KM Naruto Vs Hiruzen

Naruto(KM)>Hiruzen?

  • Yes, but no.

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  • dude, yeah.

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  • o_O

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ganjababy

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How is shino a match to god of shinobi? Dude just.. w/e-.-
lol man please stop saying that crap hiruzen is no god of shinobi, he is very weak and idk how he was chosen to become kage, he has done nothing great in the series and only weak ninjas like iruka acknowledge him and call him the strongest when clearly he is not

any one with a brain who reads the manga can see hiruzen is not the strongest hokage, not the strongest kage, not the strongest anything
 

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lol man please stop saying that crap hiruzen is no god of shinobi, he is very weak and idk how he was chosen to become kage, he has done nothing great in the series and only weak ninjas like iruka acknowledge him and call him the strongest when clearly he is not

any one with a brain who reads the manga can see hiruzen is not the strongest hokage, not the strongest kage, not the strongest anything
Dude, he took down Oro, Tobirama and Hashirama AT ONCE in the same battle. Used death god seal. Thats a feat Shino would not DREAM of be doing. Please.
 

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lol man please stop saying that crap hiruzen is no god of shinobi, he is very weak and idk how he was chosen to become kage, he has done nothing great in the series and only weak ninjas like iruka acknowledge him and call him the strongest when clearly he is not

any one with a brain who reads the manga can see hiruzen is not the strongest hokage, not the strongest kage, not the strongest anything
He was hailed god of shinobi.
 

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Dude, he took down Oro, Tobirama and Hashirama AT ONCE in the same battle. Used death god seal. Thats a feat Shino would not DREAM of be doing. Please.
lol, ur a funny guy, is that the same orochimaru who got paralyzed by a simple genjutsu from itachi? that weakling?

oh you talking about that stupid figth where orochimaru didnt fully master impure world and that was a pathetic display of what the 1st and 2nd hokage could actually do?

so let me get this straight you think hashirmama could defeat madara by doing wat he did against hiruzen?

wow son try again that fight was pathetic, hiruzen sucks and had to resort to killing himself to beat orochimaru

i bet tsuchikage would lose and he is older than hiruzen
 

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Hiruzen isn't overrated... Kishi hyped him up to be the the strongest kage....At old age he held his own against 2 kages, and enma commented his performance was horrible compared to his prime

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"Prime" Hiruzen was Stated to be the Strongest

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Iruka, Ch.94
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"The sandaime, in particular, was a genius nicknamed the 'Professor,' and was called the strongest of all the Hokage".

the Sandaime was the strongest.
Databook 1, Page 117
"???????"?????????????

The "Professor" the strongest Hokage in history.
Databook 1, Page 119
"????""??"??,???????????????????.

"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.
Originally Posted by Flunko:

DB2 Pg 84
Konohamaru paragraph:
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Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

In terms of being referred to the "most powerful" or "strongest", Kishimoto tends to use "??" (saikyou), which I have bolded in the above quotes.

the Sandaime Hogake still holds the title of "????" = saikyou rekidai = History's strongest
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"Prime" Hiruzen is stated to be the Strongest Hokage in the Manga, twice in the first "Naruto Hiden Rin no Sho Character Official Data Book", and in the Second "Naruto Hiden Rin no Sho Character Official Data Book". He also holds the title "God of Shinobi" which has its own implications about his strength vs the other Hokage.

Hiruzen is a Master of an Immeasurable Amount of Jutsu
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Viz Translation:

"You're the one nicknamed "Professor" because you knew and could perform all existing Konoha jutsu.......please don't disappoint me."
Originally Posted By NJT:

?? = able to use / perform

???????????????????
He not only knows but can also use/perform all the jutsu that exist within Konoha. (doesn't mean every jutsu ever created, just the ones that reside in Konoha)

In other words, if you were to add in "counter" that'd be adding a tad bit too much that isn't in there originally.
Originally Posted by ShounenSuki

Viz made a mistranslation. There is no mention of genjutsu specifically, just jutsu in general.

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"The Hokage-sama knows the fundamental principles of benevolence, justice, gratitude, wisdom, loyalty, faith, prudence, and filial piety."
"To begin with, he can easily use over a thousand techniques and... Eh?"

