[Discussion] Kizaru vs enel... be fair

[Punk Hazard]

The original op didn't say who would beat who it said who was stronger that's what we should have been discussing.

It's still Kizaru. Removing Haki doesn't change that at all.

 

[BusinessManTeno]

well stronger wise id give it to kizaru simply cause hes an admiral.. nothing more
no admiral have shown to be a disappointment

 

[thepuhu]

im the only one who vote for enel..

very sad

 

[HashiraMadara]

That would be like Smoker vs Ace, clashes until one tires cause there's no haki to stop the other

 

[straightup]

See post below,In the situation presented how does Kizaru even hurt Enel?



Fair point, I hadn't thought of that I was just assuming OP meant they take damage any time they're hit. Idk though.

Rereading the OP I think we all missed the point and it seems like it was my fault lol. The thread didn't actually say who would win it's who is stronger. Enel's fruit may just be the stronger fruit. I can't recall how strong Kizaru's light beams have been shown to be but I don't recall them cutting through much like a laser would. If Kizaru's lights can be as strong as lasers(which they should sense lasers are light) then Kizaru's stronger if not Enel's powers may be stronger despite Kizaru being stronger than Enel.

Well in film z(I know it's not cannon) I was really underwhelmed when kizaru bombarded z with those light orbs and they didn't even pierce z. All they really did was push him back. Obviously both have haki. But if your only thinking about the stronger fruit than consider if they had each others fruit, kizaru would be way stronger. So I think as a person kizaru is stronger but Enels fruit is stronger than kizarus. That's just my opinion

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

Kizaru, it's a common misconception that lightning travels at the speed of light. This would mean Kizaru is faster, he's an admiral so he should have high strength and endurance. That said I like Enel more.

Pretty much this... And I voted Kizaru before I saw the "no haki" bit, but I still stand by it

 

[chopstickchakra]

Well in film z(I know it's not cannon) I was really underwhelmed when kizaru bombarded z with those light orbs and they didn't even pierce z. All they really did was push him back. Obviously both have haki. But if your only thinking about the stronger fruit than consider if they had each others fruit, kizaru would be way stronger. So I think as a person kizaru is stronger but Enels fruit is stronger than kizarus. That's just my opinion

I agree from what we've seen of each DF the Gura Gura is stronger than the Pika Pika

 

[Punk Hazard]

Well in film z(I know it's not cannon) I was really underwhelmed when kizaru bombarded z with those light orbs and they didn't even pierce z. All they really did was push him back. Obviously both have haki. But if your only thinking about the stronger fruit than consider if they had each others fruit, kizaru would be way stronger. So I think as a person kizaru is stronger but Enels fruit is stronger than kizarus. That's just my opinion

I agree from what we've seen of each DF the Gura Gura is stronger than the Pika Pika

Kizaru's fruit not being highly destructive doesn't mean it's any less able to kill. Kizaru shooting you through the head is gonna kill you a helluva lot quicker than WB striking you with Quakes. Fruits like the Goro Goro no Mi and the Gura Gura no Mi may cause more destruction, but also consider that Enel struck complete fodder with his highly destructive fruit and they were just KOd with massive burns. Kizaru shooting those same people through the brain, throat, or heart is a guaranteed kill. They might have bigger booms, but Kizaru's is just as, if not more, effective in battle.

 

[Uzumaki Menma]

Kizaru is my fave admiral so he takes this low difficulty.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Kizaru's fruit not being highly destructive doesn't mean it's any less able to kill. Kizaru shooting you through the head is gonna kill you a helluva lot quicker than WB striking you with Quakes. Fruits like the Goro Goro no Mi and the Gura Gura no Mi may cause more destruction, but also consider that Enel struck complete fodder with his highly destructive fruit and they were just KOd with massive burns. Kizaru shooting those same people through the brain, throat, or heart is a guaranteed kill. They might have bigger booms, but Kizaru's is just as, if not more, effective in battle.

