functions. When willingly dispelled by the user the chakra returns to the user(natural, physical,and spiritual). Hence him returning to sm. The toads on the other hand only gather natural energy and as such when his spiritual and physical run out he's out.
taking into consideration what jman did in sm he didn't burn his entire tank while in it. On the flipside we know 3 frs is naruto's entire tanks and the toads aren't giving him more physical and spiritual enegry.

... When you mix naternal every with your phyical and spitial you make "new chakra". Manga already explains this plus

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getting bopped and 1 shotted by deva? Much support. Such skill.

When was deva popping Ma and Pa in CQC? or war arc gamakichi?


Same principle.
They're propagating through the same medium. Air. So a shock wave from his hands or chkara roar instantly overpowers it. Or did you not see the temari vs Tayuya fight.

Yea they both use air and they both travel much differently too. If shockwave were to succeeded it would have to be continuous, since the energy travel from a shockwave is compressed and release faster then wind travel. It is also too fast to pick up sound and have it continuously separate it.

But lets say the shockwave interrupts Ma and Pa, as its the only way, its not like they are strategy that can be made to prevent this. Such as forming dust clouds, K6 losing track of their spot. Or even having him waste powerful shockwave swipe, until the next occur.

frog fu isn't gentle fist so no its not doing internal damage. And even for it to do internal damage it would still have to breach the cloak which it still cannot do since superior techs with better piercing properties failed.
v2 jins have superior durability than full transformation. Raikiri couldn't break a V2 cloak yet killer be was getting stabbed by chakra stakes.

Yes Frog fu has a fighting attack that does damage much like gentile fist, as I LITERALLY POST a SCAN of Naruto sending shockwave inside Goku's body to push out Path's stake from the inside. Lol how internal damage works. Breaching the cloak isn't a problem as all it takes to breach the cloak is to touch the cloak and sending shockwaves inside does the rest, so the organs gets damage instead of the protected cloak and skin itself.

I've been doing that since page 1 and they're weak as fck.

Ok.
 
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