Orochimaru states that Hiruzen earned the title of "Professor" because at the the time he gained this title he knew of all the Jutsu that existed in the Leaf Village and could use them all proficiently. Ebisu also states that Hiruzen has mastered over 1,000 Jutsu. Even if you believe this to be a hyperbola, it still shows that Hiruzen has mastered a huge repertoire of Jutsu, possibly more than anyone else in the entire Manga.
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DB2 Pg 59
The deciding factor for life and death in the fight between the Sandaime and Orochimaru is ‘age.’ If only the third were 10 years younger, the outcome could have been different.
The Manga Stress that Hiruzen's age was hindering his abilities in his fight with Orochimaru countless times. Its implied that Hiruzen would usually use a Kage Bushin for any type of direct assault, but now he is so handicapped by age that using just 2 Kage Bushin is enough to shorten his lifespan. The manga indicates that Hiruzen Stamina/Chakra Supply is greatly handicapped by age and so is his physical capabilities. Holding Enma in polearm form has now become a daunting task for Hiruzen that strains his body greatly after only a few minutes of battle.

Finally the Author himself mentions in the second "Naruto Hiden Rin no Sho Character Official Data Book" that Orochimaru would have been killed by Hiruzen, if Hiruzen was only 10 years younger.

Old Hiruzen Was the Strongest of the 5 Kages
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Even when Hiruzen was Old and Handicapped by Age, Kabuto indicates that Hiruzen was still considered the strongest of the 5 Kages. Considering "A" and "Onoki" two very powerful Shinobi as we have seen in recent chapters were Kages at the time, this is very high praise.

One can also see why he would be considered the strongest, in the fact that he nearly defeated Orochimaru who had prep-time and knowledge going into the fight and the fact that he was able to seamlessly counter all the jutsu that Orochimaru, Tobirama, and Hashirama threw at him.

Conclusion
I believe that we should take the Authors words for it that "Prime" Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage until shown otherwise. This is not to say the other Hokage couldn't give him a run for his money, but he is ultimately indicated to be stronger than them.
 

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Orochimaru and Jiraiya both know the Five Pronged Seal Jutsu, and I have a hunch that Hiruzen taught it to them.

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It's a jutsu produces a powerful seal that is used to block or disturb the flow of chakra in a target which means goodbye Kyubi Mode.

If Naruto got hit with this it would be all over.
 

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Hiruzen isn't overrated... Kishi hyped him up to be the the strongest kage....At old age he held his own against 2 kages, and enma commented his performance was horrible compared to his prime

Credit:Yukon Cornelius
"Prime" Hiruzen was Stated to be the Strongest

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"Prime" Hiruzen is stated to be the Strongest Hokage in the Manga, twice in the first "Naruto Hiden Rin no Sho Character Official Data Book", and in the Second "Naruto Hiden Rin no Sho Character Official Data Book". He also holds the title "God of Shinobi" which has its own implications about his strength vs the other Hokage.

Hiruzen is a Master of an Immeasurable Amount of Jutsu
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Orochimaru states that Hiruzen earned the title of "Professor" because at the the time he gained this title he knew of all the Jutsu that existed in the Leaf Village and could use them all proficiently. Ebisu also states that Hiruzen has mastered over 1,000 Jutsu. Even if you believe this to be a hyperbola, it still shows that Hiruzen has mastered a huge repertoire of Jutsu, possibly more than anyone else in the entire Manga.
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The Manga Stress that Hiruzen's age was hindering his abilities in his fight with Orochimaru countless times. Its implied that Hiruzen would usually use a Kage Bushin for any type of direct assault, but now he is so handicapped by age that using just 2 Kage Bushin is enough to shorten his lifespan. The manga indicates that Hiruzen Stamina/Chakra Supply is greatly handicapped by age and so is his physical capabilities. Holding Enma in polearm form has now become a daunting task for Hiruzen that strains his body greatly after only a few minutes of battle.

Finally the Author himself mentions in the second "Naruto Hiden Rin no Sho Character Official Data Book" that Orochimaru would have been killed by Hiruzen, if Hiruzen was only 10 years younger.

Old Hiruzen Was the Strongest of the 5 Kages
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Even when Hiruzen was Old and Handicapped by Age, Kabuto indicates that Hiruzen was still considered the strongest of the 5 Kages. Considering "A" and "Onoki" two very powerful Shinobi as we have seen in recent chapters were Kages at the time, this is very high praise.

One can also see why he would be considered the strongest, in the fact that he nearly defeated Orochimaru who had prep-time and knowledge going into the fight and the fact that he was able to seamlessly counter all the jutsu that Orochimaru, Tobirama, and Hashirama threw at him.

Conclusion
I believe that we should take the Authors words for it that "Prime" Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage until shown otherwise. This is not to say the other Hokage couldn't give him a run for his money, but he is ultimately indicated to be stronger than them.
yawn, like i said weak recognize weak, i never heard anyone else call him god of shinobi, no one outside of orochimaru or iruka ever talks about this god, seems as if only orochimaru and iruka know that he is a god, LOL gtfo with that bs,
 

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looool hiruzen is beast, anyone that says other wise, has no right to be on here

but KM naruto would beat him, with little difficulty
 
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