If you shoot someone through a fatal spot like the brain or heart it'll be fatal regardless if it's lightning or a laser. Had Enel focused his lightning into a single shot and shot it through a brain they way you're making Kizaru that person would die as well and on the flip side if Kizaru used his Pika Pika like Enel on the island do we have anything in the manga indicating it would do as much damage, so what does any of that have to do with your point?

You're all about feats and we've seen Gura Gura able to affect an entire island while we haven't seen Pika Pika affect an area like that. Granted his Admiral title implies he's strong enough to do so we've never seen it and as you love to bring up with no proof it's all speculation, plus his DF isn't the sole reason he reached Admiral so simply being Admiral doesn't necessarily = his fruit being island level.

Like I said before IF they are as strong as real world lasers than yes the Pika Pika is stronger but since they haven't been shown to be like that in the manga yet we can't say that. If Kizaru had used his light to cut off a limb or cut open a wall then maybe. Also Enel is weaker so it makes sense his df would be weaker as well, if the same person used each fruit which would be stronger is the question.

 

[Punk Hazard]

If you shoot someone through a fatal spot like the brain or heart it'll be fatal regardless if it's lightning or a laser. Had Enel focused his lightning into a single shot and shot it through a brain they way you're making Kizaru that person would die as well and on the flip side if Kizaru used his Pika Pika like Enel on the island do we have anything in the manga indicating it would do as much damage, so what does any of that have to do with your point?

Jesus Christ....

None of this contradicts what I said. I said that the method that Kizaru uses his fruit in makes it just as effective as more destructive fruits in battle because it has just as high a chance, if not higher, to cause fatalities. Your response to this is to say "Yeah, using this method means you can be highly fatal, what's your point?" Think on that for a second.

You're all about feats and we've seen Gura Gura able to affect an entire island while we haven't seen Pika Pika affect an area like that. Granted his Admiral title implies he's strong enough to do so we've never seen it and as you love to bring up with no proof it's all speculation, plus his DF isn't the sole reason he reached Admiral so simply being Admiral doesn't necessarily = his fruit being island level.

When did I say the Pika Pika no Mi could cause as much destruction as the Gura Gura no Mi? When did I say that the Pika Pika no Mi was island level?

Like I said before IF they are as strong as real world lasers than yes the Pika Pika is stronger but since they haven't been shown to be like that in the manga yet we can't say that. If Kizaru had used his light to cut off a limb or cut open a wall then maybe. Also Enel is weaker so it makes sense his df would be weaker as well, if the same person used each fruit which would be stronger is the question.

The point of my post was that stronger=/=better. The two posts I quoted were making it seem like like Pika was inferior to Goro because Goro was stronger, which isn't the case.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Jesus Christ....

None of this contradicts what I said. I said that the method that Kizaru uses his fruit in makes it just as effective as more destructive fruits in battle because it has just as high a chance, if not higher, to cause fatalities. Your response to this is to say "Yeah, using this method means you can be highly fatal, what's your point?" Think on that for a second.


When did I say the Pika Pika no Mi could cause as much destruction as the Gura Gura no Mi? When did I say that the Pika Pika no Mi was island level?



The point of my post was that stronger=/=better. The two posts I quoted were making it seem like like Pika was inferior to Goro because Goro was stronger, which isn't the case.

The question wasn't about which is stronger this method of A or that method of B it was which is stronger overall. This is exactly the kind of thing I mean when I mention you arguing your own points. The question wasn't can Kizaru use his DF more effectively than Enel to make it as dangerous, it's if Person A used the Pika then the Gura which could they do more damage with. The Gura can pierce through enemies the same way you described the Pika yet the Pika can't destroy vast areas like the Gura, therefor the Gura would be the stronger fruit solely on the fruit itself not the users style or mastery.

 

[jiraiya lives]

Kizaru wins even with the restrictions.

 

[bdm]

Without haki, can they even hit each other?

Remember back then luffy also did not have haki but he defeated enel.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Remember back then luffy also did not have haki but he defeated enel.

He had plot on his side, and Rubber beats Electricity. We have no idea how Light vs Electricity would go. Realistically, Kizaru can just run around looking for stuff that doesn't conduct electricity then beat Enel to death with it.